07-08 SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET HEARINGS

 

 

      0 ~ 12/8/2006 8:14:52 AM ~ Start Recording

      6 ~ 12/8/2006 8:14:58 AM ~ Mann:  Explng info on Health for state retirees.  If you agreed to pay 100 dollars per retiree for the rest of their life it would be....Existing acurial the ones that are not eligible for retirement it would be....231mill substantial liability  going forward as each year goes on the normal costs would be another 4.5 mill every year as new people come on.  In bottom line down below, the last two sections ignore last section  if you made cmt to pay and then didn't fund it we wld have an unfunded liabilty of... Same discount we use the acurial would need 24 mill and that is for everyone in the system.  Could divide it up into groups oof different people.  See in my memo, require existing employees to contiribute 1%  the 231 mill liability wld drop to 204 mill and the annual contribution would 19.2 mill to pay off for thirty amortization.  Maybe unrealistic  Most liability is for the people who are already retired.  This is the best plan for cost is what I am trying to get at.

   5:23 ~ 12/8/2006 8:20:15 AM ~ Philp:  Don't understand where the 19 mill comes from.

   5:39 ~ 12/8/2006 8:20:31 AM ~ Mann:  That is what I came up with last night working with the actuary.  Not sure I am where you want me to be.

   6:07 ~ 12/8/2006 8:20:59 AM ~ Nichoals:  Don't understand. Ignore for awhile the ...What if we wanted employees to contribute 1/2% and the state to contribute 1/2%  When would they get the equivilent of 100 dollars per month.

   7:09 ~ 12/8/2006 8:22:00 AM ~ Mann This ananlysis infers some subsidy from the state.  This is a thirty year process.

   8:00 ~ 12/8/2006 8:22:51 AM ~ Nicholas:  This would take care of everybody.

   8:11 ~ 12/8/2006 8:23:02 AM ~ Mann:  Yes

   8:15 ~ 12/8/2006 8:23:07 AM ~ Simpson:  So one option would be to fund 1/2% for 15 years until everyone is at 100 dollars a month.

   8:58 ~ 12/8/2006 8:23:49 AM ~ Mann:  Yes if you were requiring a 1% contirbution on every employee the contribution would be 100 dollars.

   9:27 ~ 12/8/2006 8:24:19 AM ~ Mann If a 1% contribution is created on salaries it would 19.2 mill dollars annually.

   9:52 ~ 12/8/2006 8:24:43 AM ~ Simpson:  On page 2 the funded plan--24 mill that is the same number on page 1 that is the 1% contribution--that is what is required, the annual cost is what the 1% would create.

  10:38 ~ 12/8/2006 8:25:30 AM ~ Mann:  Theoretically we would be fine if you want to fund the...

  10:59 ~ 12/8/2006 8:25:51 AM ~ Nicholas:  What is the annual salary?

  11:23 ~ 12/8/2006 8:26:14 AM ~ Mann: 1.3 bill  The normal costs are increasing as we go along.

  12:06 ~ 12/8/2006 8:26:57 AM ~ Hines:  Not sure I followed you on your annual costs?

  12:25 ~ 12/8/2006 8:27:17 AM ~ Mann:  Annual costs we have the unfunded liabilities those who are vested in our system.  As we go along we hire more people and we asume more liability.  Contribution in the area of 10 mill, 5 mill would drop the 24 mill to 19 and the other 5 mill would go to the new liabilities.

  13:48 ~ 12/8/2006 8:28:40 AM ~ Nicholas:  I assume if you create the program now you could put your 1% in and if you retire next year you get very little but if you stay in 15 years we ...

  14:49 ~ 12/8/2006 8:29:40 AM ~ Nicholas:  I think at a minimum we should start a defined contribution so we can begin to take care of the problem right now.  10.3 mill a year and have the employees contribute 1/2%.

  15:54 ~ 12/8/2006 8:30:46 AM ~ Philp:  ok

  16:01 ~ 12/8/2006 8:30:53 AM ~ Nicholas: What I would like to do is direct the staff to begin a statute to begin the defined....  Make room for 5-10 mill per year it seems to me.

  16:50 ~ 12/8/2006 8:31:42 AM ~ Philp:  Discussion?

  16:56 ~ 12/8/2006 8:31:48 AM ~ Berger:  What is the employee culture for this match?

  17:10 ~ 12/8/2006 8:32:02 AM ~ Mann:  Can't venture that.  Any movement to reitirement health would be welcome.

  17:36 ~ 12/8/2006 8:32:28 AM ~ Nicholas:  It would not be voluntary.  This is mandatory.

  17:57 ~ 12/8/2006 8:32:49 AM ~ Hines:  Plan you are proposing (Nichoals)  Just for new retirees?

  18:17 ~ 12/8/2006 8:33:08 AM ~ Nicholas:  Yes.  You only get what you put in is what you get out.

  18:42 ~ 12/8/2006 8:33:33 AM ~ Philp:  Motion?

  18:50 ~ 12/8/2006 8:33:41 AM ~ Simpson:  If you consider ss and cost of living, how would that shake out?

  19:14 ~ 12/8/2006 8:34:06 AM ~ Mann:  Since we have a max 3% cola and ss seems to be able to go higher than that, I haven't requested anything over that.  A 3% cola would force us to increase contributions. We sld have to increase from 11% to 16.53%  I sppse I shld bring up at this point the       is the lowest in this area.  We are doing a study of what our increases were in comparison to school district's.    We may need help in this area.

  22:00 ~ 12/8/2006 8:36:52 AM ~ Simpson:  What have cola's been in 2005 and 2006?

  22:16 ~ 12/8/2006 8:37:08 AM ~ Mann provided the numbers.

  22:23 ~ 12/8/2006 8:37:14 AM ~ Simpson:  Every 1% in contribution--can you make that in dollars?

  22:41 ~ 12/8/2006 8:37:32 AM ~ Mann:  I can get you that.

  22:47 ~ 12/8/2006 8:37:39 AM ~ Simpson:  Thank you.

  22:58 ~ 12/8/2006 8:37:50 AM ~ Nicholas:  I want to make sure I understand....

  23:21 ~ 12/8/2006 8:38:12 AM ~ Mann:  That is correct.  We have a salary assumption and when we have the school district's to 20, 25, 30% increase it will have serious implications.

  24:07 ~ 12/8/2006 8:38:58 AM ~

  24:14 ~ 12/8/2006 8:39:06 AM ~ Mann:  We give salary increases based on what we can afford.

  24:35 ~ 12/8/2006 8:39:26 AM ~ Anderson:  High percentage of teachers that are going to retire.

  24:55 ~ 12/8/2006 8:39:47 AM ~ Job:  How much would have been needed to give the 3% cola?

  25:12 ~ 12/8/2006 8:40:03 AM ~ Mann  In order to fully fund that it would have taken a 900K infusion to pay the 3%.  Oops.  900 mill!!

  26:06 ~ 12/8/2006 8:40:58 AM ~ Philp: Ok where do you want to go?

  26:22 ~ 12/8/2006 8:41:13 AM ~ Nicholas:  Want to motion that staff make a statute to ....

  27:02 ~ 12/8/2006 8:41:53 AM ~ Philp:  Seconded by senator Job.

  27:18 ~ 12/8/2006 8:42:10 AM ~ Philp:  Do we need a roll call.

  27:31 ~ 12/8/2006 8:42:23 AM ~ No

  27:34 ~ 12/8/2006 8:42:26 AM ~ Philip:  Motion passed.

  28:50 ~ 12/8/2006 8:43:42 AM ~ Nicholas:  When bill is formatted lets have ....  The fiscal note...Scenario one is where we pay1/2% and scenario 2 is where the employee funds the 1%.

  29:54 ~ 12/8/2006 8:44:46 AM ~ Philp:  I thought I would have Steve give us the big picture?

  31:00 ~ 12/8/2006 8:45:52 AM ~ Steve:  Has everyone found the white rod?

  32:04 ~ 12/8/2006 8:46:56 AM ~ Steve went through the white page  highlighteing the 114 mill   That's just  gov profile he is showing 13.9 mill he is assuming there will be an approp of 100 mill.  5% statutaory set aside.   Assume you want to keep that you have 14 mill to work off.  The gov reqs includ 150 mill loss and he assumes that you will appropr...  This is his rev loass and 180 gain.  We have a little wiggle room in the Dept of Health we can deal with what you want to fund.  Also, gov assumes no increase in LSRA.  We will keep track of it as we go along and we can keep track and keep you updated.   Gov letters highlighted...  55.7 earmark 6.9 for..

  38:20 ~ 12/8/2006 8:53:11 AM ~ Simpson the 250 mill property relief  do we have a letter?

  38:38 ~ 12/8/2006 8:53:29 AM ~ Simpson What does that mean?

  38:45 ~ 12/8/2006 8:53:37 AM ~ Steve:  Nothing unless you do something.

  39:02 ~ 12/8/2006 8:53:54 AM ~ Steve:  Do you want an update on the revenue side?

  39:14 ~ 12/8/2006 8:54:05 AM ~ Philp:  Yes.

  39:18 ~ 12/8/2006 8:54:10 AM ~ Steve we are in pretty good shape except in the gas price and we may have to tweak that down a little bit.  Coal, oil and natural gas with the gas being the big one.  We will probably have to lower that one.  Are average at Cheyenne hub is a little higher  Estimated price is 5.75  Need a slight adj--maybe 50 cents .  My bigger concern is next year.   Pipeline that is to be in place in 2007 is going to cause the issue.. Alot of price constraints next calendar year.  We will have to come down on that 5.75 price and 5 is not unreasonable.  Banking on a more normal winter so far that has not happened so our forecast was based on that so we will have to look at that again.  We only have a very few things that we can count on....coal, gas production will have to tweak down.  100 mill when we revise in January unless something happens before we return in january.

  43:15 ~ 12/8/2006 8:58:07 AM ~ Philp:  Senator Nicholas.

  43:32 ~ 12/8/2006 8:58:23 AM ~ Nicholas:  I have a few handouts to look at.

  43:48 ~ 12/8/2006 8:58:39 AM ~ When 10 years when we had very small budgets there was some money left aside for the legislative body to make recommendations.  In the last five years we have had a unique situation.  There was another 100-200 million dollars left for legislative initiatives.  At the top ofthe first handout I set out some plans.  Set aside 100 mill for that potential how much do we set aside for legislative inititatives.  Still a month away from session.  I arbitrarilly set aside 100 mill for inititatives.  Gov said he thought...

  46:42 ~ 12/8/2006 9:01:33 AM ~ Simpson:  Steve the other bills on this leg initiatives for this session...

  47:09 ~ 12/8/2006 9:02:00 AM ~ Steve about 105 mill

  47:14 ~ 12/8/2006 9:02:05 AM ~ Nicholas:  Conference committee, legislative priority that JAC shld not disturb, gov profile reqs  revenue sources.  Proposal 1, 2, 3 ,4 are just different reqs to..... 20 mill dollar health transfer, each designed to have 200 mill... If it is there we have determined the priorities  Then with the 100 mill legislative inititives...reduce by 1/2 I argue that it is critical.  Proposal 1  I have weighted heavy airports, highways, Proposal is a little cut in every area, Proposal 3 is where the highways don't take a hit and then we just take a hit in the other areas to make up the diff. Proposal 4 shows discounts you would have to make to meet the tax relief measure.  Think you need to know where you want to end up. Have to generate the resource somewher.  The next items are just how much we plan to give to cities, towns and counties.

  52:27 ~ 12/8/2006 9:07:19 AM ~ Philp:  Let's wait until we get to that part of the budget.  Any questions.  If not we are ready to get into the budget.

  52:56 ~ 12/8/2006 9:07:48 AM ~ Philp:  005 Education---discussed process.

  53:36 ~ 12/8/2006 9:08:27 AM ~ Steve:  And Mr. Chairman we can go back and use the gov letters as it fits into the budget.

  54:29 ~ 12/8/2006 9:09:20 AM ~ Hines:  Might expln the requests that were denied by the gov?

  54:46 ~ 12/8/2006 9:09:38 AM ~ Philp:  We will go right on past the ones he denied.  Unless there is one that you want to discuss.

  55:11 ~ 12/8/2006 9:10:02 AM ~ Steve:  There aren't too many eorg that was completely denied.  If you want to handle as a no vote unless someone wants to bring it up.

  55:59 ~ 12/8/2006 9:10:51 AM ~ Philp:  Hathaway  page 15 is the chart.

  56:49 ~ 12/8/2006 9:11:41 AM ~ Philp: All in favor....

  57:01 ~ 12/8/2006 9:11:53 AM ~ Philp:  Pge 20?  Motion...All those in favor...

  57:26 ~ 12/8/2006 9:12:18 AM ~ Steve:  21 and 22 are seperate.  Time out

  57:47 ~ 12/8/2006 9:12:38 AM ~ Steve:  Page 26 and 27

  58:02 ~ 12/8/2006 9:12:54 AM ~ Philp:  Motion?

  58:10 ~ 12/8/2006 9:13:01 AM ~ Philp:  That is it for that budget.  Close Budget.  All for? Opposed?

  58:46 ~ 12/8/2006 9:13:38 AM ~ Philp:  Passed

  58:53 ~ 12/8/2006 9:13:44 AM ~ Philp:  Budget 006  Page 14  All those in favor.  Page 17 and 18.

  59:56 ~ 12/8/2006 9:14:48 AM ~ Steve:  We need to vote on this.

1:00:04 ~ 12/8/2006 9:14:56 AM ~ Philp:  Ok all those in favor...Ok now 20 and 21  All in favor...Page 23 for a million two All in favor....Motion passed

1:00:59 ~ 12/8/2006 9:15:51 AM ~ McVey:  I think the next budget is on page 25 and I can hand out request by Nicholas if that is alright.

1:01:38 ~ 12/8/2006 9:16:30 AM ~ Philp:  Sure.

1:02:02 ~ 12/8/2006 9:16:54 AM ~ Philp:  Mike go ahead and explain that.

1:02:15 ~ 12/8/2006 9:17:07 AM ~ McVey:  It shows the supplemental amount requested.  He went through all the columns  Frot with error.  Did the same for the executive branch, UW, etc. with footnotes showing what they represent.

1:03:30 ~ 12/8/2006 9:18:22 AM ~ Philp:  What is the footnote again?

1:03:45 ~ 12/8/2006 9:18:36 AM ~ McVey:  Expld the footnote structure.

1:04:10 ~ 12/8/2006 9:19:01 AM ~ Philp: Questions?

1:04:28 ~ 12/8/2006 9:19:20 AM ~ Jones:  This puts an addl 25 on top of the 3% .  There are two

1:05:00 ~ 12/8/2006 9:19:52 AM ~ McVey:  That is true.

1:05:21 ~ 12/8/2006 9:20:12 AM ~ Nicholas:  On the market average that is to take the employees to the competitive market...

1:05:57 ~ 12/8/2006 9:20:48 AM ~ McVey:  They are at the market minimum.  Entry level  postion and average is what that level is paid.  Two or more years of service

1:06:37 ~ 12/8/2006 9:21:29 AM ~ Nicholas:  Community College takes employees to 2006?

1:06:54 ~ 12/8/2006 9:21:45 AM ~ McVey:  Faculty is using 2005, classified are using 2006 averages.

1:07:27 ~ 12/8/2006 9:22:19 AM ~ Nicholas:  What does UW require as adj?

1:07:40 ~ 12/8/2006 9:22:32 AM ~ McVey:  They do not have that info available.  Buchanan has a higher number than us.

1:08:19 ~ 12/8/2006 9:23:10 AM ~ Philp:  Jorgenson

1:08:31 ~ 12/8/2006 9:23:22 AM ~ Jorgenson:  I have a question on line 3 on health care.  Medicare   what wouldthe impact be?

1:09:00 ~ 12/8/2006 9:23:52 AM ~ McVey:  I need to see if we have that data.

1:09:10 ~ 12/8/2006 9:24:02 AM ~ Steve:  We are technically not there yet.

1:09:23 ~ 12/8/2006 9:24:15 AM ~ Jorgenson:  I think it is good to see it all at once.

1:09:34 ~ 12/8/2006 9:24:26 AM ~ McVey:  If you adopted that proposal and you would only allow those eligible for medicare it would be.... per year.

1:10:23 ~ 12/8/2006 9:25:15 AM ~ Jorgenson:  If I could speak to that briefly.  That should be a discussion for those who choose to retire early.

1:11:04 ~ 12/8/2006 9:25:55 AM ~ Hines:  Move that we ammend the gov req, delete the addl 2% but leave in the embedded ...3.1 mill and basically do this because we need to address the market averages and the money there is adequate.  Jones seconded the motion.

1:12:41 ~ 12/8/2006 9:27:33 AM ~ Philp All in favor say aye....Further motions?  Gov req ammended say aye....

1:13:21 ~ 12/8/2006 9:28:13 AM ~ Philp:  Page 30 and 31 this is the retiree health and

1:13:56 ~ 12/8/2006 9:28:48 AM ~ Nicholas I move that we delete the gov req

1:14:08 ~ 12/8/2006 9:29:00 AM ~ Seconded by...

1:14:13 ~ 12/8/2006 9:29:04 AM ~ Philp:  Those in favor....

1:14:29 ~ 12/8/2006 9:29:21 AM ~ Job:  I want to open the discussion about the retiree health  I would ask for someone to second this I move that we add 231 mill dollars to meet the health care

1:15:28 ~ 12/8/2006 9:30:19 AM ~ Nicholas:  Seconded.

1:15:36 ~ 12/8/2006 9:30:28 AM ~ Job:  Retirees not benefiting in fact are getting squeezed. 1% a nd cola is all they have received for the last two years.  We are helping out with health insurance in the schools etc and yet we are not addressing those who came before.  Keep giving money to highways and I submit that we need to addressthose who served us in leaner times.  I know we will have the bill for them to pay some of the insurance but I would like to have something for those who have no toher options.  This might be the time to set aside for the next four years.

1:18:20 ~ 12/8/2006 9:33:11 AM ~ Nicholas:  This is an issue that has plagued us all.  My difficulty is that when the State of Wyoming hires, they agree to a salary.  When you work for someone the obligation ends when you leave.  You have the same problem with other businesses.  I paid taxes and chose not to work for the State.  If we are going to give money to some we should give the money to all citizens.  Reverse mortgages... Might not be able to give money to their children.  To suggest this is unique to State retirees is not the case.  If we are going to solve the problems for state employees then we should be able to do it for everyone.

1:21:36 ~ 12/8/2006 9:36:28 AM ~ Jorgenson:  When young people talk to me about where they should work...

1:21:55 ~ 12/8/2006 9:36:47 AM ~ State does that in our insurance programs.. Poke at the edges...Huge complaints from schools about this issue.  So many special interests.  If we don't start in some way to control health costs issues.  We might as well admit it if we are going to do nothing.  No sympathy for....  That is part of their decision to retire early. I recognize every issue but...

1:23:41 ~ 12/8/2006 9:38:33 AM ~ Job:  I can't say that I haven't been where Nicholas and Jorgenson are, however, I just see these people struggling.  Last year we covered the CHIP program.  We are negligent that we don't take on the insurance industry.  Also, tackling the industry we have been negligent.  We haven't addressed the tough issues.  Should not go to our State retirees to resolve.

1:25:54 ~ 12/8/2006 9:40:46 AM ~ Jorgenson:  Can't argue with those points but the CHIP program I support, we almost collectively have people asking how we got so many people enrolled  the bigger resistance to change..attitude to those people who need it.

1:27:11 ~ 12/8/2006 9:42:02 AM ~ Case:  We did study this previously, Priviledged to chair that cmttee.  We pay both pieces ofthe retirement.  Unwise to take on a new obligation. Obligation is after the employment period.    Not fair to take away from others to pay for this.   I think we can prepare for those who will retire in the future.  Too few people paying in and too many  taking.

1:29:14 ~ 12/8/2006 9:44:05 AM ~ Job:  I would like to ammend my motion to have 100 dollars per month for every retiree for the next ten years.

1:29:46 ~ 12/8/2006 9:44:38 AM ~ Nicholas:  Let's withdraw the previous motion and replace with this.

1:30:09 ~ 12/8/2006 9:45:01 AM ~ Philp:  Call for question..  Failed.

1:30:33 ~ 12/8/2006 9:45:25 AM ~ Nicholas:  If you want to ..

1:30:47 ~ 12/8/2006 9:45:38 AM ~ Philp:  Denied the whole thing.

1:30:56 ~ 12/8/2006 9:45:47 AM ~ Philp:  Next page 34. Gov req all in favor...

1:31:24 ~ 12/8/2006 9:46:15 AM ~ Jorgenson:  Want to speak about the GIS

1:31:37 ~ 12/8/2006 9:46:29 AM ~ Philp:  Wrong time.

1:31:43 ~ 12/8/2006 9:46:34 AM ~ Philp All in favor...Passed

1:31:54 ~ 12/8/2006 9:46:45 AM ~ Philp:  Page 40

1:32:06 ~ 12/8/2006 9:46:58 AM ~ Jorgenson:  Speak to this, proposing to page 36 andtop of 37 my requestis to fund full time position and have some supplemental services. Total of 190,456.    (Warren seconded the motion.)  Reviewed the requests.Gives us some tools to focus on basic services.

1:34:17 ~ 12/8/2006 9:49:08 AM ~ Nicholas:  You are asking for the coordinator?

1:34:27 ~ 12/8/2006 9:49:19 AM ~ Jorgenson:  Yes.

1:34:33 ~ 12/8/2006 9:49:25 AM ~ Nicholas:  Not sure they are related.  I believe we need to have the GIS coordinator.  Concerned that creating one ahead of legislative.  Without power can't accomplish.. Appointing new CIO and not sure it is apporpriate to create.  Leave funding out and still put the headcount it.  Authorize position without funding would be my proposal.

1:36:24 ~ 12/8/2006 9:51:15 AM ~ Jorgenson:  I understand those points.  This group is working on legislation...I guess the points you bring up have already been.....I would agree with you in the reluctance...there is a half time postion already.  No problem in creating the position.

1:37:41 ~ 12/8/2006 9:52:33 AM ~ Nicholas:  Create position and put in funding until next session.  Changed the motion and seconded.

1:38:20 ~ 12/8/2006 9:53:11 AM ~ Steve:  I want to make sure I understand.

1:38:29 ~ 12/8/2006 9:53:20 AM ~ Nicholas:  Put in position with no funding.

1:38:43 ~ 12/8/2006 9:53:34 AM ~ Steve:  OK

1:38:50 ~ 12/8/2006 9:53:42 AM ~ Jones:  Not sure I understand the creating a position and no funding.  Why even put it in there.

1:39:20 ~ 12/8/2006 9:54:12 AM ~ Philp:  Ready for question:  All in favor---Failed

1:39:43 ~ 12/8/2006 9:54:34 AM ~ Diviision being called for

1:39:53 ~ 12/8/2006 9:54:45 AM ~ Philp:  Failed.

1:40:05 ~ 12/8/2006 9:54:57 AM ~ Philp:  Any other motions, hearing none  All in favor say aye.....

1:40:35 ~ 12/8/2006 9:55:26 AM ~ Philp:  On to page 45 telephone operations  for a switch  all in favor say aye....passed

1:41:02 ~ 12/8/2006 9:55:54 AM ~ Philp:  It communications....All in favor say aye....

1:41:31 ~ 12/8/2006 9:56:23 AM ~ Philp:  State Library page 50  Transfer for unicover  all in favor say aye....page 55  all in favor say aye.....passed,

1:42:24 ~ 12/8/2006 9:57:15 AM ~ Nichoals: there is a capital fund for.....

1:42:51 ~ 12/8/2006 9:57:42 AM ~ Steve: It is in excess of 7.5 mill  if you want to add to it you could footnote it

1:43:14 ~ 12/8/2006 9:58:06 AM ~ Nicholas:  I want to make two motions.  10 mill for capital...construction  for executive building about 10 mill  We are currently leasing for many agencies.  Start make some planning for it.  Capital renovations shoud be about 30 mill  first motion for the catipat rennovations, seconded, , more discussion, capital will have to be renovated within the next 5 years.  Number of reasons why we need to bring this into the new century.  Better to take a chip out ofthis as we can

1:46:18 ~ 12/8/2006 10:01:09 AM ~ Jorgenson:  I certainly agree in principle.  I like to consider it in a regular budget session instead of as an emergeny for a supplemental.

1:46:57 ~ 12/8/2006 10:01:49 AM ~ Simpson:  Part of our role is to set long and short term goals.  This is something on the radar.  It is a wise policy place holder.  We run into a lot of shock effect without adequate  planning.

1:47:59 ~ 12/8/2006 10:02:51 AM ~ Nicholas:  restated his motion.

1:48:16 ~ 12/8/2006 10:03:08 AM ~ Philp:  Discussion.

1:48:23 ~ 12/8/2006 10:03:14 AM ~ Job:  Would not support this ... should be discussed on floor.

1:48:50 ~ 12/8/2006 10:03:42 AM ~ Philp:  Call for question.  Motion failed.

1:49:01 ~ 12/8/2006 10:03:52 AM ~ Philp:  Division being called.  Failed.

1:49:21 ~ 12/8/2006 10:04:12 AM ~ Philp:  Page 58.  Wait a minute.  You have another motion?

1:49:50 ~ 12/8/2006 10:04:41 AM ~ Berger:  Would like to talk about dept of health, training school, girls school etc.  Could we add that to the capital rennovations and have Cathcart put together a plan that might include them all.

1:51:00 ~ 12/8/2006 10:05:52 AM ~ Nicholas:  There is a periodic plan that gets updated.  When does it get updated again?

1:51:21 ~ 12/8/2006 10:06:13 AM ~ Steve:  Cathcart does have a plan but when something comes up like unicover it starts over again.  Speaking to Berger yesterday I know she has concerns about other institutions.  The capital shop is constantly being analyzed.  Something this is on going all the time.  If committee wants to discuss it by institution we do that when we getther.

1:52:59 ~ 12/8/2006 10:07:50 AM ~ Philp:  Gov req all in favor....passed  Next page 58  gov req  all in favor...passed.  Motion to approve 006  moved and seconded all in favor...

1:54:04 ~ 12/8/2006 10:08:55 AM ~ Nicholas:  I was going to make a motion to footnote that the funds NOT revert so we can start building it up...3.2 mill

1:54:38 ~ 12/8/2006 10:09:30 AM ~ Philp:  This is not the place to do this.  This is just for major maintenance.  It is in state lands.  All in favor...passed.  Take a ten minute break.

1:55:32 ~ 12/8/2006 10:10:22 AM ~ Pause

1:55:32 ~ 12/8/2006 10:23:25 AM ~ Resume

1:55:44 ~ 12/8/2006 10:23:37 AM ~ Take Break for lunch.

1:56:11 ~ 12/8/2006 10:24:04 AM ~ Philp - Military Dept. P.12  Gov. Rec. In favor - Passed.

1:56:58 ~ 12/8/2006 10:24:51 AM ~ Siimpson - Vote all up unless someone pulls one up.  Page 3 - Gov recommended a fence.  Everybody comfortable?  In favor of Gov Rec - Passed.  Agency - Vote to close agency 7 - Passed.

1:59:03 ~ 12/8/2006 10:26:56 AM ~ Agency 10 - Same thing

1:59:23 ~ 12/8/2006 10:27:17 AM ~ Jones  - pull one out on page 44 - 43 .  Amend Gov rec to fund two position in gen fund.  Seed lab has been in 3rd biennium .  Compares lab from when in Cheyenne and in Big Horn Basin.  Local support - grows - most of growth from out of state.  For that to come about reputation - need help in budget session.  Need to enlarge lab to add more seeds.  Staff needed - growth fenominal.  Come out of block grant at UW - Not going to happen.  Have funding come from Gen Fund.

2:02:32 ~ 12/8/2006 10:30:25 AM ~ Jorgensen - Don't think it's successful.  With comparisons to other states - looks like a few modification of fees would take care of that   Handout #11 shows 16% increase in fees.  Dated in July.  Something to becareful of - try to raise maximum amount of money

2:04:12 ~ 12/8/2006 10:32:05 AM ~ Jones - Could fund in budget?

2:04:45 ~ 12/8/2006 10:32:38 AM ~ Case - I fail to see why we sell to out of state people at a loss.  Been  around a few years.  Needs to become self sufficient.

2:05:34 ~ 12/8/2006 10:33:28 AM ~ Nicholas - looks like never get to being self sufficient.

2:05:56 ~ 12/8/2006 10:33:50 AM ~ Jones - I agree totally.  Always desire to work toward self sufficiency.  Thing need to be done statuatorily.  Maybe that's why we pay taxes.  Work toward becoming self sufficient.  In order to have growth, a lot has to come from out of state business.

2:07:16 ~ 12/8/2006 10:35:09 AM ~ Case - I was here when proposed and was said it was definitely would make money.  Why provide service to out of state?

2:07:55 ~ 12/8/2006 10:35:49 AM ~ Jorgensen - Were we to depend on that logic and depend on other to shop out of state.  Division - in favor - passes

2:08:59 ~ 12/8/2006 10:36:52 AM ~ Philp - Anything further on this agency:  Passed.  Need a motion to close - Motion passed.

2:09:50 ~ 12/8/2006 10:37:44 AM ~ Philp - Agency 15

2:09:58 ~ 12/8/2006 10:37:52 AM ~ Milke - Gov Letter to Agency 15

2:10:16 ~ 12/8/2006 10:38:09 AM ~ Philp - Let's take care of that - Letter #4   Issue with Yellow River contract.  Gov asking for $5,000 to take care of that.  Could make motion for staff to put where its appropriate.

2:11:28 ~ 12/8/2006 10:39:22 AM ~ Nicholas - Do you want the Att Gen or Gov to spend it.

2:11:50 ~ 12/8/2006 10:39:43 AM ~ Hines - Can't remember how we did in past - We put money in for law suits.

2:12:15 ~ 12/8/2006 10:40:08 AM ~ Sommers - Put in AG office Footnote.

2:12:31 ~ 12/8/2006 10:40:24 AM ~ Hines - Move 5000

2:12:46 ~ 12/8/2006 10:40:39 AM ~ Sommers - Doesnt say  which fund. We could make GF it would be easier.

2:13:29 ~ 12/8/2006 10:41:22 AM ~ Philp - Passed.

2:13:40 ~ 12/8/2006 10:41:34 AM ~ Philp - Do this as consent list.

2:14:03 ~ 12/8/2006 10:41:56 AM ~ Sommers - 146 65 Switch

2:14:22 ~ 12/8/2006 10:42:15 AM ~ Philp - Letter from AT Gent

2:14:39 ~ 12/8/2006 10:42:32 AM ~ Sommers - Letter clarifies - Move funds - No.  All for IT stuff.  Pages 16 & 17.

2:15:22 ~ 12/8/2006 10:43:15 AM ~ Philp - Pull out anything - Gov Rec - Passed .  Motion to close budget. - Passed.

2:15:54 ~ 12/8/2006 10:43:47 AM ~ Jones - Included Yellowstone River.

2:16:13 ~ 12/8/2006 10:44:07 AM ~ Philp - Agency 20 - Go one by one - some big ones.  First one page 10 - IT positions Motion is Gov Rec - Question - Passed

2:17:55 ~ 12/8/2006 10:45:48 AM ~ Philp - That all of them?

2:18:12 ~ 12/8/2006 10:46:05 AM ~ Sommers - 15,16, & 17

2:18:22 ~ 12/8/2006 10:46:15 AM ~ Philp - Motion on Agency  20- passed

2:18:48 ~ 12/8/2006 10:46:41 AM ~ Philp- Agency 24  P. 11  This is Cody deal. Korean war veterans.

2:19:27 ~ 12/8/2006 10:47:20 AM ~ Nicholas - Delete for Gov Rec for Korena Mem.  Put 300 in major maintenance  - other need for those dollars.

2:20:01 ~ 12/8/2006 10:47:54 AM ~ Simpson - Speak against amend.  Gov supportive of war effort.  Don't know if match.  City granting lease for that site.  I think we can honor those veterans in this memorial.

2:21:15 ~ 12/8/2006 10:49:08 AM ~ Peterson - Some things already at site - In Park county Has helped raise these funds.

2:21:45 ~ 12/8/2006 10:49:39 AM ~ Case - If motion deletes Gov Rec.  Actually add money to it.

2:22:07 ~ 12/8/2006 10:50:01 AM ~ Philp - Let's deal with this motion

2:22:17 ~ 12/8/2006 10:50:10 AM ~ Jones - Not Cody or Park co. mem - State of Wy  mem - not for Park Co.  Next to Vietnam.  3Philp- Further

2:23:09 ~ 12/8/2006 10:51:02 AM ~ Philp - Motion Failed

2:23:23 ~ 12/8/2006 10:51:16 AM ~ Case - Add 18,000 to mem.  All services and all veteran of wars.  Center is statue of Chance Phelps.  He sat for his father for this statue.  Chance is from Dubois.  Most amazing thing that happened to me.  After funeral we got in buses to go to cemeter.  Biggest parade - people four deep holding flags.  18,000 short - raised well over l100,000.

2:25:40 ~ 12/8/2006 10:53:33 AM ~ Jorgensen - Issue that may become very broad.  Don't know how many people are in the police action

2:26:07 ~ 12/8/2006 10:54:01 AM ~ Peterson - Support 18,000 approp.  Support for this from citizens.  Committment made from veterans in Wy.

2:26:48 ~ 12/8/2006 10:54:41 AM ~ Hines - If start this need to take it to 23.  Look at every county and maybe every community.  Not start this now.

2:27:27 ~ 12/8/2006 10:55:20 AM ~ Philp - Motion failed.   18,000 - in favor - failed.

2:27:55 ~ 12/8/2006 10:55:49 AM ~ Nicholas - Cost of project in Cody?

2:28:19 ~ 12/8/2006 10:56:12 AM ~ Mike - Something which would  address that.  According to letter estimated cost if 450,000.

2:29:33 ~ 12/8/2006 10:57:26 AM ~ Nicholas - Move appropriation  reduced to 125,000 to be matched by Cody

2:30:13 ~ 12/8/2006 10:58:07 AM ~ Simpson - When we get into making mem for all counties.  This is state wide mem for Korean vet.

2:30:45 ~ 12/8/2006 10:58:38 AM ~ Nicholas -  Only funded half of war mem

2:31:08 ~ 12/8/2006 10:59:01 AM ~ Job - What is process that designates war mem?  Criteria if we call this it gets state funds.

2:31:44 ~ 12/8/2006 10:59:38 AM ~ Simpson - War Mem was Laramie project.  As indicated - war mem supports education for children of war vet that have died.  Haven't seen  - establishing a process in Park Co.

2:32:54 ~ 12/8/2006 11:00:48 AM ~ Peterson - VFW - support on statewide basis.  Unita co will not be asking for one

2:33:29 ~ 12/8/2006 11:01:23 AM ~ Berger - Remind Dir. of St. Parks - did not have participation with request.  If start funding mem give valuation process to director.

2:34:11 ~ 12/8/2006 11:02:05 AM ~ Philp - Getting off motion.  Not commmitte member not given  Motion Passed - All in favor of reducing 125 ,000 and providing match  Motion failed.  Further motions?

2:35:30 ~ 12/8/2006 11:03:23 AM ~ Anderson - p 23 7 24

2:35:48 ~ 12/8/2006 11:03:41 AM ~ Somers - Not voted on 10 & 11.

2:35:58 ~ 12/8/2006 11:03:52 AM ~ Philp  - In favor of Gov. Red.  Passed  Page 13

2:36:44 ~ 12/8/2006 11:04:37 AM ~ Nicholas - Move money from Hist Context - Agency overall which is no. 2 priority.

2:37:23 ~ 12/8/2006 11:05:17 AM ~ Philp - I n favor say aye - Motion passed.

2:37:40 ~ 12/8/2006 11:05:33 AM ~ Philp - Discussion?  In favor of Gov Rec amended - Passed.

2:38:06 ~ 12/8/2006 11:05:59 AM ~ Philp - Major maintenance - Gov Rec p.26& 27.

2:38:35 ~ 12/8/2006 11:06:28 AM ~ Anderson P. 23  Recommend pass on 70,000 .  Narrative explicity.  Well gone dry on Ft Fetterman Site.  Now hauling water from Douglas - 7 miles.  Fourth priority - health issue.  Urge favorable consideration.

2:40:12 ~ 12/8/2006 11:08:05 AM ~ Simpson - Were there any estimates of cost.  Fire protection -

2:40:45 ~ 12/8/2006 11:08:38 AM ~ Anderson - 70,000 is lot for a well.  National Hist Site.  My sense it will be drilled some distance from site.  1800 ft. of pipe - would include all

2:41:48 ~ 12/8/2006 11:09:41 AM ~ Peterson - Rise in support.  70,000 surprises me.  Necessary amenities  - will pay over 70,000 if tourists get sick.

2:42:46 ~ 12/8/2006 11:10:39 AM ~ Anderson - Given drought Conditions difficult because of drought.

2:43:08 ~ 12/8/2006 11:11:02 AM ~ Philp- Add 70.000 for well at Ft. Fetterman - Motion passed.

2:43:28 ~ 12/8/2006 11:11:21 AM ~ Philp - Major Main - sup  - Motion is Gov Rec, denied and St. Build. denied.  Added 858

2:44:14 ~ 12/8/2006 11:12:07 AM ~ Warren - Move we fully fund this.  Add to 858 to make to amount.

2:44:37 ~ 12/8/2006 11:12:30 AM ~ Warren - Tourism does compete with mineral extraction.  Funded last year what they thought they could do.  Support for facilties.  Thought they could spend the money.

2:46:05 ~ 12/8/2006 11:13:58 AM ~ Peterson - Support motion.  Southwest part of the state - trails there Ft. Bridger.  Natural resources this year - stopped at Ft Bridger.  80 people participated.  Turn this around and make reality.  Lots of money in business council.  When bring people into state must show them something.  Something we need to raise to the occation.  Parks have identified need.

2:48:10 ~ 12/8/2006 11:16:03 AM ~ Philp - Add back 4.3M  Motion failed.Division - in favor - motion failed. Gov. Rec as amended passed.

2:49:00 ~ 12/8/2006 11:16:53 AM ~ Philp - Passed

2:49:12 ~ 12/8/2006 11:17:05 AM ~ Philp - Agency 27 -

2:49:22 ~ 12/8/2006 11:17:15 AM ~ Mike - Gov. letter on this one.

2:49:36 ~ 12/8/2006 11:17:29 AM ~ Sommers - Also handout and footnote on letter Mike mentioned.  No 3  I believe.

2:50:07 ~ 12/8/2006 11:18:00 AM ~ Nicholas - Language provided yesterday.

2:50:20 ~ 12/8/2006 11:18:13 AM ~ Sommers - Footnotes basically for construction - business ready com. Handout #54

2:50:44 ~ 12/8/2006 11:18:37 AM ~ Nicholas - Move language provided by At Gen yesterday p 1 only

2:51:10 ~ 12/8/2006 11:19:04 AM ~ Sommers - Page 1 amends footnotes.

2:51:23 ~ 12/8/2006 11:19:16 AM ~ Philp - Okay in favor - Passed.

2:51:45 ~ 12/8/2006 11:19:39 AM ~ Nicholas - Make appropriation for 7M from school foundation into cap construction accounty - to construct off base  - cost be fully reimbursed.  I can work with language later.  Used our dollars to do offf premise construction.

2:53:04 ~ 12/8/2006 11:20:57 AM ~ Hines - Second  Concern was using school foundation money.  When use off site with legal requirements - furnishing buildings - using School foundation money.  Thinking of using Gen Fund money.

2:54:10 ~ 12/8/2006 11:22:03 AM ~ Nicholas - If Dis Court approves it can be out of foundation acct.

2:54:31 ~ 12/8/2006 11:22:25 AM ~ Anderson - Affirm cautions whichj Sen Hines expressed.

2:54:53 ~ 12/8/2006 11:22:46 AM ~ Jorgensen - Understand intent of motion.  Not sure all jurisdictions fund things - Logical extension of services.  Many awards of business council is to extend - Clear sense of ought to be paying for these things.  Won't probably get reimbursed for.

2:56:09 ~ 12/8/2006 11:24:02 AM ~ Simpson - 7M from - With regard to Business Council - Policy - dumping into Bussiness Council - money will be spent.  Where does the money go?

2:57:17 ~ 12/8/2006 11:25:10 AM ~ Sommers - Motion was to give money to school faciilities.

2:58:00 ~ 12/8/2006 11:25:53 AM ~ Hines - We can change our mind.  When I saw amendment come forward I felt it lacked some things.  Should work on bill with more detail - more direction on way it will work.  Bill form.,

2:59:00 ~ 12/8/2006 11:26:53 AM ~ Philp- Further motions - Okay

2:59:21 ~ 12/8/2006 11:27:14 AM ~ Case - On whole agency - got waylaid.  Footnote to slow down school construction.

2:59:59 ~ 12/8/2006 11:27:52 AM ~ Philp - Go through each EORG

3:00:12 ~ 12/8/2006 11:28:06 AM ~ Nicholas - Dispense with reading of each EORG

3:00:26 ~ 12/8/2006 11:28:19 AM ~ Philp - P. Second on motion  P. 13 - School facilities.

3:00:50 ~ 12/8/2006 11:28:44 AM ~ Job - Bill for roads and utilities -

3:01:02 ~ 12/8/2006 11:28:55 AM ~ Philp - Dealt with that one.

3:01:23 ~ 12/8/2006 11:29:17 AM ~ Sommers - Cap Const item  - Not deal with second page.

3:01:41 ~ 12/8/2006 11:29:34 AM ~ Philp - Page 13 - operation - Gov Rec - Passed P. 18 - 11M Gov Red - Passed ;  P. 20  In favor - Motion passed;  Maj Main. p. 23 In favor - Passed; P 28 98M Gov Rec - List on p. 26.

3:03:25 ~ 12/8/2006 11:31:19 AM ~ Simpson- Clarification - priorities of health and safety - discussion - did we address those issues in adequate manner?

3:04:04 ~ 12/8/2006 11:31:58 AM ~ Berger

3:04:19 ~ 12/8/2006 11:32:12 AM ~ Simpson - Comfort in believing health and safety be addressed .

3:04:47 ~ 12/8/2006 11:32:41 AM ~ Nicholas - Appropriated dollars - const. in timely manner is another question.

3:05:09 ~ 12/8/2006 11:33:02 AM ~ Jones - Mr. McCDopnald felt legis was in total compliance with edit with courts.  Not sure if specific for health and safety issues

3:05:48 ~ 12/8/2006 11:33:42 AM ~ Hines - During facility meetings - brought up issued - elementary school much more than high school.  Is that addressing that concern?

3:06:33 ~ 12/8/2006 11:34:26 AM ~ Mike - Look on p. 26 - could be subject to change - Starting with Lar. Co.  First 4 projects for Lar. Co.  _

3:07:12 ~ 12/8/2006 11:35:05 AM ~ Hines - Not aware of individual schools - talking about

3:07:36 ~ 12/8/2006 11:35:30 AM ~ Berger - Comment on Mike ODonel .  Schools being built to replace somewhat adequate schools.   List took care of that.

3:08:18 ~ 12/8/2006 11:36:12 AM ~ Simpson - Does prioritize funding issues?

3:08:40 ~ 12/8/2006 11:36:33 AM ~ Mike - Footnote allows commission - laundry list of project.  Simply in terms of our priorty here is a list and proceed in that fashion.

3:09:25 ~ 12/8/2006 11:37:18 AM ~ Sommers - List on p. 26 - Pull projects from 5 year plan.  Health and safety projects would have higher rating than other.

3:09:59 ~ 12/8/2006 11:37:52 AM ~ Philp - Statute requirements

3:10:23 ~ 12/8/2006 11:38:17 AM ~ Anderson - Narrative on p.29.  Priority - MVTV - School is working on more articulate way to identify priorties.i

3:11:20 ~ 12/8/2006 11:39:13 AM ~ Simpsone - Don't think it is addressed in footnote - and budget.  Want to make sure addressing health and safety first.

3:11:59 ~ 12/8/2006 11:39:52 AM ~ Nicholas - We have committee to prioritize.  We have approp funds to do all projects.  Unless somethin off list it is irrelevant.  If emergency - can place something on the list.  Question of planning.

3:12:54 ~ 12/8/2006 11:40:47 AM ~ Simpson - We can vote this.  My issues beyond today.  Whether school facitities com. direct health and safety.

3:13:35 ~ 12/8/2006 11:41:28 AM ~ Nicholas -

3:13:41 ~ 12/8/2006 11:41:34 AM ~ Sommers - Can get Dave Nelson to address concerns

3:13:57 ~ 12/8/2006 11:41:51 AM ~ Simpsone - Would rather proceed today and address this at another time when I've had time to think it through.

3:14:33 ~ 12/8/2006 11:42:26 AM ~ Philp - Gov. Rec - Motion passed.

3:14:46 ~ 12/8/2006 11:42:39 AM ~ Philp - page 30 In favor - Motion passed.;

3:15:05 ~ 12/8/2006 11:42:59 AM ~ Case _ Motion to propose footnote - Conccptual - Slow process for building - purpose is not to get in way of funding - if not a need to fund right away.  Get max dollars for project.

3:16:35 ~ 12/8/2006 11:44:29 AM ~ Jorgenson- Mike ODonnel - thought we were in compliance with directive.  No excuse for further challenges.  School com is dealing with priorities.  Any intention to slow down for some other purpose is not a wise thing to do.

3:17:53 ~ 12/8/2006 11:45:46 AM ~ Nicholas - I'm not that concerned with meeting our constitutional obligations.  If those people would make decisions on theri own would move forward with project.  History tells us inflation erodes as advantage of delaying projects.  If compare cost to cost in Utah, - 5 years  No way to anticipate that now.  Pay the Wy factor now or inflation factor later.

3:19:42 ~ 12/8/2006 11:47:35 AM ~ Peterson - Construction going on all over.  Material issues, employee issues.  Three districts talked to was not in barn burning about getting it built.  Can re-bid - Labor surplus.  Support footnote.

3:20:44 ~ 12/8/2006 11:48:37 AM ~ Case - Good points brought up.  Mr. ODonnel - Could slow down.  Safety and crowded schools.  Cap Fac. comes up with projects.  This is way to pay attention to what court has directed.  Nicholas mentioned about the Wy factor.  Almost halft elsewhere.  Swamped - why are we doing this all at once?  How do we grow workforce?  If we try to do all at once - max out of state.  We can't decide - give com. direction.  Need to approp. money now so money will always be there to do projects.

3:24:02 ~ 12/8/2006 11:51:55 AM ~ Jorgenson - two points - Wy factor question - can remediate over time.  Many projects are on borders where out of state companies are available.  Increases in cost every year.  It's predictable.  Unfair to give com. directive without specific perameters.3

3:25:26 ~ 12/8/2006 11:53:19 AM ~ Hines - Complaints is school com. too slow.  More problems if go slow.  Want service right now.

3:26:05 ~ 12/8/2006 11:53:59 AM ~ Anderson - Expertise behind this is good.  Horse race.  Private sector - com college is gearing up.  If we direct Facilities Com to slow down, must address large picture.  Must slow down whole process.  Global view.  Form common stategy.

3:27:45 ~ 12/8/2006 11:55:38 AM ~ Case - Only people can do this is right in this room.  Worst thing to do is to tell them how to prioritize.  Should look at things all over state.  Still build state gov. buildings.

3:29:11 ~ 12/8/2006 11:57:04 AM ~ Philp - Why build inflation protection if slowing down

3:29:34 ~ 12/8/2006 11:57:27 AM ~ Case - Cap Sch Fac Com. will give numbers.  Future dollars not present dollars.  Cap Fac Com can bring projects at appropriate time

3:30:26 ~ 12/8/2006 11:58:19 AM ~ Jorgensen - By doing this - in some way make funds available for other things in interim.  If  funds available, will use for other project.

3:31:04 ~ 12/8/2006 11:58:57 AM ~ Philp - In favor - failed

3:31:16 ~ 12/8/2006 11:59:09 AM ~ Philp - Close - Moved and seconded to close school fac. com. Passed

3:31:39 ~ 12/8/2006 11:59:32 AM ~ Philp - State Engineer - Whole thing - Pull anything out? In favor - to accpt Gov Rec. -  Passed.  Close budget - passed.

3:32:56 ~ 12/8/2006 12:00:49 PM ~ Philp- Fire Prevention & Elec Safety - p. 14 Gov. Rec - Passed ; p. 20 Gov  Rec - in favor - passed - Close budget - infavor - passed.

3:34:13 ~ 12/8/2006 12:02:06 PM ~ Philp - Geolog Survey - Gov Rec.

3:34:27 ~ 12/8/2006 12:02:20 PM ~ Warren - Make amendment on p. 12 - data base required on Atlantic Rim area - 201,254.  Reason for that - area of tremendous development.  Need to look at what is going on in this area.  Area will continue to develop.  Assessment & work would provide win win.

3:36:12 ~ 12/8/2006 12:04:05 PM ~ Jorgenson - Suppoort item.  Advantage to have data available before decision made.  Access to info. helpful in determining impacts.  Perfect example of where state needs to be more awareof resources.

3:37:25 ~ 12/8/2006 12:05:18 PM ~ Warren - p.10 2,000 to 2,500 wells in this area.  Amount of revenues that could come to state - this is worthy investment.

3:38:05 ~ 12/8/2006 12:05:58 PM ~ Nicholas - Significantly increased size of agency in past few years.

3:38:29 ~ 12/8/2006 12:06:22 PM ~ Warren - To use existing staff is no feasible.

3:38:50 ~ 12/8/2006 12:06:43 PM ~ Jones - Against motion - Atlantic Rim - come back in budget sesssion

3:39:20 ~ 12/8/2006 12:07:13 PM ~ Nicholas - Agency is here to identify minerals -

3:39:48 ~ 12/8/2006 12:07:41 PM ~ Jorgenson =- Exploit is not good choice of word.  Ability of state to know what extent of minerals is important.  Agency does have some expertise to identify this.  Ask for more monitoring and need to know is necessary.

3:41:12 ~ 12/8/2006 12:09:05 PM ~ Job - Support motion - When talking to constituents - provide us with information - 18 month delay in gathering data.

3:42:13 ~ 12/8/2006 12:10:06 PM ~ Nicholas - Look at stauatory role and authority of this group Wy is proactive in identifying minerals.  Area where industry is targeted and have given agency lot of employees.

3:43:20 ~ 12/8/2006 12:11:13 PM ~ Jorgenson - Develop pace of activity

3:43:31 ~ 12/8/2006 12:11:24 PM ~ Philp - Motion to restore positions Gov denied - Motion failed  In favor - motion failed.

3:44:01 ~ 12/8/2006 12:11:54 PM ~ Simpson - Move we approve Yellowstone Volcano and replace every state employee computer every three years we could replace Volcanic rim every 30 years.  Earth quakes - monitoring - likely event of catastrophic event is fairly low.  Why we have seismic equipment that old is beyond me.

3:45:59 ~ 12/8/2006 12:13:52 PM ~ Peterson - Support motion - Seismic activity in that part of state exists down into Utah. Not reliable.  Looking at ground movement is important factor.  Knew something was going to happen at Mt. St. Helens.  Possible dome building on Yellowstone Lake.  Need equipment to monitor.

3:47:31 ~ 12/8/2006 12:15:24 PM ~ Nicholas -Fed. Lands

3:47:39 ~ 12/8/2006 12:15:33 PM ~ Jorgenson - 3 things As I recall. Look at map lava flowed  away from Cody.  2 - Can wait a year 3. Dome not due to increase in magma flow.  Few of sensors have been replaced by Fed Agency.

3:49:09 ~ 12/8/2006 12:17:02 PM ~ Simpson - Gov. comment on Fed not funding issued state will pick up.  This is one of health and safety issues.  Dams in Teton Co.  earthquake fears led to remake of the dam.  Sensor activities where crust is thinnest.

3:50:45 ~ 12/8/2006 12:18:38 PM ~ Jorgenson - Specific instances. Hardly ever water behind dam.

3:51:17 ~ 12/8/2006 12:19:11 PM ~ Job - Earthquakes - not adequate warning system.

3:51:54 ~ 12/8/2006 12:19:47 PM ~ Philp - Restore Yellowstone Grid - Motion failed.  Division - in favor - motion failed.

3:52:20 ~ 12/8/2006 12:20:14 PM ~ Philp - Anything else on geology.  Motion is Gov Rec. Passed Motion on GSur. Bud. - Passed.

3:53:01 ~ 12/8/2006 12:20:54 PM ~ Philp - Break for lunch - 12:30.

3:53:16 ~ 12/8/2006 12:21:09 PM ~ Philp - DOT First on p.13; Computer equipment and troopers p. 11 EORG on p. 13; Motion Gov Rec -

3:54:13 ~ 12/8/2006 12:22:06 PM ~ Nicholas - Delete 15 new positions.  Lots of things not funded. Way of priorities - I'd fund corrections.

3:55:07 ~ 12/8/2006 12:23:00 PM ~ Warren - Unfair comparison - growing and not giveing protection on roads We keep bringing this up and people want this.  Need to keep all these truckers  from going across our state.

3:56:21 ~ 12/8/2006 12:24:14 PM ~ Philp - Motion to delete 15 highway troopers Motion passed  Highway patrol as amended - Motion passed ; p. 21

3:57:16 ~ 12/8/2006 12:25:09 PM ~ Nicholas -

3:57:32 ~ 12/8/2006 12:25:25 PM ~ Philp - Gov Rec Motion passed.

3:57:48 ~ 12/8/2006 12:25:41 PM ~ Philp - p.27 Motion gov rec. - 18M  - No 893 - Motion passed. Now on airport improv. 18M p.30;  Budget reserve - Motion to reduce to 9M ;

3:59:24 ~ 12/8/2006 12:27:17 PM ~ Sommers -

3:59:29 ~ 12/8/2006 12:27:23 PM ~ Nicholas - Ignore that rec. and have 9M come from gen funds.

3:59:53 ~ 12/8/2006 12:27:46 PM ~ Philp-I n favor - motion passed.;  Air improvements - aye; Next one is p.37 surface transp. projects; Oh that is a big one 162.  On to the big one

4:01:08 ~ 12/8/2006 12:29:02 PM ~ Nicholas - Move to reduce from 162 to 136M and funded from gen fund and not PMTF deposit.

4:01:50 ~ 12/8/2006 12:29:43 PM ~ Sommers - Gov letter - No. 2.

4:02:08 ~ 12/8/2006 12:30:01 PM ~ Simpson - Why 136 M and not what is requested.

4:02:30 ~ 12/8/2006 12:30:23 PM ~ Philp - Motion as stands now is 98M  98,plus as stated in book.

4:03:02 ~ 12/8/2006 12:30:55 PM ~ Hines - Can't figure out wording, but putting money in agencies - should have some budgeting information when going into budgets we don't look at.  Other people have same concerns?  Should have process of gathering info on where funding is going.

4:04:37 ~ 12/8/2006 12:32:31 PM ~ Job - Highways had paid out of fuel taxes.  Trucks do considerable more damage than cars.  Historic way plus new ways not privileged to see info.  Popular political issue.

4:06:03 ~ 12/8/2006 12:33:56 PM ~ Jorgenson - Support Sen Job commments.  As we address issued such as health care - out of gen funds.  User taxes are heavily relied on to fund these improvements.  Heavy state support in Utah.  Do state support in fuel tax.  Transportation corridor.  It's going to be used.  Oppose gen funds for that.

4:07:44 ~ 12/8/2006 12:35:37 PM ~ Hines - Question to see if others had same thought.  Give me help to work on budget amendment when were in session.

4:08:19 ~ 12/8/2006 12:36:13 PM ~ Philp- Amendment to reduce Gov Rec.

4:08:34 ~ 12/8/2006 12:36:28 PM ~ Jorgensen - Defer whole question of what we're going to do to gen session.

4:08:56 ~ 12/8/2006 12:36:50 PM ~ Philp - Good idea over lunch - Motion move back to agency 1.89M come out of gen fund. - Motion passed.  Go eat lunch.

4:09:55 ~ 12/8/2006 12:37:48 PM ~ Philp - Make it at 1:10.

4:10:29 ~ 12/8/2006 12:38:21 PM ~ Pause

4:10:29 ~ 12/8/2006 1:14:06 PM ~ Resume

4:10:29 ~ 12/8/2006 1:14:06 PM ~ Philp:  One important business item--3.75 for the pizza.   Pay to Shirley.  Back to

4:10:33 ~ 12/8/2006 1:14:10 PM ~ Philp:  Back to the DOT Budget, referenced  the governor's letter, 3 mill of appropriation

4:11:12 ~ 12/8/2006 1:14:49 PM ~ Anderson:  Move the gov letter number 2.

4:12:27 ~ 12/8/2006 1:16:04 PM ~ Philp:  All in favor say aye....Motion passed.

4:12:50 ~ 12/8/2006 1:16:27 PM ~ Steve:  They were going to make up the difference...

4:13:04 ~ 12/8/2006 1:16:41 PM ~ Job:  I have a motion, move that we delete the 98 mill and let it come through the committee.  Can have discussion with the whole body.  There we can have the debate.

4:13:53 ~ 12/8/2006 1:17:30 PM ~ Philp:  We have a motion and a second.  I assume that would make the gov letter number 2...

4:14:23 ~ 12/8/2006 1:18:00 PM ~ Nicholas:  Not sure I am opposed but as we begin to prioritize for the session I think we need to give some people a notion of what is happening.  You can come up with any different position but some place along the way we need to make a decison of where we should be.

4:15:33 ~ 12/8/2006 1:19:10 PM ~ Simpson:  Can we do that?  I think we need a placeholder for where we want to be.

4:16:03 ~ 12/8/2006 1:19:40 PM ~ Steve:  We must designate where the funds are coming from.

4:16:17 ~ 12/8/2006 1:19:54 PM ~ Job:  Funding for highways has been all over the news.  We are by default that not making a decision it is a decision.  That should not be an unintentional....

4:17:34 ~ 12/8/2006 1:21:11 PM ~ Philp:  Motion is to delete  All in favor, Motion failed.

4:17:50 ~ 12/8/2006 1:21:27 PM ~ Philp:  Further amendments.  Governor recomemend  pass

4:18:20 ~ 12/8/2006 1:21:57 PM ~ Philp:  Close the budget--pass.

4:18:34 ~ 12/8/2006 1:22:11 PM ~ Philp:  We are on the department of health.  Page 13 and 14,  Governors req all in favor--passed.  Next is  page 19 motion passed, next is page 25 gove req--motion passed, next is 28 medicare buyin-gove req-passed, page 34 gove req motion passed,  back on page 31 quality care man services--motion passed,  next on page 37 gov req, motion passed, page 41 gov req

4:22:48 ~ 12/8/2006 1:26:25 PM ~ Job:  Want to amend couple motions is to add 3,090 million for those 62 people in out of home placement.  Broke down in federal and general funds.

4:24:13 ~ 12/8/2006 1:27:50 PM ~ Berger:   Second.

4:24:19 ~ 12/8/2006 1:27:56 PM ~ Job:  I am not going to add alot we heard alot the other day.

4:24:43 ~ 12/8/2006 1:28:20 PM ~ Philp:  Is there a bill on this?

4:24:52 ~ 12/8/2006 1:28:29 PM ~ Job:  No although it is ..

4:25:01 ~ 12/8/2006 1:28:38 PM ~ Philp: Reiterated the motion.  Motion passed.

4:25:17 ~ 12/8/2006 1:28:54 PM ~ Job:  I have another for all waiver services.

4:25:34 ~ 12/8/2006 1:29:11 PM ~ Philp:  Division oon the last motion

4:25:47 ~ 12/8/2006 1:29:24 PM ~ Philp:  Motion passed.

4:25:54 ~ 12/8/2006 1:29:31 PM ~ Job:  Consistent with what we have done across the board in all agencies.  This would be to provide 3% across the board for inflationary factors. and the second would be a 2.5% increase in high impact areas.

4:26:55 ~ 12/8/2006 1:30:32 PM ~ Berger:  Second.

4:27:06 ~ 12/8/2006 1:30:43 PM ~ Nicholas:  Would like to have the motion divided to be able to vote on each part.

4:27:23 ~ 12/8/2006 1:31:00 PM ~ Job:  Taken care of increased salaries.  The bigger issue is that we have not given the agency any increase for utilities, etc.  This was done 15 years ago.  This would help, not catch them up.

4:28:33 ~ 12/8/2006 1:32:10 PM ~ Philp:  We are voting on the 3% increase.

4:28:48 ~ 12/8/2006 1:32:25 PM ~ Job:   Gave breakdown on the dollars---cola and that would be across all services.

4:29:18 ~ 12/8/2006 1:32:55 PM ~ Berger:  That was a recommendation by the DDA in committee.

4:29:38 ~ 12/8/2006 1:33:15 PM ~ Philp:  On the 3% increase all in favor.  Motion passed.

4:29:52 ~ 12/8/2006 1:33:29 PM ~ Philp:  All in favor raise your hands.  Motion passed.

4:30:17 ~ 12/8/2006 1:33:54 PM ~ Job:  This also comes out of the select committee--2,4 mill  gave breakdown in dollar amounts.  WCLI if they score over 100

4:31:16 ~ 12/8/2006 1:34:53 PM ~ Berger:  Second.

4:31:21 ~ 12/8/2006 1:34:58 PM ~ Philp:  All in favor.  Motion failed.

4:31:42 ~ 12/8/2006 1:35:19 PM ~ Case:  Add 400 K in the adult waiver for dental coverage in people with disabilities.  Medications are really bad for teeth.  Need to pay attention to this need.  Bad dental has many issues...This is double the money they get.

4:33:07 ~ 12/8/2006 1:36:44 PM ~ Philp:  All in favor...Motion failed.

4:33:30 ~ 12/8/2006 1:37:07 PM ~ Philp:  Gov req as amended. Motion passed.  We are on page 44. Motion passed.  Next is on page 47 ABI  gove req-motion passed.  Now on page 53 Motion gove req--passed. Next is for mental health, page 57.

4:35:03 ~ 12/8/2006 1:38:40 PM ~ Nicholas: move to delete funding on.....

4:35:22 ~ 12/8/2006 1:38:59 PM ~ Nicholas:  Handout shows this as  167K

4:35:59 ~ 12/8/2006 1:39:36 PM ~ Steve:  The money in the gov budget it is for one year.  It is a three month figure because the building will not open until May.

4:36:28 ~ 12/8/2006 1:40:05 PM ~ Simpson:  This request was for addl beds.  The funding is between ...  The bill will start in the SEnate.  Fair amount of discussion.  This is not in line with the regional care.  Discussion from provider who suggested we need 500 beds.  Certainly think this is a policy issue.  Should not be driven by Natrona to build a facility.

4:37:58 ~ 12/8/2006 1:41:35 PM ~ Jorgenson:  Do you know what the distribuiton is.

4:38:12 ~ 12/8/2006 1:41:49 PM ~ Simpson:  It was asked and Natrona county was about 23% of the need.  Not a very good answer to the question.  No good reason except that they are willing to do it.

4:39:13 ~ 12/8/2006 1:42:50 PM ~ Philp:  Motion is to delte the 3.

4:39:23 ~ 12/8/2006 1:43:00 PM ~ Simpson:  There was a 1 mill in Casper and was identified as carryover.

4:39:53 ~ 12/8/2006 1:43:30 PM ~ Philp:  All in favor to delte the approp. Motion passed.

4:40:18 ~ 12/8/2006 1:43:55 PM ~ Philp:  Next is 61,62, 63.

4:40:44 ~ 12/8/2006 1:44:21 PM ~ Nicholas: Move to delete funding on page 64 on special projects and request judiciary have an early hearing to address.  Have them decide if it is appropriate.

4:41:30 ~ 12/8/2006 1:45:07 PM ~ Philp:  I guess we should vote against the eorg.  All those in favor of the eorg--failed.  Next one is ...

4:42:19 ~ 12/8/2006 1:45:56 PM ~ Nicholas:  We need to make sure thato ne does go to the judiciary staff to make sure it is a priority.

4:42:45 ~ 12/8/2006 1:46:22 PM ~ Simpson:  ...added language about county of patient...language is stricken.  That will be effective immediately.  Address the issue of immediate funding.  Cost savings to the state.  Local hospitals, contracted rate is much lower.

4:43:48 ~ 12/8/2006 1:47:25 PM ~ Jorgenson:  Do those placements other than state hospital...

4:44:03 ~ 12/8/2006 1:47:40 PM ~ Simpson:  They do have to be designated hosp[itals.

4:44:18 ~ 12/8/2006 1:47:55 PM ~ Philp:   Moving on to page 67 state traing school.  gov req--motion passed; next div on aging gove req--motion passed; next is 76 vet home gov req--motion passed;  next is retirement center, gov req motion passed.  Motion is that health closed--motion passed.

4:46:23 ~ 12/8/2006 1:50:00 PM ~ Philp:  Now we are on to family servisces page 13, girls school, gov req motion passed;

4:47:07 ~ 12/8/2006 1:50:44 PM ~ Simpson:  Page 13  I would move to ---not sure where this should go--funding for the group homes 1.3 mill discussion was about that.  They would honor the 125 dollar bed rate.  Not asking for more money.  5 of the last 6 biennium they have had to come for emergency funds.  Move that we fund for fyo7 for those youth group providers....Daily crisis rate was funded for two years and this was only funded for one.

4:49:32 ~ 12/8/2006 1:53:09 PM ~ Philp:  All in favor say aye--motion passed.

4:49:49 ~ 12/8/2006 1:53:26 PM ~ Philp:  Famil services budget passed.  Next is livestock board.  We can move that as one.  All those in favor say aye.  Budget passed.

4:50:37 ~ 12/8/2006 1:54:14 PM ~ Philp:  Next is licensing board.  all those in favor say aye--motion passed.,  Next is board of nursing---building rental and special revenue--gov req motion passed.  All in favor say aye--passed.  All in favor of board of nursing--motion bassed.

4:52:15 ~ 12/8/2006 1:55:52 PM ~ Philp:  Community College Commission---page 11 gov req--motion passed; next is state aid to colleges--page 15 gove req--motion passed; Veteran's waiver page 19

4:53:36 ~ 12/8/2006 1:57:13 PM ~ Simpson: No

4:53:41 ~ 12/8/2006 1:57:18 PM ~ Philp:  all in favor--motion passed.

4:53:55 ~ 12/8/2006 1:57:32 PM ~ Case:  I'll move whatever it takes --159K  I think we should be able to fund it---get it over with.

4:54:28 ~ 12/8/2006 1:58:05 PM ~ Philp:Berger.

4:54:37 ~ 12/8/2006 1:58:14 PM ~ Berger:  What budget would that come from?

4:54:51 ~ 12/8/2006 1:58:28 PM ~ Philp:  General fund...  All in favor motion passed.;  Public tv- motion passed, on to page 28.

4:55:59 ~ 12/8/2006 1:59:36 PM ~ Nicholas:  Want to delete capital funding.

4:56:16 ~ 12/8/2006 1:59:53 PM ~ Philp:  Page 31, western wy

4:56:31 ~ 12/8/2006 2:00:08 PM ~ Nicholas:  Vote no for the same reason.

4:56:53 ~ 12/8/2006 2:00:30 PM ~ Jorgenson:  Said for the same reason--what is the reason.

4:57:29 ~ 12/8/2006 2:01:06 PM ~ Steve:  You were voting to vote no on the gov req.  When the gov req fails the funds are witped out.

4:57:55 ~ 12/8/2006 2:01:32 PM ~ Philp:  Do you want to go back to that?

4:58:06 ~ 12/8/2006 2:01:43 PM ~ Nicholas:  Capital fundiing for facilities- we do not generally approve.  They have bonding capabilities .  We did agree last year.... If we take on community colleges and you make it statewide commission and we should make a state wide tax.  Right now the communities should fund their own.  My best guess is that if we were going to fund it we would not pick Gillerre where there are housing issues.

5:00:19 ~ 12/8/2006 2:03:56 PM ~ Philp:  Petersen.

5:00:33 ~ 12/8/2006 2:04:10 PM ~ Philp:  He is speaking against the gov req.  We are voting on EWC.  I went back to is.  Motion failed.; Now we are going to Western..  Page 31, gove req...

5:01:54 ~ 12/8/2006 2:05:31 PM ~ Job:  I would ask for a different outcome for this req.  They have done remarkable things...industry has stepped up. Specific to workforce development.

5:02:34 ~ 12/8/2006 2:06:11 PM ~ Philp:  All in favor--motion failed; next is northern, gov req-motion failed;  LCCC page 38, gov req  motion failed, Central Wyo college, gov req  motion paseed; next it is Casper college page 45 gov req motion passed; Casper college--motion passed; complete agency 57, closed motion passed.  Now to agency 60; first one is surface operations gov req motion passed; sub surface, motion passed; IT  page 23 gove req motion passed; page 27, forestry gov req  motion passed; county suppression. Senator Nicholas.

5:07:14 ~ 12/8/2006 2:10:51 PM ~ Nicholas:  Maybe should approve the funding.

5:07:29 ~ 12/8/2006 2:11:06 PM ~ Philp:  All approved--motion passed.

5:07:41 ~ 12/8/2006 2:11:18 PM ~ Nicholas:  Want to make sure that the amount will not revert.

5:07:59 ~ 12/8/2006 2:11:36 PM ~ McVey:  They already have that language. Where you want ot footnote would be on pages 29 and 30.

5:08:52 ~ 12/8/2006 2:12:29 PM ~ Nicholas:  Why do we want this not to revert. I think this one whould revert.

5:09:34 ~ 12/8/2006 2:13:11 PM ~ Steve:  This is a...we should put a footnote on this one and that the money would transfer to general funds.  On forestry division...expended funds...end of biennium..600 series.  unexpended transfer to fire suppression account.

5:10:42 ~ 12/8/2006 2:14:19 PM ~ Nicholas:  Let's do that

5:10:49 ~ 12/8/2006 2:14:26 PM ~ Philp:  Motion and second  All in favor--passed.  Steve:  transferred to county suppression account.

5:11:50 ~ 12/8/2006 2:15:27 PM ~ Philp:  ...all in favor say aye.  Motion passed.  Gov req--motion passed.

5:12:16 ~ 12/8/2006 2:15:53 PM ~ Philp:  Mineral impact page 35.

5:12:26 ~ 12/8/2006 2:16:03 PM ~ Nicholas:  Like to delete gov req and further approve total of 100 mill for city, towns and counties...

5:13:47 ~ 12/8/2006 2:17:24 PM ~ Philp:  General fund?

5:13:54 ~ 12/8/2006 2:17:31 PM ~ Nicholas: Yes

5:13:58 ~ 12/8/2006 2:17:35 PM ~ Philp:  In favor--motion passed

5:14:11 ~ 12/8/2006 2:17:48 PM ~ Nicholas:  Second handout this morning Three distribuition amounts..100 mill dollars and also the flow sheet and the table with....The gov message note is that we have a mechanism to getfunds to the counties, obect of this exercise was to make more direct fudning and use less SLIB dollars.  100 mill is budgeted for cities, towns and counties...discretionary funding, those dollars are dist one third to counties and 2/3 to cities.  Based on population with a guaranteed amount.  Rev challenge distributed in the same present method.  Area called special allocations....SLIB board..impacted cities...5% for emergencies for SLIB board...leaves 48.7 mill to be ditributed to cities, towns and counties.  Population adjustment..total allocation..still dollars for non impacted communities..total  includes the 15 mill  These funds  are for capital projects...mechanism is the same...purpose to do is if you don't use method...small communities get very little..direct formula, second page is 12 mill dollarsweighted sales tax...criticism...6 mill for discretiary..formula used..same formulas, allocations makes it...discretiary spending, SLIB is not spending so much time in communities, direct allocation for cities, towns and counties.

5:22:50 ~ 12/8/2006 2:26:27 PM ~ Hines:  I think I like this but i don''t know if I understand it much.  This is the fourth formula we have used.  I am wondering if it would be possible to leave the current formula and and get this out to the cities towns and counties and get their recaction over the next six weeks.  Would there be benefit to getting the pros and cons.  More input would make me feel more comfortable.

5:24:28 ~ 12/8/2006 2:28:05 PM ~ Nicholas:  Good comment.  We were charged to come up with the formula.  Simply don't have a good formula.  Percentages you see are not arbitrary.  Last distributions were put out based on this.  Proposed in future years...go back to first allocations we made...this is sot of that allocation.  In the last allocation we gave a much larger % to the SLIB board. Increases what communities will get and they will have to decide on their spending.  We decide her what county gets the money.  We won't let somebody be a hold out.  The notion is the same.  The only part that has changed is that we used the weighted sales tax.  I guess we have a corresponding proposal that takes the corresponding funding and to require that it be budgeted that way in the future.  I want to see if this works.  Would like to get this adopted and get the criticism.

5:28:30 ~ 12/8/2006 2:32:07 PM ~ Simposn:  Last two pages...2 mill what happened to the other 2 mill?

5:29:00 ~ 12/8/2006 2:32:37 PM ~ Steve:  I am looking at the handout that says 100 mill at the top.   Nicholas:  Put out the model sooner than later.  Let them shew on it for the next few weeks.

5:30:37 ~ 12/8/2006 2:34:14 PM ~ Simpson:  Our municipalities are upset with the SLIB board process.  On the allocation the total capital budget...component of the municipalities..not part of this is it?

5:31:32 ~ 12/8/2006 2:35:09 PM ~ Nicholas:  Yes there has to be a mechanism. We want it to be distributed...Did we adopt that?

5:32:02 ~ 12/8/2006 2:35:39 PM ~ Steve:  What are you talking about?

5:32:12 ~ 12/8/2006 2:35:49 PM ~ Nicholas...how they are allocated.

5:32:22 ~ 12/8/2006 2:35:59 PM ~ Steve: 70% of municipalities population.

5:32:42 ~ 12/8/2006 2:36:19 PM ~ Simpson:  Which dollars would still req that process.  Of the 48 mill we would still have that process. In park county that process works.  Pretty good concensus process.

5:33:36 ~ 12/8/2006 2:37:13 PM ~ Jorgenson:  Would like to be understand the formulas so we could explain it before we come down.

5:34:01 ~ 12/8/2006 2:37:38 PM ~ Philp:  I would like the local governments to tell us what they think.  Handout from LSO..  Last page major state funding is 891 mill.   I would like to use the formula that we have now.

5:35:20 ~ 12/8/2006 2:38:57 PM ~ Nicholas:  Everything in here is the formula we have been using.  discretionary funding ..you have to determine how much...cities distribution--two differnet formulas...which one do you use.  I propose we do not use the wieghted sales tax.  4% allorcation for the special allocation, the only thing new is the 48 mill the mechanism is already in place.  What do you mean...what do you want to use...existing formulas, % that goes to SLIB and % of dirct distribution.  Gov wants it all to go through the SLIB board.

5:37:56 ~ 12/8/2006 2:41:33 PM ~ Hines:  Page 36 it shows 136 mill that we appropriated last winter, we would be using the same ratio or a more direct distribution.

5:38:51 ~ 12/8/2006 2:42:28 PM ~ Nicholas:  Yes.

5:38:58 ~ 12/8/2006 2:42:35 PM ~ Steve:  We distributed based on several sections...the other discretionary would be distributed based on that 3..section we created las year.  We wld just have to add to the second distribution...split ...second appropriation and distribute on the second date.  We would have to add this money to the second distribution.  Not clear on the base amount.  We may have to look at that.  That is my basic understanding.  We would have to make that fir into the second distribution.  4 mill would be distributed in half.  That is how the second ...sopecial allocation that would go into section 317.  Emergency capital reserve...SLIB would hold...then we would go to....The 48 mill we do not have a distribution..would have to develop language to distribute.  that to me is a new component.  On the 15 mill that would be added in on top of the 48 mill.  Combination.

5:43:27 ~ 12/8/2006 2:47:04 PM ~ Nicholas:  I have another handout it would be helpful for everyone to see it.  Look at distribution, lessen communities going to the SLIB, have money for impact....future support.  The handout will have info for proposal...applied it to this..distribution...allocation were a fair distribution.  Impact assistance.

5:45:12 ~ 12/8/2006 2:48:49 PM ~ Job:  A point of inf first.  Companion piece to that...august 10th...revenue generated by.....add it all together it is 1....billion.A comment on motion..not suppose to legislate in th budget bill. Amaze at the complexities of what we legislate instead of giving it to the towns, counties, etc to.  Not sure what purpose it serves.  Figure out one sound reasonable distribution process.

5:47:39 ~ 12/8/2006 2:51:16 PM ~ Hines:  Whiichever the decision I need a white paper that allows me to explain on Tuesday.  I'm warning you ahead oftime.

5:48:12 ~ 12/8/2006 2:51:49 PM ~ Nicholas:  Job is right on the money.  Formula was the charge we were given but the distribution process also has to be fair.  Here is the handout so that you can look at the flow sheet, appropriation  for mineral...SLIB funds...not proposing to change that...component that is direct to all entities.  1/3 to counties and 2/3 to cities and towns.  Common fund...emergency reserve...how much can we send out block and how much do we hold back for emergencies.  Amount of distribution...Revenue challenged...Slib dollars which included the 35 mill.  Question from Job what is a reasonable amount they can expect...federal mineral royaltys, discretianary mineral reserve...outlined how he came to the entire amount and they can get that forever.  If we had a bill ...The formula is such that we get more money on the first ...followed the recommendation we had...SLib dollars 57.5%.  Charge was to get more money to cities and towns so they don't have to come and beg forit ...Went through his examples.    Sounty allocation....70% representing the counties...purpose was to do exactly what you described.

5:54:48 ~ 12/8/2006 2:58:25 PM ~ Nicholas:  that's it...

5:55:18 ~ 12/8/2006 2:58:55 PM ~ Philp:  Let's take a break.  10 minutes.

5:55:36 ~ 12/8/2006 2:59:11 PM ~ Pause

5:55:36 ~ 12/8/2006 3:10:52 PM ~ Resume

5:55:39 ~ 12/8/2006 3:10:56 PM ~ Resume

5:56:32 ~ 12/8/2006 3:11:49 PM ~ Nicholas - Gone at 5:00.  Leave 100M in.  At com permission have staff draft language.  Assign - If don't have co. rep. ; city rep not able to circulate among membership.

5:57:58 ~ 12/8/2006 3:13:15 PM ~ Philp - Suppoort - Have staff draft language and we can move on.

5:58:26 ~ 12/8/2006 3:13:43 PM ~ Philp - In favor - passed  Completes Agency 060.

5:58:59 ~ 12/8/2006 3:14:15 PM ~ McVey - Gov rec on p.35 is two pieces.  Does Nicholas motion take care of both.

5:59:28 ~ 12/8/2006 3:14:44 PM ~ Nicholas - Adopt Gov rec. to complete Gov royalty program  Motion - Passed

6:00:02 ~ 12/8/2006 3:15:19 PM ~ Philp - Agency budget 060 - Passed

6:00:19 ~ 12/8/2006 3:15:35 PM ~ Philp - 067 - UW - P. 30 - base funding - Motion is Gov Rec - In favor - passed.  Next is cap fac match p.35.

6:01:35 ~ 12/8/2006 3:16:51 PM ~ Nicholas - Struggle with 10M component on p.34.  UW brings priorities - UW is asking for 10M and then find out what donors want to spend.  Next item on agenda is college of business.  Earmark 10M to college of business.

6:02:48 ~ 12/8/2006 3:18:05 PM ~ Jorgenson- Support that.  Building for school of energy resources.  Not criticizing thrust of program.  Like explanation on this.

6:03:39 ~ 12/8/2006 3:18:56 PM ~ Nicholas - Just say 25M cannot be utilized until UW comes back with plan.  Construct what donor want is not good policy.  Motion   In favor - motion passed.

6:04:53 ~ 12/8/2006 3:20:09 PM ~ Sommers - 10M set aside - cannot expend until approval from legis.  Cap fac match in line item 15M and with another 15M for the same purpose.  What they are looking for is approval for the 15 and the other 15.  Both appropriated for match.  Specified 6M for athleltics and another for ...

6:06:40 ~ 12/8/2006 3:21:57 PM ~ Nicholas - Not let them build facility if not in line with long term plan. New facility not constructed unless endowment fund.

6:07:23 ~ 12/8/2006 3:22:40 PM ~ Sommers - Not statuatory

6:07:35 ~ 12/8/2006 3:22:52 PM ~ Nicholas - if UW uses matching fund - should have that sinking fund.  Clarify - restriction to bring plan before spending 25M - Motion passed.  Amendment for facilities for 25M - a sinking fund be made.

6:09:02 ~ 12/8/2006 3:24:19 PM ~ Sommers - Applied to these projects?

6:09:12 ~ 12/8/2006 3:24:29 PM ~ Nicholas - Look at new projects.

6:09:23 ~ 12/8/2006 3:24:39 PM ~ Philp - Second

6:09:30 ~ 12/8/2006 3:24:47 PM ~ Jorgenson - Univ add 15% for maintenance.

6:09:56 ~ 12/8/2006 3:25:12 PM ~ Sommers - Operation & maintenance.  Language inserted for operation of maintenance.  Not applied language to things in last couple of years.

6:10:37 ~ 12/8/2006 3:25:54 PM ~ Nicholas - Start building massive construction - are we prepared to do it?  Let's raise part of endowment.

6:11:12 ~ 12/8/2006 3:26:29 PM ~ Philp - Motion passed.  Okay. On cap fac. p.35 - passed.Wet lab p.39 - gov rec - passed.  Biological safety p. 45 - gov rec. -

6:12:29 ~ 12/8/2006 3:27:45 PM ~ Nicholas - Recollection - amount recommended by Cathcart is zero.

6:12:55 ~ 12/8/2006 3:28:11 PM ~ Jorgenson - This was denied by Gov.  In explanation Mr. Cathcart visited these fac.  Another year does not hurt.

6:13:53 ~ 12/8/2006 3:29:09 PM ~ Simpson - Motion to reduce to 3M

6:14:04 ~ 12/8/2006 3:29:21 PM ~ Philp - Now amunt is zero.  Let's go on and come back.  P. 45 Gov Red - passed ;   p. 51  4.3M  Gov Rec - Passed.  College of Business level 3 p.57  Gov Rec. - Passed  Concludes 067.  Motion passed

6:15:35 ~ 12/8/2006 3:30:51 PM ~ Philp - Agency 080 - p. 16.  Gov Rec.

6:15:57 ~ 12/8/2006 3:31:14 PM ~ Warren - Like to propose on p. 15 reinstate part on sex offenders.  Emphasise - definitely controversy whether treatment works.  If 50% - that is high figure.  172 elgible for parole before Jan.....  Don't make good decisions.  Treatment does't work.  Asking for repetition - save more if half of these guys - save 50%.  Funding put in budget.

6:18:23 ~ 12/8/2006 3:33:40 PM ~ Philp - In favor - Motion passed.  Clarify for 778,000.   Further amendments.  Health services - Passed.  P.20 Gov rec. - passed; Field services - p.28 - that was Gov Rec - passed.  P.33 - Gov Rec - passed.  p.38 - Gov Rec. - motion passed ; p44. Gov Rec - passed.; p.49  Gov Rec - passed.  p.55 - In favor - motion passed; p.60  program services - Gov Rec - passed;  Honor farm - p67 Gov Rec - passed; p.72 - Gov Rec - passed;  p.76 In favor - passed;  State Pen p.82 - in favor - passed;  State Pen p.86 - In favor - passed; Med cor. inst.  p.92 - Needs amendment - recommend 37435,03.  Motion to increase - Motion failed.  Division - In favor ?  Motion passed.  Completes Dept. of correction.  Passed.

6:25:44 ~ 12/8/2006 3:41:01 PM ~ Philp - Agency 151 -

6:26:07 ~ 12/8/2006 3:41:23 PM ~ Nicholas - Deny all gov rec.

6:26:18 ~ 12/8/2006 3:41:35 PM ~ Philp - P.13 Gov rec  - in favor - passed.   Motion Failed.

6:27:15 ~ 12/8/2006 3:42:31 PM ~ Philp - Take another vote?

6:27:26 ~ 12/8/2006 3:42:42 PM ~ Mike McVey - Problem with denying whole thing.  Dist. Att would not have enough money for rest of biennium.   p.9 of budget - right at bottom - calculation to get them through biennium.

6:28:39 ~ 12/8/2006 3:43:55 PM ~ Nicholas - A&I make mistake?

6:28:50 ~ 12/8/2006 3:44:07 PM ~ McVey - Try to adjust agencies - hired people and gave raises.

6:29:17 ~ 12/8/2006 3:44:34 PM ~ Philp - Money for hot spots?

6:29:27 ~ 12/8/2006 3:44:44 PM ~ McVey - Not to address these issues

6:29:43 ~ 12/8/2006 3:44:59 PM ~ Nicholas - Not have appropriation

6:29:57 ~ 12/8/2006 3:45:14 PM ~ Philp - Agency 167 - p.16.  Gov rec In favor - passed.  P19 - Gov Rec - Passed;  p.23 Gov Rec - motion passed.  Motion is to close - passed.  Education 205 - p.11 - p.9  external cost gov rec - passed. p.11- gov rec - passed;  p.15 - motion passed; p.18 gov rec. - passed;  Budget 205 - motion passed.

6:33:06 ~ 12/8/2006 3:48:23 PM ~ Philp - Go to rules - Supreme Court Rec - 101 p. 10 - sp rec - in favor - motion passed.  Judicial retirement p.14. - in favor - passed. All in favor of s C - motion passed.  Admin.

6:35:12 ~ 12/8/2006 3:50:29 PM ~ Nicholas - Study

6:35:18 ~ 12/8/2006 3:50:34 PM ~ Philp -

6:35:25 ~ 12/8/2006 3:50:42 PM ~ Simpson - Not what it said.  It is a study.  Leads to a funding request.  Funding for legal aid - trust accounts has dried up.  We're one of 10 states that don't fund any legal services.  Identify or set qualitications.  Think this important to understand.  People out there who have no access to justice system.  Domestic related  case - many in Wy domestic related.  People will just struggle - 10 calls /week maybe 20.  Mechanisms to help people.

6:37:57 ~ 12/8/2006 3:53:14 PM ~ Job - Support Rep Simpson.

6:38:15 ~ 12/8/2006 3:53:32 PM ~ Philp - Voting on p.6 of Board of law - Failed  In favor - motion passed.  That concludes that one.

6:39:08 ~ 12/8/2006 3:54:24 PM ~ Philp - Letter no. 1 -  That concludes Supreme Court.

6:39:42 ~ 12/8/2006 3:54:58 PM ~ Sommers - Gov. letter

6:40:02 ~ 12/8/2006 3:55:19 PM ~ Nicholas - With respect to water count #3 - change to 15M.

6:40:26 ~ 12/8/2006 3:55:43 PM ~ Simpson - second

6:40:33 ~ 12/8/2006 3:55:49 PM ~ Philp - Infavor - passed

6:40:44 ~ 12/8/2006 3:56:01 PM ~ Nicholas - Change to 5M - Wildlife trust fund.

6:41:00 ~ 12/8/2006 3:56:17 PM ~ Jogenson -- I'm supporting these items. Not fair thing.  Oppose this amendment.

6:42:06 ~ 12/8/2006 3:57:22 PM ~ Philp - Further discussion

6:42:22 ~ 12/8/2006 3:57:39 PM ~ Job - We live in development - people mourning loss of wildlife.  Hearing from old timers.  May need to reduce, but way too low.

6:43:02 ~ 12/8/2006 3:58:19 PM ~ Hines - Never had so many antelope.  Really becoming a problem in my area

6:43:31 ~ 12/8/2006 3:58:48 PM ~ Philp - In favor - motion failed.

6:43:59 ~ 12/8/2006 3:59:16 PM ~ Simpson - 10 M for wildlife trust and 1M for...    In favor - motion passed.

6:44:29 ~ 12/8/2006 3:59:46 PM ~ Sommers - 2nd page of handout - Business ready communities.

6:44:59 ~ 12/8/2006 4:00:16 PM ~ Nicholas - okay with it.

6:45:08 ~ 12/8/2006 4:00:24 PM ~ Jorgenson - Like to discuss this.  Town received a grant to purchased for a profit business.  Property not in municipality.  What we put in to be footnoted would be helpful

6:46:52 ~ 12/8/2006 4:02:09 PM ~ Nicholas - Make an allocation - there's tremendous resources to see who gets what funds.  Take all grants and add by county.  Like to have staff do analysis.  County decides what's important.  Use for economic development.  Looks like who get's what.

6:48:25 ~ 12/8/2006 4:03:42 PM ~ Peterson - Point out on map - every community was blessed in some fashion.  In my county - who shouts loudest .  % of allocation is intriguing.

6:49:20 ~ 12/8/2006 4:04:37 PM ~ Nicholas - Total for county looks like what we developed this morning.  Reason staff brought this over.

6:49:54 ~ 12/8/2006 4:05:11 PM ~ Simpson - Approp last year under 30.M.  Could put 100M in here and be gone in year.  Review of projects during year.

6:51:08 ~ 12/8/2006 4:06:25 PM ~ Sommers - Year before 28M

6:51:18 ~ 12/8/2006 4:06:34 PM ~ Philp - Motion was 35M

6:51:29 ~ 12/8/2006 4:06:46 PM ~ Case

6:51:36 ~ 12/8/2006 4:06:52 PM ~ Philp - In favor - motion passed.

6:51:59 ~ 12/8/2006 4:07:15 PM ~ Philp - Now Steve - Okay

6:52:21 ~ 12/8/2006 4:07:38 PM ~ Nicholas - Modification to 300 - St Treas. make payment to Hathaway on quarterly payments.  Just accelerates payments.

6:53:02 ~ 12/8/2006 4:08:19 PM ~ Sommers - Cut estimate in 4 pieces and make final adjustment at end.

6:53:25 ~ 12/8/2006 4:08:41 PM ~ Philp -

6:53:30 ~ 12/8/2006 4:08:47 PM ~ Nicholas - After Hathaway funded Treas rduce to 100M and move to corpus - Fiscal year - What this will do - We have enough revenue to more than adequately fund schools.  Our permanent land fund is about 1B in corpus.  Start with 100M each year we'll be fine.  Sale of non-renewable resources - gas.  Build up permanent fund.

6:55:49 ~ 12/8/2006 4:11:05 PM ~ Case - In lliew of ed trust fund.

6:56:04 ~ 12/8/2006 4:11:21 PM ~ Nicholas - This is ed trust fund.

6:56:13 ~ 12/8/2006 4:11:30 PM ~ Case - Any funds restricted?

6:56:24 ~ 12/8/2006 4:11:41 PM ~ Nicholas - Same as MTF Reserve account for reserve policy

6:56:49 ~ 12/8/2006 4:12:06 PM ~ Job - Innovative trust fund. - Created during Gov Sullivan's term.  Last year money proposed - none put in.

6:57:24 ~ 12/8/2006 4:12:41 PM ~ Nicholas - Permanent land fund - all goes into school foundation program.  After funding Hathaway 75M would go back into corpus.  If pick up another 50M it would go back into corpus as well.  Not long ago we were funding ed account.

6:58:38 ~ 12/8/2006 4:13:55 PM ~ Simpson - Hesitant to agree with that.  More inclined to view school foundation program as annual funding.

6:59:24 ~ 12/8/2006 4:14:41 PM ~ Philp - Motion - passed.

6:59:52 ~ 12/8/2006 4:15:09 PM ~ Philp - Any thing else?

7:00:04 ~ 12/8/2006 4:15:21 PM ~ Berger - On behalf of Rep Warren.  Rep Warren asked several agencies about energy efficiency.  Proof to reduce energy.  Energy usage - recycled product use - comparable measurable effort.  Report back in Jan 2007.  Facility manager

7:01:49 ~ 12/8/2006 4:17:05 PM ~ Sommers - Not every building has a gen manager.  Institutions do have.

7:02:11 ~ 12/8/2006 4:17:28 PM ~ Berger - Common word to use?

7:02:28 ~ 12/8/2006 4:17:45 PM ~ Job

7:02:32 ~ 12/8/2006 4:17:48 PM ~ Philp - In favor - motion failed.

7:03:11 ~ 12/8/2006 4:18:28 PM ~ Hines - Planning on this being my last meeting and thank everyone for the education.

7:03:37 ~ 12/8/2006 4:18:54 PM ~ Philp -

7:03:42 ~ 12/8/2006 4:18:58 PM ~ Sommers - Up to you - If anyone wants to change.  Capital construction - stuck all that in A&I That's what we'll do with this.  Cathcart can ramrod that whole deal.

7:04:32 ~ 12/8/2006 4:19:48 PM ~ Philp - Have them in there - so just an amendment.

7:04:52 ~ 12/8/2006 4:20:09 PM ~ Sommers - Next week or week after. - Can do that and ship out white rod.

7:05:22 ~ 12/8/2006 4:20:39 PM ~ Nicholas

7:05:29 ~ 12/8/2006 4:20:46 PM ~ Philp - Anything else?  Stand adjourned

7:05:44 ~ 12/8/2006 4:21:01 PM ~ Sommers - Take vote on bill

7:05:52 ~ 12/8/2006 4:21:09 PM ~ Philp - Move bill

7:06:02 ~ 12/8/2006 4:21:19 PM ~ Hines - Move bill

7:06:11 ~ 12/8/2006 4:21:28 PM ~ Nicholas - on spreadsheet

7:06:21 ~ 12/8/2006 4:21:37 PM ~ Simpson - Anything else on spreadsheet.

7:06:43 ~ 12/8/2006 4:21:59 PM ~ Philp Motion - In favor - Motion passed.  Ready for motion on bill ?  In favor - motion to draft bill - motion passed.  Thank you Mr. Co-chair.

7:07:44 ~ 12/8/2006 4:23:00 PM ~ Pause

7:07:44 ~ 12/8/2006 4:23:10 PM ~ Stop Recording