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JAC BUDGET HEARINGS 01/11/2006
#085 Wyoming
Business Council, #020 DEQ,#037 State Engineer
0 ~ 1/11/2006 8:06:00 AM ~ 8:00 A.M.
Wyoming Business Council
0 ~ 1/11/2006 8:06:00 AM ~ Start
Recording
27 ~ 1/11/2006 8:06:27 AM ~ Philp - want
to speak, sorry, rules to hear from
agency only.
58 ~ 1/11/2006 8:06:58 AM ~ Hines - 80
budgets to review, can't let everyone speak.
We are available to meet with different groups to hear your concerns.
1:43 ~ 1/11/2006 8:07:43 AM ~ Job - can we
introduce self and let know what issue is?
2:14 ~ 1/11/2006 8:08:14 AM ~ Philp -
sorry, appreciate your coming.
2:27 ~ 1/11/2006 8:08:27 AM ~ Tucker Fagan
- #085 overview Review exception requests
2:56 ~ 1/11/2006 8:08:56 AM ~ Fagan - 2
board members Gus Fleischli and Ted Ladd, Diane Shober Also ready to explain
900 series. Job is to give assistance throughout state. Earlier on could not sell development due to
infrastructure lack. 65% of all money
goes now to infrastructure development in communities. Proud of way WY does economic
development. Impacts small business -
world class assistance thru incubator at UW, etc. Small business grow, stay in state and get stronger. Demographics support progress.
7:35 ~ 1/11/2006 8:13:35 AM ~ Fagan - Gov.
Sullivan said he would match this program with any contiguous state, esp. Good staff each day trying to make things
better.
8:24 ~ 1/11/2006 8:14:24 AM ~ Nicholas 0900
series, both in Tourism and WBC money to advertise. Tell a little about.
9:12 ~ 1/11/2006 8:15:12 AM ~ Fagan - WBC
small portion of this
9:25 ~ 1/11/2006 8:15:25 AM ~ Diane Shober
- review of vendor ea. 3 years, went out for RFP nationwide, 3 were from WY,
evaluate and review proposals, cut to 6, Barnhart is a WY 2 person office
successful , becomes public after process.
WY gets 5% preference. WY does
not have large enough pool to do all advertising in state. Outreach TV, magazine, etc.
12:00 ~ 1/11/2006 8:18:00 AM ~ Nicholas -
how authorized big ticket?
12:36 ~ 1/11/2006 8:18:36 AM ~ Fagan - ECI
Firm w/international entree into national news media on both coasts. Measure of
WBC s/b to develop a database so any business can access information of ideas,
requirements, We can then show you what
is being done with money. Working
closely with Workforce Development to develop this.
16:45 ~ 1/11/2006 8:22:45 AM ~ Nicholas -
perios of expenditure?
16:57 ~ 1/11/2006 8:22:57 AM ~ Fagan -
biennium number
17:08 ~ 1/11/2006 8:23:08 AM ~ Philp - How
RFP that?
17:19 ~ 1/11/2006 8:23:19 AM ~ Fagan - did
not RFP this contract, allowed by statute,
17:53 ~ 1/11/2006 8:23:53 AM ~ Nicholas -
European enterprise?
18:39 ~ 1/11/2006 8:24:39 AM ~ Fagan - get
weekly invitations to represent WY in cities across world, not way to do it for
me to attend all. Need to have face to
face contact. Denver group. USEE with
specific knowledge of European. Robotics UW and Camp Guernsey, #3 company in
world on Robotics interested in WY.
Discretionary Funds - each Regional Director gets $15,000 to assist in
their communities.
22:31 ~ 1/11/2006 8:28:31 AM ~ Shober - WY
is in a regional marketing group to develop w/European. Log ons to WY website has been very
successful, receive packet of info.
24:20 ~ 1/11/2006 8:30:20 AM ~ Philp -
exception budget next
24:42 ~ 1/11/2006 8:30:42 AM ~ Fagan - p.
10, monies left from last year, request for existing schools & buildings to
convert for community use, 40 year plan.
26:12 ~ 1/11/2006 8:32:12 AM ~ Simpson -
community facilities - how many apps. on this
26:29 ~ 1/11/2006 8:32:29 AM ~ Fagan - 6
done, 2 more we are working, think there will be more. Rules were completed before end of last
legislative session, signed in Nov.
Application
27:33 ~ 1/11/2006 8:33:33 AM ~ Simpson -
School develop an interest in property?
If not paying operating revenues, loosen up? Impediment by statute?
28:19 ~ 1/11/2006 8:34:19 AM ~ Fagan - gotta
play by rules, so don't know if any
28:39 ~ 1/11/2006 8:34:39 AM ~ Steve Ellege
- school dist. cannot own facility, one instance, give up ownership so won't
apply to lose ownership for future development
29:32 ~ 1/11/2006 8:35:32 AM ~ Simpson -
pool in Powell 40 years old, cannot replace under statute. Should not limit community ability,
reasonable user fee, w/o
30:57 ~ 1/11/2006 8:36:57 AM ~ Ellege - park
a better place for a pool,
31:18 ~ 1/11/2006 8:37:18 AM ~ Fagan - close
relationship to Supreme Ct. decision that each school gets equal. If Powell gets this, does it impact all
other communities?
32:05 ~ 1/11/2006 8:38:05 AM ~ Hines - $7.5
m request + $7.5m on hand = $15m
32:38 ~ 1/11/2006 8:38:38 AM ~ Nicholas -
get a list of applicants, where they are, and list of grants?
32:57 ~ 1/11/2006 8:38:57 AM ~ Tucker - will
do that
33:26 ~ 1/11/2006 8:39:26 AM ~ Jorgensen -
go back to p.9-how do next 3 bienniums go, one time situations? Cutoff time?
34:03 ~ 1/11/2006 8:40:03 AM ~ Tucker - most
increase is in Business Ready Communities - needs will exist over several
years. Will see at some time in future
that State can back out,
35:32 ~ 1/11/2006 8:41:32 AM ~ Jorgensen -
how do we know when we are there?
36:36 ~ 1/11/2006 8:42:36 AM ~ Fagan - fear
that we won't have workforce, housing, education facilities, healthcare,
Riverton $1.5m request, if only infrastructure is addressed, we still won't
have adequate other social needs.
39:20 ~ 1/11/2006 8:45:20 AM ~ Jorgensen -
what will you show us the direction we should emphasize.
39:46 ~ 1/11/2006 8:45:46 AM ~ Fagan - show
examples, Shoshoni, e.g. jobs, capital investments by private companies. Things that would not have happened w/o
program. Other companies cited that
grew with one new company locating in communities. Starting to move.
41:33 ~ 1/11/2006 8:47:33 AM ~ Nicholas - p.
9 chart GFunds - loans?
42:08 ~ 1/11/2006 8:48:08 AM ~ Tucker-
challenge loans, state would not come after them - not true, we are after
them. Non-pmt. we send lawyers after
them. Collect just like banks, too
strict? Taxpayer money.
43:34 ~ 1/11/2006 8:49:34 AM ~ Job - lot of
programs, what are the gaps, what are missing needs of communities?
44:05 ~ 1/11/2006 8:50:05 AM ~ Fagan - child
care, spray parks, what is the best deal?
15 board members separate program for childcare. State Board gets recommendation from WBC and
makes decision.
45:52 ~ 1/11/2006 8:51:52 AM ~ Job - do we have statute too confining?
46:24 ~ 1/11/2006 8:52:24 AM ~ Fagan -
quoted statute, Legislative Branch could do new rules.
47:09 ~ 1/11/2006 8:53:09 AM ~ Job - have
communities, if they need facilities, can get help even with existing building?
47:40 ~ 1/11/2006 8:53:40 AM ~ Fagan - think
you have to have an existing building to convert under statute.
47:57 ~ 1/11/2006 8:53:57 AM ~ Case - limits
of what is infrastructure, infringe on private business, personal belief we get
into competition with private business, struggle with this. Legislature needs to define. Childcare is perfect example. People are doing childcare, should we
compete.
50:02 ~ 1/11/2006 8:56:02 AM ~ Fagan - must
do what statute says. Cannot compete
with private, must do 2 public hearings, explain plan. Doesn't make you feel so good. Easy job?
A tough one. Get the wheel moving and get out is proper role of govt. We will try to comport with law.
51:58 ~ 1/11/2006 8:57:58 AM ~ Case -
problem, create advocate, logroller?
WBC become advocates - airplane has no wings, but it is flying pretty
fast.
52:53 ~ 1/11/2006 8:58:53 AM ~ Fagan -
requires a thick skin legislator..
53:10 ~ 1/11/2006 8:59:10 AM ~ Fagan -
54:12 ~ 1/11/2006 9:00:12 AM ~ Simpson -
Infrastructure grants, Cody, $200,000 do you specifically track
55:23 ~ 1/11/2006 9:01:23 AM ~ Fagan - yes,
have each project documented.
55:55 ~ 1/11/2006 9:01:55 AM ~ Jorgensen -
priority 1 - requirement for matching funds?
56:49 ~ 1/11/2006 9:02:49 AM ~ Fagan will
get to this on p. 11
57:00 ~ 1/11/2006 9:03:00 AM ~ Jorgensen -
any loans in p. 10?
57:29 ~ 1/11/2006 9:03:29 AM ~ Fagan -
grants/loans real purpose is infrastructure where none exists. Small communities match 90/10 or 95/5
because they cannot meet 50% match. Community
College match good, coming together.
Gillete mayor, legislators here coming together to grow Campbell County
1:01:40 ~
1/11/2006 9:07:40 AM ~ Petersen - Workforce Development heard yesterday, if
Training Center is developed, will it be redundent to College, and can the
matching funds be raised/
1:02:31 ~
1/11/2006 9:08:31 AM ~ Fagan - college is the big pusher. Real synergy in Campbell Co. If Legislature signs bill, not a dime is
spent until entire $15m is raised. Need
highly skilled workforce, is coming together.
1:03:45 ~
1/11/2006 9:09:45 AM ~ Nicholas - Board gives grants, does it look at if county
is exercising maximum mil levy and help itself?
1:05:07 ~
1/11/2006 9:11:07 AM ~ Fagan - line item, WBC Board has discretion, not going
to overrule, will try to do what Legislator says. Optional sales tax is not in statute, but individual board member
has it in mind when they vote. Not
presently a criteria.
1:06:46 ~
1/11/2006 9:12:46 AM ~ Job - does Bd. consider when a project has failed a vote
of voters.
1:07:17 ~
1/11/2006 9:13:17 AM ~ Fagan - example?
Small state
1:07:30 ~
1/11/2006 9:13:30 AM ~ Job - from Rock Springs, failed vote of Rec. Center,
could R. S. come to WBC for grant?
1:08:10 ~
1/11/2006 9:14:10 AM ~ Fagan - must be a publicly owned, could do under
existing statute. Will look at Business
Plan, viability, all other factors. May
not be a deal breaker.
1:09:24 ~
1/11/2006 9:15:24 AM ~ Job - community college, FTE how count for the college
and how effect the college.
1:10:00 ~
1/11/2006 9:15:59 AM ~ Pause
1:10:00 ~
1/11/2006 9:33:07 AM ~ Resume
1:10:00 ~
1/11/2006 9:15:59 AM ~ Philp - take 10 minute break.
1:10:11 ~
1/11/2006 9:33:18 AM ~ Tucker Fagan- Another pt of #1- Wind River #2 - Match state & University salary
& fringe benefits for employees in the economic development outreach
programs managed by the University of WY
These people work hard, do good job, but don't get raises as others do. #3 - expansion of 6 individuals - regional
offices--these people are driving all over the state of WY, They do a great service. I need others to be able to cover the state
more adequately. If I lose one of our
staff in the region then it takes at least 6 mos. I really need to be able to grow this area.
1:19:02 ~
1/11/2006 9:42:09 AM ~ Warren - If we sunset areas would it be hard to hire
these individuals ?
1:20:00 ~
1/11/2006 9:43:07 AM ~ Fagan - Look at pg. 3 - This organization has no
authorized # of FTE's. We are all at
will employees. We tell the new hires
that they are not like other state employees.
1:22:09 ~
1/11/2006 9:45:16 AM ~ Anderson - no qualm w/any 6 that you have, but if we get
another I want one. Have you ever
thought of getting thinner in Cheyenne and putting more in field??
1:23:15 ~
1/11/2006 9:46:22 AM ~ Fagan - We have been operating very thin. If I lose some we'll be in trouble. We'll make it all work somehow.
1:27:34 ~
1/11/2006 9:50:41 AM ~ Job- Do you pay
the state when the university does work??
1:28:05 ~
1/11/2006 9:51:12 AM ~ Gern - We don't pay the university anything.
1:29:09 ~
1/11/2006 9:52:16 AM ~ Philp - Will the other university employees want to have
a raise also?
1:29:40 ~
1/11/2006 9:52:47 AM ~ Gern - I don't know.
1:30:40 ~
1/11/2006 9:53:47 AM ~ Jorgensen - what thoughts do you have about where they
are to be?
1:31:07 ~
1/11/2006 9:54:14 AM ~ Fagan- They need to be in the field not in the office.
1:32:40 ~
1/11/2006 9:55:47 AM ~ Fagan - Gov. denied the 6 full-time positions that we
are asking for. This is a face to face
- work with companies around the world.
#5, p. 15 - vehicles - We drive
all the time - #6 - Bill Gern's idea-
great idea - outreach coordinator - return of 73 X investment. Crazy Tucker says Board says that you need to ask for inc. funding to the research
products center --#7 - req. w/ $80K for bien --need to grow the economy like
this --state of wy had the most patents of any state in the US. #8 -I want better justification before
asking for expansion of employees.
1:41:56 ~
1/11/2006 10:05:03 AM ~ Warren - How do we prioritize?
1:42:11 ~
1/11/2006 10:05:18 AM ~ Fagan - Should we do these - we need for you to make
these decisions. We need to keep the
level of effort in these services.
1:44:13 ~
1/11/2006 10:07:20 AM ~ Hines - This is unusual to have these items in a
budget.
1:44:52 ~
1/11/2006 10:07:59 AM ~ Nicholas - I agree w/ Hines and we should move on.
1:45:39 ~
1/11/2006 10:08:46 AM ~ Case - Look at the cut line!!! Did gov approve funding #7? No.
1:46:19 ~
1/11/2006 10:09:26 AM ~ Fagan - I spoke to him about the board's decision. Gov denied
these.
1:47:14 ~
1/11/2006 10:10:22 AM ~ Fagan - I'm done w/ my exception items. The Tourism will give their exception budget
items.
1:48:07 ~
1/11/2006 10:11:14 AM ~ Shober - Tourism - Steady growth for WY - 71% was new money into WY Of 2 billion much went to local
governments. Take job very seriously
and it is showing. 1st order of
business - budget footnote that authorizes us in the WY government. Would you reauthorize through the next
bien?? Have given wording from before.
1:54:05 ~
1/11/2006 10:17:12 AM ~ Nicholas - would you like to have it in statute?? Then
you don't have to come back and ask every time.
1:54:51 ~
1/11/2006 10:17:58 AM ~ Nicholas - go to the interim to look at this
1:55:10 ~
1/11/2006 10:18:17 AM ~ Shober - Thanks for letting us to redesign our website
because it has really increased our users.
We have had 53% in users. #1
Online product manager - we need to have our website come to the forefront
. Need to have this full-time person to
stay ahead . #2 - If you are looking
for dude ranches, fly fishing, et c.
You have to buy these words for them to come up when you go into a
search engine. #3 - inc. advertising
& public relations - many changes
have taken place and we have to change too.
Are getting more of a per capita measure -- are they actually booking a
trip and coming to WY?? Core markets - need to layer - looking for diff. areas
of country that are coming back for repeat visits, etc. Total is $5.4 mil - 36th nation wide in tourism budget. For near areas- we are 12th in our budget
2:04:22 ~
1/11/2006 10:27:29 AM ~ Warren - Could you show a breakdown of how 4 mil is
going to be spent?
2:04:49 ~
1/11/2006 10:27:56 AM ~ Shober - I have it here and I'll leave it here as a
handout. #5 - work w/ DOT for turnout
and highway signage
2:09:44 ~
1/11/2006 10:32:52 AM ~ Case - Did you participate in Chief Washakie Trail
signage?
2:10:13 ~
1/11/2006 10:33:21 AM ~ Shober - I don't know what part we had.
2:10:51 ~
1/11/2006 10:33:58 AM ~ Case - I think that Washakie has been done, but there
is a Trail of Tears also .
2:11:32 ~
1/11/2006 10:34:39 AM ~ Shober - I'll check into that. Arapaho Bus. Council should be contact.
2:12:19 ~
1/11/2006 10:35:26 AM ~ Jones - Do you do these turnouts and work w/ DOT?
2:12:46 ~
1/11/2006 10:35:53 AM ~ Shober - We do work w/ DOT but there are some that are
stand alone. The stand alones are more
costly. #6 - International develop -
Other states are looking at this also.
#7 - CDS packaged w/ distribution of state highway maps - We have a
litte less than 500K maps each year. We
would like to have some CD's to go with them so they can have some commentary
as they travel.
2:17:50 ~
1/11/2006 10:40:57 AM ~ Jorgensen - There was another map. I don't think that
the CD is the way to go. The Rec. map I
think would be better.
2:19:28 ~
1/11/2006 10:42:35 AM ~ Shober - It is larger than the highway map and it is
more costly to produce. We want to
enhance the visitor's experience.
2:21:19 ~
1/11/2006 10:44:26 AM ~ Jorgensen - do believe in CD's as much
2:21:38 ~
1/11/2006 10:44:45 AM ~ Meuli - Will these be produced in-house?
2:22:56 ~
1/11/2006 10:46:03 AM ~ Shober - We put out an RFD for best cost. #9 - Reel Scout Film data Program -
2:24:30 ~
1/11/2006 10:47:37 AM ~ Case - Why don't we get paid for the WY images that
others want to use.??
2:24:59 ~
1/11/2006 10:48:06 AM ~ Shober - Not way we're going - some are public domain
On #9 - There are some that are being used now.
2:25:58 ~
1/11/2006 10:49:05 AM ~ Case - Even if we don't charge we should have some
credits.
2:26:36 ~
1/11/2006 10:49:43 AM ~ Berger - I would like to support this. Having been involved w/ film
production. This would be a more
effective way to do this.
2:27:51 ~
1/11/2006 10:50:58 AM ~ Meuli - is this one-time funding??
2:28:04 ~
1/11/2006 10:51:11 AM ~ Shober - This is on-going program. $6K for a year #9 - One time request - You authorized us to buy the Grunkemeyer
collection. We are ready to take
position of this now. Only 1 of 2
companies in US that happens to be in Laramie.
We are ready to put these in 2 storage units and the co. in Laramie will
view all of these and tell us what is classified as "viewable
clips". Grunkemeyer has different
types of media and we are going to get the co. in Laramie to digitize it .
2:35:35 ~
1/11/2006 10:58:42 AM ~ Case - Is this co. going to put this in best storage
way??
2:36:14 ~
1/11/2006 10:59:21 AM ~ Shober -This co. will do all of the cataloging,
storage, etc. Heritage museum will have
the originals.
2:37:45 ~
1/11/2006 11:00:52 AM ~ Hines - Are we paying for it and it giving away?
2:38:12 ~
1/11/2006 11:01:19 AM ~ Shober - This co. will catalog, fix breaks in old film,
store it, etc.
2:40:25 ~
1/11/2006 11:03:32 AM ~ Hines - This is giving the co. in Laramie 60% - why?
2:40:53 ~
1/11/2006 11:04:00 AM ~ Shober - Yes, but we get a lot back from them also and
first shot at using the clips, etc. #10
- Capital Facilities Req. - Req. for Welcome Centers at I-90 and South Dakota
and I-25 and the Colorado Border The
I-25 is not going to be built yet so we are not asking for that now. In Michigan when people stopped at welcome
centers they changed their intended behaviors so that we think this will be a
good move for us. We are working to
gain some property access at the SD border.
We are not purusing this until you have given the money.
2:47:47 ~
1/11/2006 11:10:54 AM ~ Hines - Want to thank you because I support these
centers. I was one of the ones that
have pushed along to see what could be available. Thank you for doing this.
2:48:55 ~
1/11/2006 11:12:02 AM ~ Shober - you are welcome and we will hopefully get it
going.
2:49:50 ~
1/11/2006 11:12:57 AM ~ Jorgensen - This is the way to go. It should be first class. I will support this and hopefully get some
others in other parts of the state. It
needs full service. Accessible and
visibility is prime.
2:51:28 ~
1/11/2006 11:14:35 AM ~ Shober - When we first started working w/DOT we had to
tell them if we wanted it to be 24 hrs.
Next year we will be back to ask for some other funds to operate this
facility. Just wanted to let you know.
2:55:01 ~
1/11/2006 11:18:08 AM ~ Simpson - Have you ever thought about buying out the
landowners for the billboards at the entrances to WY.
2:55:59 ~
1/11/2006 11:19:06 AM ~ Shober - That is not in our purview, but I agree w/
you.
2:56:35 ~
1/11/2006 11:19:42 AM ~ Case - What about the operating cost? You are not operating this yet.
2:57:07 ~ 1/11/2006
11:20:14 AM ~ Shober - You're right, but the bldg. maintenance will have to be
funded next yr. No operating costs will
need to be considered now.
3:00:03 ~
1/11/2006 11:23:10 AM ~ Petersen - Have any feel for # of people that stop at
Bear River Center?
3:00:49 ~
1/11/2006 11:23:56 AM ~ Shober - I will get that for you.
3:01:15 ~
1/11/2006 11:24:22 AM ~ Jorgensen - Are there any billboards on I-90 going into
SD? Can you assure that we not have any
after this is built.
3:02:33 ~
1/11/2006 11:25:41 AM ~ Hibbard - WY DOT - What dealing w/ in WY there are
regulations, but if landowners can call them commercial zones they can put up
billboards.
3:04:39 ~
1/11/2006 11:27:46 AM ~ Jorgensen - What we can say then is that it is a
Laramie CT. problem??
3:05:13 ~
1/11/2006 11:28:21 AM ~ Hibbard - Yes, they need to not zone it
commercial. W/ Lady Bird Johnson's, but
if it commercially zoned these people can get royalty also.
3:06:42 ~
1/11/2006 11:29:49 AM ~ Nicholas - two aspects of jurisdiction - state and
county.
3:08:06 ~
1/11/2006 11:31:13 AM ~ Jorgensen- Can we footnote this???
3:08:19 ~
1/11/2006 11:31:26 AM ~ Nicholas - We could zone it as such.
3:08:40 ~
1/11/2006 11:31:47 AM ~ Philp - Any other items about tourism budget?
3:08:57 ~
1/11/2006 11:32:04 AM ~ Shober - There is one more item on pg. 45 #11 - Film incentive and WY film contest -
There will be legistation by Rep. Berger and appropriation will be $2 mill, not
$2.6 per bien.
3:10:48 ~
1/11/2006 11:33:56 AM ~ Meuli - In bus. council budget did your board approve
all of the items or what.??
3:11:31 ~
1/11/2006 11:34:38 AM ~ Fagan - They approved 1-6 and the others they didn't.
My board and I talk about these things all year long. Not trying to hide anything.
3:14:05 ~
1/11/2006 11:37:12 AM ~ Philp - Lunch - and we'll take up DEQ at 1 p.m.
3:14:12 ~
1/11/2006 11:37:18 AM ~ Pause
3:14:12 ~
1/11/2006 1:02:51 PM ~ Resume
3:14:12 ~
1/11/2006 1:02:51 PM ~
3:14:16 ~
1/11/2006 1:02:55 PM ~ Philp - DEQ Director Corra
3:14:39 ~
1/11/2006 1:03:18 PM ~ Corra, directors here to support exceptions, use power
point for overview, requesting $7.6m, Handout #83 supports that DEQ employee
needs are changing, over 14,000 air quality sources in the state now. Asking
for significant head count this year,
also reviewing other corrections we are attempting. Strategic plan. Oil & Gas changes.
WYPDES means Wyoming Polutant Discharge Elimination System.
3:21:30 ~
1/11/2006 1:10:09 PM ~ Corra, manpower is not only concern, dealing with
pressure on system, p. 6 shows where we need to put people. 12 more for
enforcemtn/compliance, 4 monitoring. p. 7 highlights space rental , joint DEQ
study in SW Wyoming, water quality 3 requests to help write rules and regs. for
subdivisions. Not updated in 20 years, contract out leg work.
3:26:42 ~
1/11/2006 1:15:21 PM ~ Corra -Hazardous waste $5.2m is people, rest of request
in other.
3:27:58 ~
1/11/2006 1:16:37 PM ~ Anderson - when entertain questions? p. 7 Haz. waste will there be interplay
between proposed bill from Minerals Committee?
3:28:47 ~
1/11/2006 1:17:26 PM ~ Case requested list of acronyms used in report. Corra agreed to furnish.
3:29:08 ~
1/11/2006 1:17:47 PM ~ Corra - p. 9 Administration, $1,837K request total for
Spill Program Vehicle, Professional Dev., IT Support Supervisor, Travel and
Space. Need supervisor in IT.
3:32:49 ~
1/11/2006 1:21:28 PM ~ Hines - space rental - in office or in field?
3:33:17 ~
1/11/2006 1:21:55 PM ~ Corra - office space for permit writers will be in
Cheyenne and in Lander/Casper.
Inspectors use office as base station and they are out in field. Monitors spend a lot of time in office. IT will be in Cheyenne.
3:34:20 ~
1/11/2006 1:22:59 PM ~ Philp - spill vehicle how much usage/
3:34:32 ~
1/11/2006 1:23:11 PM ~ Uzzell - last
year had 400 spills, we responded to 130 that required response.
3:35:27 ~
1/11/2006 1:24:06 PM ~ Hines - if only
1 spill vehicle in Cheyenne, how do they respond in other areas in state?
3:35:57 ~
1/11/2006 1:24:36 PM ~ Uzzell - supplement with staff in other offices.
3:36:27 ~
1/11/2006 1:25:06 PM ~ Case - How charges come about. Lander, e.g.
3:36:54 ~
1/11/2006 1:25:33 PM ~ Uzzell - plan to co-locate, we do pay rent thru DEQ and
pd. to Training School.
3:37:32 ~
1/11/2006 1:26:11 PM ~ Case - is it ok to be at Training School?
3:37:47 ~
1/11/2006 1:26:26 PM ~ Corra - so far, like being together and remodeled facility.
3:38:26 ~
1/11/2006 1:27:05 PM ~ Case - paying higher rate because of additional head
count?
3:38:56 ~
1/11/2006 1:27:35 PM ~ Uzzell - asking for own space not shared space.
3:39:20 ~
1/11/2006 1:27:59 PM ~ Corra - air quality p. 19 Modeling used to show effect
of increased development in NE and SW corners of state. Requesting 2 in monitoring program to enter
data plus ensure the monitors are working correctly. Pinedale area, pristine
area, additional monitors installed, teamed with industry in area for 5 yrs.
Jonah Impact Study inadequate at first, DEQ to assist. $466K to people + NEPA
support
3:45:41 ~
1/11/2006 1:34:20 PM ~ Philp #6?
3:46:10 ~
1/11/2006 1:34:49 PM ~ Meuli - do you have to go thru CIO for these positions.
3:46:36 ~
1/11/2006 1:35:15 PM ~ Corra - CIO concerned with systems purchase, not so much
computer purchases. Trend is not declining in number of permits.
3:48:02 ~
1/11/2006 1:36:41 PM ~ Hines - Title V program, explain?
3:48:33 ~
1/11/2006 1:37:12 PM ~ Corra - explained
3:49:16 ~
1/11/2006 1:37:55 PM ~ Case - do you
share those monitors with other agencies, baseline communications?
3:49:40 ~ 1/11/2006
1:38:19 PM ~ Corra- yes, we do share with Forest Service, but not adjacent
states.
3:50:48 ~
1/11/2006 1:39:27 PM ~ Dan Olson explained monitoring, locating in Western part
of state which captures what is coming into state. Other states will be involved to solve their part of our problem
if found to be caused by another state.
3:52:09 ~
1/11/2006 1:40:48 PM ~ Anderson - mercury?
3:52:17 ~
1/11/2006 1:40:56 PM ~ Olson - mercury pollutant comes from fossil fuel
combustion, power plants, rule impacts.
WY has high level of power plants, but pollutant level is in process of
being brought down.
3:53:55 ~
1/11/2006 1:42:34 PM ~ Corra - Gillette water, nothing in budget to talk today.
3:54:17 ~
1/11/2006 1:42:56 PM ~ Simpson - water monitoring MT is monitoring water from
WY as WY is monitoring pollution coming in from UT, ID
3:55:33 ~
1/11/2006 1:44:12 PM ~ Corra - rivers around Cody & parks are among most
closely monitored rivers in west.
3:56:09 ~
1/11/2006 1:44:48 PM ~ Philp - raising fees, status?
3:56:22 ~
1/11/2006 1:45:01 PM ~ Corra - do have request for raising fees, on per ton
basis, raise fees to write permits.
Requirement to pay from fees.
Among lowest fees in nation.
Power plants will pay bigger portion due to output. Trona should not be affected.
3:58:28 ~
1/11/2006 1:47:07 PM ~ Philp - do part of fees go to monitoring oil & gas?
3:59:27 ~
1/11/2006 1:48:06 PM ~ Olson - fees based on output
4:00:30 ~
1/11/2006 1:49:09 PM ~ Olson - utility industry pays about 70% of fees, all
other types comprise 30%
4:01:18 ~
1/11/2006 1:49:57 PM ~ Corra - Oil & Gas should be used as part of modeling
process. Modeling is doing well for
all, not just oil & gas.
4:02:08 ~
1/11/2006 1:50:47 PM ~ Philp - requested history of fees and how derived.
4:02:31 ~
1/11/2006 1:51:10 PM ~ Job - Jonah field $166,000, financial partners as well
as property partners?
4:03:01 ~
1/11/2006 1:51:40 PM ~ Corra - yes, working on MOA - they will provide
considrable resources
4:03:55 ~
1/11/2006 1:52:34 PM ~ Job - $ real impact on fees in Trona
4:04:16 ~
1/11/2006 1:52:55 PM ~ Olson - increase by 40% based upon how much pollution
released per year. range could be
$40,000 - $120,000.
4:05:16 ~
1/11/2006 1:53:54 PM ~ Corra - could get real figures to you.
4:05:34 ~ 1/11/2006
1:54:13 PM ~ Simpson - how much lower are fees in adjacent states.
4:05:53 ~
1/11/2006 1:54:32 PM ~ Olson - Utah and CO given and other fees
referenced. Even with increases being
requested, still will be lower than most states nationally.
4:06:48 ~
1/11/2006 1:55:27 PM ~ Warren - provide some of other states for comparison.
4:07:30 ~
1/11/2006 1:56:09 PM ~ Corra - can do that.
4:07:38 ~
1/11/2006 1:56:17 PM ~ Philp - in rule making process?
4:07:57 ~
1/11/2006 1:56:36 PM ~ Corra - no, it is part of this exception request.
4:08:14 ~
1/11/2006 1:56:53 PM ~ Corra - Water Quality, p. 13 of Handout 83, p. 35 of
Budget book. Staff requirements to
handle increase activity, no easing in sight. DOD position to clean up old
military sites with contaminants, need to make permanent positon, fed. funds.
4:11:51 ~
1/11/2006 2:00:30 PM ~ Corra - Outfalls of water sources p. 35 budget. 2 additional employees help to maintain
level of effort
4:13:55 ~
1/11/2006 2:02:34 PM ~ Berger - is there sufficient staff in northwest WY
4:14:12 ~
1/11/2006 2:02:51 PM ~ Corra - could always say we need more, but I think it is
adequate. Mr. Wagner's group does an
excellent job.
4:15:21 ~
1/11/2006 2:04:00 PM ~ Wagner - Coal Bed Methane now comprises large part of
our work.
4:15:52 ~
1/11/2006 2:04:31 PM ~ Anderson - 2 uranium mines we support in our dist. Large interest in increasing, not all
operators are responsible. How do you
anticipate handling this?
4:17:03 ~
1/11/2006 2:05:42 PM ~ Chancellor, land quality - bonds held on companies, not
inspect every hole they drill, increased activity, but not yet too large for
present staff.
4:18:17 ~
1/11/2006 2:06:56 PM ~ Corra - well aware
4:18:38 ~
1/11/2006 2:07:17 PM ~ Nicholas - p. 49 positions denied, have adequate help?
4:19:29 ~
1/11/2006 2:08:08 PM ~ Wagner - don't have adequate clericals, want to make
permanent those temp positions
4:20:20 ~
1/11/2006 2:08:59 PM ~ Nicholas want to use FTE to fund temp?
4:20:29 ~
1/11/2006 2:09:08 PM ~
4:20:51 ~
1/11/2006 2:09:30 PM ~ Corra - yes, IT process may eliminate need for all
positions, never be fully staffed, so we can use some of these vacant positions
to pay clerical staff.
4:21:59 ~
1/11/2006 2:10:37 PM ~ Nicholas - what if we add a position but don't change
standard budget?
4:22:22 ~
1/11/2006 2:11:01 PM ~ Corra - could overspend budget, goal is to be fully
staffed, may need staff in other areas.
4:23:22 ~
1/11/2006 2:12:01 PM ~ Nicholas - using temps, paying from vacant positions?
4:24:07 ~
1/11/2006 2:12:46 PM ~ Corra - yes, this is only area that does this.
4:24:30 ~
1/11/2006 2:13:09 PM ~ Simpson -
4:24:41 ~
1/11/2006 2:13:20 PM ~ Philp - Baggs/Muddy Creek would require $200K study
& could net $1b to state.
4:25:17 ~
1/11/2006 2:13:56 PM ~ Corra - continued struggle to balance coal bed methane water discharge. Reinjection of water, work with industry to
find other methods of handling this water.
If we get $, we will send out for proposals to make lemonade out of a
lemon.
4:27:06 ~
1/11/2006 2:15:45 PM ~ Philp - far enough along to use appropriation?
4:27:34 ~
1/11/2006 2:16:13 PM ~ Corra - could put to good use.
4:27:44 ~
1/11/2006 2:16:23 PM ~ Simpson - Powder River water?
4:28:10 ~
1/11/2006 2:16:49 PM ~ Corra - quantiy of water is more, quality is worse,
evaporation, MT Board of Environmental Review could change how to regulate
& permit agency. Surface topography
is changing, so large storage reservoir sites are fewer, different forces
coming to bear. G&F concerned about
fish.
4:29:58 ~
1/11/2006 2:18:37 PM ~ Simpson - where does that leave you to deal with those
issues.
4:30:24 ~
1/11/2006 2:19:03 PM ~ Wagner - referenced charts on p. 12 of handout. Asking for water/wastewater engineers
4:31:28 ~
1/11/2006 2:20:07 PM ~ Corra - look at what is coming going forward, watershed
permitting requirements and request staffing.
4:32:17 ~
1/11/2006 2:20:56 PM ~ Simpson -
4:32:29 ~
1/11/2006 2:21:08 PM ~ Wagner - can't pour out on ground, they must treat it.
4:32:45 ~
1/11/2006 2:21:24 PM ~ Hines - simple to set up, use type everywhere ?
4:33:34 ~
1/11/2006 2:22:13 PM ~ Wagner - will use cheapest pilot plants. More sophisticated plants are expensive.
4:34:04 ~
1/11/2006 2:22:43 PM ~ Case - way to produce methane without
4:34:22 ~
1/11/2006 2:23:01 PM ~ Wagner - Senator Jennings suggested system not having to
pump water. If it works that is great.
4:35:34 ~
1/11/2006 2:24:13 PM ~ Corra, p. 60 of budget requests 1 additional person,
more activity also on coal side.
4:36:37 ~
1/11/2006 2:25:16 PM ~ Hines - we have added staff for CBM, did any go to DEQ
or elsewhere?
4:37:12 ~
1/11/2006 2:25:51 PM ~ Corra - have added staff after task force. Not related to State Engineer.
4:37:56 ~
1/11/2006 2:26:35 PM ~ Hines - how many?
4:38:05 ~
1/11/2006 2:26:44 PM ~ Corra will get answer for you.
4:38:18 ~
1/11/2006 2:26:56 PM ~ Philp - further ?s
4:38:33 ~
1/11/2006 2:27:11 PM ~ Corra - Industrial Siting - no new requests, 2
staff. Maintain.
4:39:02 ~
1/11/2006 2:27:41 PM ~ Hines - shift in funding from dederal to state. Reduce?
4:39:25 ~
1/11/2006 2:28:04 PM ~ Corra - amt. of FF stays pretty constant, but costs to
run program rise. Shift funds to cover.
4:40:01 ~
1/11/2006 2:28:40 PM ~ Simpson - Industrial Siting of large industrial
facilities. We don't use same analysis,
must be better way to determine impact.
Expand to impacts in cities and counties. Appropriate function to DEQ.
4:41:36 ~
1/11/2006 2:30:15 PM ~ Corra - would be good function. Currently do not. Currently $150m threshhold, so large power plants always fall
within this. Small projects are having
a significant impact on communities, but they do not fall within scope. We would be happy if Legislature expands.
4:43:41 ~
1/11/2006 2:32:20 PM ~ Corra - p. 75 SHWD Solid & Hazardous Waste - good
program, more complex and more sites.
Staff ability to perform a
timely inspection has dropped - asking 4 people
4:46:16 ~
1/11/2006 2:34:55 PM ~ Mr. Finley, Director of HW division
4:46:33 ~
1/11/2006 2:35:12 PM ~ Philp-how long to fill 7 senior specialized positons if
get?
4:47:16 ~
1/11/2006 2:35:55 PM ~ Corra - fairly long time, we are not competitive with
other parts of state. Example given of
$28,000 employee, left after 1 year for $60,000.
4:48:23 ~
1/11/2006 2:37:02 PM ~ Finley - large effort, but WY is in good fiscal position
to recruit from states with less $.
Trying to recruit across agency.
4:49:17 ~
1/11/2006 2:37:56 PM ~ Case - last year bill for landfills, newly resurrected
with changes, how effect?
4:49:53 ~
1/11/2006 2:38:32 PM ~ Finley - bill was withdrawn, whole banana to clean up
leaking landfills. Joint Minerals
Committee is sponsoring a bill to address in smaller increments and includes
installing monitoring wells around existing landfills. 2 staff authorizations are in bill. We need this bill even if the bill does
pass.
4:52:13 ~
1/11/2006 2:40:52 PM ~ Corra - AML pg. 89,no exception request.
4:53:02 ~
1/11/2006 2:41:41 PM ~ Philp balance Washington DC
4:53:20 ~
1/11/2006 2:41:59 PM ~ Corra $150m unpaid bal.
4:53:40 ~
1/11/2006 2:42:19 PM ~ Green - abandoned land mine lands awaiting reclamation,
$200 - 250m of Priority 1 & 2 sites with impact to health. Could add another $600m if do all.
4:55:04 ~
1/11/2006 2:43:43 PM ~ Hines example of sites?
4:55:13 ~ 1/11/2006
2:43:52 PM ~ Green - historic coal, mines, subsidence problems, others named.
4:56:39 ~
1/11/2006 2:45:18 PM ~ Corra - set asides from FF to deal with unknown events
that deal with abandoned mines.
4:57:10 ~
1/11/2006 2:45:49 PM ~ Berger -who would need insurance?
4:57:27 ~
1/11/2006 2:46:06 PM ~ Green - 200 policies, $80m in Rock Springs area 90% of
insured structures are residential.
4:58:13 ~
1/11/2006 2:46:52 PM ~ Anderson - Rep. Berger can talk about Glenrock example.
4:58:41 ~
1/11/2006 2:47:20 PM ~ Simpson - what constitutes abandoned mines.
4:58:55 ~
1/11/2006 2:47:34 PM ~ Green - no party who can be held accountable for
damages, must have been disturbed before 1976.
5:00:00 ~
1/11/2006 2:48:38 PM ~ Simpson - offset costs?
5:00:12 ~ 1/11/2006
2:48:51 PM ~ Green
5:00:17 ~
1/11/2006 2:48:56 PM ~ Simpson - ever identify responsible party?
5:00:30 ~
1/11/2006 2:49:09 PM ~ Green, must make a determination that there is no
responsible party.
5:00:52 ~
1/11/2006 2:49:31 PM ~ Hines - asking for $3.4m, interest from account?
5:01:16 ~
1/11/2006 2:49:54 PM ~ Green - each AML depts. 6 month extentions, we set $
aside in case we don't get $.
5:02:06 ~
1/11/2006 2:50:45 PM ~ Hines - limitation on size fund can go?
5:02:27 ~
1/11/2006 2:51:06 PM ~ Green - restricted to 10% of project, no cap of total in
fund.
5:03:41 ~
1/11/2006 2:52:20 PM ~ Corra 900 Series
5:03:52 ~
1/11/2006 2:52:31 PM ~ Case - requested larger amts. information
5:04:39 ~
1/11/2006 2:53:17 PM ~ Wagner - $3m include monitoring stations thruoughout
state.
5:05:58 ~
1/11/2006 2:54:37 PM ~ Wagner & Uzzell explained 900 series projects.
5:09:01 ~
1/11/2006 2:57:40 PM ~ Olson reviewed Air Quality 900 Series projects split
between west and east portions on state.
5:10:58 ~
1/11/2006 2:59:37 PM ~ Chanceller - Land Qua;ity $204K explained 3-4 larger
firms will fund agency needs.
5:15:40 ~
1/11/2006 3:04:19 PM ~ Green - AML has budget of $55,900
5:18:06 ~
1/11/2006 3:06:45 PM ~ Case- list of receipents please.
5:18:32 ~
1/11/2006 3:07:11 PM ~ Jorgensen - Could have charts of waters?? OK
5:19:38 ~
1/11/2006 3:08:17 PM ~ Philp - 10 minute break and then you can finish up.
5:20:16 ~
1/11/2006 3:08:54 PM ~ Pause
5:20:16 ~
1/11/2006 3:24:32 PM ~ Resume
5:20:21 ~
1/11/2006 3:24:37 PM ~ Corra- You instructed us to get as far as possible to
become a paperless agency. You gave us
money for the planning. The cost of
implementing is coming in much higher than we estimated. We thought that we would have only 55
processes that would need to be implemented , but there are 230. We have many in agency who have developed
their own data base to use. It has
become a much larger project that we thought.
In design phase we have found some efficiencies. Three alternative - Last one is what we are
suggesting. We want to finish by end of
this year and then we want to come back next yr and ask for about 4.5 - 5 mil
to get started. We want to run a pilot,
etc. Thought that we would have answer
for you today, but that isn't possible.
5:27:06 ~
1/11/2006 3:31:22 PM ~ Philp - Have you coordinated with CIO?
5:27:22 ~
1/11/2006 3:31:38 PM ~ Corra - Yes, we have been in constant contact w/ him.
5:27:48 ~
1/11/2006 3:32:04 PM ~ Jorgensen - Don't want you to leave w/ idea that we
don't want you to get to end deal. We
have started on this from examples from other agencies. I know that you can do this and Mr. Biggio
will help . We'll expect to see you in
the supplemental budget.
5:29:22 ~
1/11/2006 3:33:38 PM ~ Corra - If there are any of you on JAC that would like
to help we will be glad to have you. We
want to do it and will , but there is more to it than we had thought so we are
going to go a little slower.
5:30:56 ~
1/11/2006 3:35:11 PM ~ Hines - We want to see the benefits that will be derived.
5:31:16 ~
1/11/2006 3:35:32 PM ~ Jorgensen - Some of benefits are not quantifiable in
dollars, but in other ways.
5:31:55 ~
1/11/2006 3:36:11 PM ~ Anderson- Has been an exemplary presentation.
5:32:26 ~
1/11/2006 3:36:42 PM ~ Philp - pause
5:32:46 ~
1/11/2006 3:37:02 PM ~ Pause
5:32:46 ~
1/11/2006 4:15:55 PM ~ Resume
5:32:50 ~
1/11/2006 4:15:58 PM ~ Tyrell - explained dept. Coal bed natural gas Ground water permits have grown
200-300%. Adjudication has grown. Permit applications are really backed
up. The next page is our IT
project. Mr. LaBonde will walk you
through it.
5:40:45 ~
1/11/2006 4:23:53 PM ~ LaBonde - Go though what you req. 2 years ago. The magenta color column is the update for
this year.
5:42:51 ~
1/11/2006 4:25:59 PM ~ Tyrrell - p. 16
1st exception request pg. 23 - priority #3 - staff in Cheyenne does all
our ground water - we would like to have some that can just show up and check
the wells. p. 25 - priority #12 - gov denied p. 29 - gov approved #13 p. 29-30
-
5:47:47 ~ 1/11/2006
4:30:55 PM ~ Hines - give an ex. of interference - shallow wells and alluvial
ground water. If they give us $100 we
are supposed to do that investigation
5:49:34 ~
1/11/2006 4:32:43 PM ~ Tyrrell - see above for explaination #29, p. 31 - inc. cost for mailing #32 , p. 32 - inc. for in-state travel #30 - want to send people to out-of-state
training #6, pg. 33 - Gov. has changed this significantly - need to develop a tool that shows me that I
have an interference model --with coal bed methane - Bulk of money in here is to go to the Geological Survey to use as
a mapping tool. It could go to the GS, but I want to be involved. #17, p. 42 -
staffin req. to convert a time limited to FTE
p. 54 - get field offices on the internet p. 56, #24 - need WYOLink connection p. 58 - #9 - chg. part-time to full-time - want to have person
on year around basis p. 59, #8 -
combining 2 part-time pos. to 1 full-time
p. 60 , #20 - upgrade of streamflow gaging network --would cut req. from
$60K - $30K p. 61, #10 - 3 positions that need to go to full-time- hard to keep
people in part-time because they are always looking for full-time work. Have enough work to keep them busy all
year. p. 65, #25 - one-time funding to
finish streamgage rehab. p. 64, #16 -
one-time funding to telemeter recorded interstate Bear River Diversions p. 65,
#27 was denied p. 66- #23 - needs to be in budget overtime pay
6:06:13 ~
1/11/2006 4:49:21 PM ~ Simpson - It indicates that if prof. exemption is lost
6:06:43 ~
1/11/2006 4:49:51 PM ~ LaBonde - Those people in field do not qualify for the
prof. exemption. We are trying to be
proactive because we don't think that they should be classified as exempt.
6:08:43 ~
1/11/2006 4:51:51 PM ~ Nicholas - Is there an opportunity to chg. them to salary
rather than hourly?
6:09:20 ~
1/11/2006 4:52:28 PM ~ LaBonde - have worked with A & I. This is one things that we have discussed w/
supervisors to rearrange times worked.
6:11:23 ~
1/11/2006 4:54:31 PM ~ Nicholas - If you have that much overtime maybe you need
to hire some additional positions.
6:11:59 ~
1/11/2006 4:55:07 PM ~ Berger - is it in-effective to hire part-time??
6:12:55 ~
1/11/2006 4:56:03 PM ~ Tyrrell- We have found that it is better to do it this
way. p. 74 - #1 - IT initiative project - I would like for Mr. LaBonde to take
this one.
6:16:39 ~
1/11/2006 4:59:48 PM ~ LaBonde - Document management system.
6:18:41 ~
1/11/2006 5:01:50 PM ~ Nicholas - Microfiche is the archive quality.
6:20:36 ~
1/11/2006 5:03:44 PM ~ LaBonde - The update of the server room was cancelled
because we are going to have one in the Herschler room soon. We are on schedule as you can see on the
Alternative 3 schedule. By October of
2007 we should be finished- we do hope to beat that by several months.
6:24:23 ~
1/11/2006 5:07:31 PM ~ Biggio - What they are doing in this agency will blaze
the trail and then we can apply some of this technology to DEQ.
6:25:42 ~
1/11/2006 5:08:50 PM ~ Nicholas - Would like for other agencies to do the same.
6:26:29 ~
1/11/2006 5:09:37 PM ~ Biggio- DEQ has some more issues and I think that this
agency has done a great job.
6:27:04 ~
1/11/2006 5:10:12 PM ~ Case - Where in orgination is in-stream flow? What are the research compliance put on your
agency?
6:27:57 ~
1/11/2006 5:11:05 PM ~ Tyrrell - We have people that are working lots, but they
are doing a good job. 10-25K miles of
streams and rivers in the state for in-stream flow. I don't need 1 person to do just in-stream flow. We've had 98 permits. We have to decide if it is in-stream flow,
storage, etc. Some of them have been
around for years.
6:33:44 ~
1/11/2006 5:16:53 PM ~ Tyrrell - water right to state - I don't think we've had
that.
6:34:33 ~
1/11/2006 5:17:42 PM ~ Job - what about the overtime? Is this for all year or???
6:36:10 ~
1/11/2006 5:19:18 PM ~ Tyrrell - We are considerate of the families before we
insist that work.
6:38:00 ~
1/11/2006 5:21:08 PM ~ Tyrrell - other exception items - p. 76, priority #2 IT equipment - need p. 80 , priority #22 - converting
time-limited microfilm position to FTE
p. 80, priority #11 p. 81 gov
denied #5 - p. 82, #33 - gov denied p. 88, #31
p. 96, # 21 - inc. for interstate streams compacts - raise in dues p. 99, # 28 - out-state travel budget p. 101, #7 p. 106, #14 - gov approved Have
asked for an additional person in the Powder River Basin, we are seeing a huge
inc. of reservoirs.
6:48:52 ~
1/11/2006 5:32:00 PM ~ Case - How much was over estimating problem and how much
wasn't. 40 out of 120 that were not
reservoirs.
6:51:28 ~
1/11/2006 5:34:36 PM ~ Hines - proud to report that I got all of my permitted.
6:51:51 ~
1/11/2006 5:34:59 PM ~ Philp - Thank you very much.
6:52:22 ~
1/11/2006 5:35:29 PM ~ Stop Recording