M I N U T E S
                                
      SELECT COMMITTEE ON CAPITAL FINANCING AND INVESTMENTS


State Capitol Building                               June 2, 1999
Room 204                                       Cheyenne, Wyoming


PRESENT:    Senators Hank Coe, Rae Lynn Job, April Brimmer  Kunz,
            Jayne Mockler and Robert Peck;

            Representatives  Jim  Anderson, Doug  Osborn,  Robert
            Tanner and Rick Tempest.
            
            Legislative   Service   Office:    Richard    Miller,
            Director.

            Others:  See Attachment A.

ABSENT:     Senator  Bill Hawks and Representatives  Mac  MacGraw
            and Louise Ryckman.


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The meeting convened at 9:05 a.m.  Senator Kunz moved and Senator
Mockler  seconded Representative Tempest be elected chairman  and
Senator  Coe  be  elected as vice chairman.   The  motion  passed
unanimously.  Senator Mockler moved and Senator Coe seconded  the
minutes from the December 1998 meeting of the Select Committee be
approved  as  distributed (see Attachment B).  The motion  passed
unanimously.

At  the  direction  of Chairman Tempest, Mr. Miller  provided  an
overview  of  the history of the Select Committee,  and  the  new
legislation  enacted making the Select Committee  permanent.   He
noted the contents of this new legislation were patterned closely
after  that  of  the Select Water Committee.   The  Select  Water
Committee  increased in membership from 10 to  12  members.   The
Select  Committee  on  Capital  Financing  and  Investments   was
established at a size of 10 members in the codified law, but in a
noncodified   provision   of   the   "feed   bill"   (legislative
appropriations bill) two additional members were designated.   It
was   suggested  the  Select  Committee  may  wish  to   consider
sponsoring  legislation in the next legislative session  formally
establishing  the Select Committee at 12 members.  The  materials
regarding the history of the Select Committee, the state statutes
and  constitutional  provisions related to  investment  of  state
funds,  and  the  overview  of state funds  to  be  invested  and
legislatively designated investments, were briefly  reviewed.   A
copy of the materials are on file at LSO.

Mr.  Miller  noted  the  existing statutes regarding  the  Select
Committee on Capital Financing and Investments require the  State
Loan and Investment Board to provide notice of its meetings and a
copy  of  its  minutes  to all members of the  Select  Committee.
Given the press of business since the adjournment of the Session,
that has not been accomplished.  Ms. Sharon Garland, staff of the
State  Loan and Investment Board, provided copies of the  minutes
and  Mr. Miller and Ms. Garland indicated on a monthly basis  LSO
will  be  provided  copies  of  the meeting  notice  and  meeting
minutes,  and  those  will automatically be  distributed  to  the
members  of  the  Select  Committee  on  Capital  Financing   and
Investments.  (Attachment B)

Ms.   Garland,  State  Treasurer  Cynthia  Lummis,  Deputy  State
Treasurer  Glenn Shaffer, and Russell Kuhns and Becky  Gratsinger
of   R.V.   Kuhns,  the  state's  investment  advisor,   made   a
presentation to the Select Committee.  Attachment C is a  May  3,
1999, version of the master investment policy and subpolicies for
the State of Wyoming.  Ms. Gratsinger provided an overview of the
various  components,  and stressed the key is  asset  allocation.
Specifically,  it  is  essential  the  policy  include   specific
provisions to determine the appropriate mix of equities and fixed
income   investments,  as  well  as  cash  or  cash  equivalents,
depending upon the objectives of the various account or  pool  of
funds being invested.

It  was  noted the investment policy is a fluid document that  is
constantly changing, as necessary, to respond to the needs of the
state's portfolio and good investment practice.

In response to questions from members of the Select Committee, it
was  noted R. V. Kuhns is under contract to the State of  Wyoming
for  a  fixed amount to serve as investment advisor.   Investment
managers receive fees based on the volume of assets they  manage,
and  receive  a  certain floating fee which is  competitive.   In
fact,  the  fees for the state's equity managers  are  less  than
those paid by the Retirement System for their equity managers.

In  response to questions from the Select Committee, it was noted
equity managers are limited to keeping not more than five percent
of  their  portfolio in cash.  It was noted there is  a  separate
allocation   that  is  separately  managed  for  cash   or   cash
equivalents.  As such, it is inappropriate for equity managers to
be  heavily  into  cash.   R.V. Kuhns distributed  Attachment  D,
entitled   "Spending  Policy  Review  for  the  State  Land   and
Investment  Board  presented to the Select Committee"  and  dated
June 2, 1999.

Mr. Kuhns provided an overview of the various classifications  of
investments.   He discussed the standard deviations  of  expected
rates of return.  It was noted there are varying degrees of  risk
with  each  investment category, the key is asset allocation  and
diversification of investments.

Ms.  Gratsinger reviewed Tab 2 of the handout.  It  was  stressed
the  state  had  policy choices to make.  It could  increase  its
return  on  investments,  but if it expended  all  that  rate  of
return,  the  value of the corpus would decline dramatically  and
that  level  of  revenue could not be sustained.  Similarly,  the
state  could  elect to "inflation proof" the corpus or  it  could
attempt  to  "inflation proof" the revenues  derived  from  state
investments.  All of those have consequences and choices have  to
be  made.   R.  V.  Kuhns  handed out Attachment  E,  a  document
entitled "Spending Policy Objectives and Discussion."  The  three
objectives  listed  were  dependent upon  the  state  adopting  a
"spending policy" with respect to its investments.

It  was  stressed  that spending policy in this  context  is  not
related  to the Legislature's decision to spend a certain  amount
of  money for certain public purposes.  Rather, it is a technical
term  related to trust investments or portfolio investments.   In
that  context, spending policy is determining the amount of total
return on the portfolio that will be available to be expended for
any  purpose  in  a  particular year.  There is  currently  a  25
percent  statutory limit on investments and equities.  The  state
currently  has about 9 percent of its permanent funds  in  equity
investments,  and  that will be increased  over  time  using  the
method  of  dollar cost averaging.  The rate of return  on  fixed
income investments has been decreasing in recent years.  As such,
it  is  important to move to some type of spending limitation  on
earnings,  including realized capital gains.  It was noted  there
is  essentially  a  "spending policy" in effect.   The  permanent
mineral  trust fund requires all earnings, including all realized
capital  gains, must be deposited in the general fund.   Once  in
the  general  fund they are profiled as available for expenditure
and, given the state's needs, are generally expended.  Similarly,
the  earnings, including realized capital gains from  investments
of  the common school account, are distributed to Wyoming schools
on  a monthly basis so these funds are not placed into the corpus
to "inflation proof" it.

State Treasurer Lummis stressed she supported the spending policy
and  had  a working group of people from a variety of backgrounds
working with her, including bankers, investment professionals and
other  interested persons.  She distributed a memo to the  Select
Committee  dated June 2, 1999 (Attachment F).  This  memo  states
her  goal  of  increasing the return on permanent  funds  by  one
percent  annually,  i.e.,  $26  million.   That  goal  has  three
components, and some statutory action is needed to achieve those.

In  discussing  the R.V. Kuhns presentation,  it  was  noted  the
permanent  funds  are a long-term investment with  an  investment
horizon of 50 to 100 years.  Inflation proofing the corpus  is  a
way to ensure the investments will be available for returns on  a
sustainable   basis  during  the  long  term.    It   was   noted
international  securities are tending to move more  and  more  in
correlation  with  U.S.  equities, though  it  is  certainly  not
identical.   After  extensive discussion,  the  Select  Committee
asked  that  R.V.  Kuhns  prepare several  additional  scenarios.
Those are:

ú     Compute the additional dollar amount that would have to  be
  added to the corpus of the permanent funds on a regular basis
to
  maintain  the  $266 million projected revenue  level  but  also
  inflation proof the portfolio.
ú     Determine  the  figure under which the portfolio  would  be
  inflation proofed, but the rate of return would also be
adjusted
  for  inflation  up  from the $266 million  level.   Under  this
  scenario, not only the corpus but the revenues available  would
  keep pace with inflation.
ú     Where along the continuum the returns would be if an amount
  equal  to the current mineral severance tax flow to the  budget
  reserve  account were placed into the corpus of  the  permanent
  mineral trust fund.  It was noted only that dollar amount would
  be used, and the Legislature would be free to direct monies
from
  a variety of sources if it sought to do so to inflation proof
the
  account.

The Select Committee discussed the possibility of future training
sessions  regarding  the  various  technical  components  of  the
investment policy and its implementation.

The  Select  Committee also received basic information  regarding
the  investment  managers.   There  are  currently  three  equity
managers,  two  of which are on board and one of  which  is  just
coming  on  board.   Each of them have various styles  and  funds
allocated  to them to be invested in accordance with that  style,
i.e.,  growth,  value,  enhanced core, etc.   In  response  to  a
question, R.V. Kuhns indicated it had no opinion on the propriety
of  the state borrowing to the issuance of lease revenue bonds to
finance the prison as opposed to paying cash.

R.V.  Kuhns  distributed  an  attachment  regarding  the  Wyoming
Retirement  System  allocation  (Attachment  G).   Recently   the
Retirement  System  was roughly 60 percent  in  equities  and  40
percent  in  fixed incomes, and the rate of return has  increased
significantly  in  recent  years.  It was  noted  the  Retirement
System  also  happens  to  be heavily invested  in  large  growth
companies,  which  have been the principal  participants  in  the
economic boom in equities.

Mr.  Eric Palen discussed the Family College Savings Program  and
provided an outline (see Attachment H).  Mr. Palen described  the
basic points of the outline, and some of the issues that need  to
be  addressed.   Mr.  Miller advised that the  law,  as  written,
technically requires the Select Committee to issue proposals  and
make   recommendations   to   the  State   Treasurer.    Informal
discussions  with  the  State  Treasurer  indicated   the   State
Treasurer  is  receptive to doing most  of  that  work  and  then
getting  input  from the Select Committee, as appropriate.   With
respect to rules and regulations, the Select Committee agreed the
State  Treasurer  would take the lead and ask  for  guidance  and
input from the Select Committee to ensure the law was complied.

Mr.  John  Reardon,  and  other representatives  of  the  Wyoming
Business Council, provided an attachment regarding potential  use
of industrial development bonds (see Attachment I).  It was noted
the  old allocations for legislatively designated investments and
industrial  development bonds were repealed and replaced  by  new
legislation  authorizing up to $35 million  in  those  industrial
development bonds.  There have been a number of in-state and out-
of-state  firms expressing interest in those bonds.  Mr.  Reardon
also  distributed a handout on capital formation and provided  an
overview  (see Attachment J).  He noted additional financing  was
needed to fill a niche of commercial gap business financing,  and
a  state small business investment corporation could leverage  up
to  an  additional  $30  million in SBA authority.   Mr.  Reardon
suggested some of the state's legislatively designated investment
capability  could  be  allocated through legislation  authorizing
investments  of this type.  He provided a brief overview  of  the
Challenge Loan Program and its limitations.  The enterprise  fund
approach  could  be  used with smaller firms, whereas  industrial
revenue bonds are generally used for larger firms.

The  Select  Committee agreed to schedule a meeting  sometime  in
August.   Since  there  is a competition  underway  for  the  new
contract for the investment advisor, it is necessary to  meet  to
determine  whether  R.V.  Kuhns or  some  other  entity  will  be
selected.  Once the selection process is complete, the successful
firm can be contacted about providing training.

It  was  noted the public purchase of tax exempt bonds under  the
new  legislation authorizing purchases up to $35 million in total
were  at  tax exempt rates.  The rate of return to the state  was
lower  than what could otherwise be earned.  However, this is  an
important economic development tool.

The Select Committee adjourned at approximately 3:00 p.m.

Respectfully submitted,



Representative Rick Tempest
Chairman

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