09-10 JAC BUDGET HEARINGS 01/27/09

09-10 JAC BUDGET HEARINGS 01/27/09 Session #1

0 ~ 1/27/2009 7:38:15 AM ~ JAC Budget Markup Day Two-- January 27, 2009

0 ~ 1/27/2009 7:38:15 AM ~ Start Recording

4 ~ 1/27/2009 7:38:18 AM ~ Berger: Happy Birthday to Mr. Pedersen...

22 ~ 1/27/2009 7:38:37 AM ~ Pedersen: I am almost old enough to retire to the Senate.

33 ~ 1/27/2009 7:38:48 AM ~ Berger: We are on agency 72...governor's req adopted.

1:22 ~ 1/27/2009 7:39:37 AM ~ Nicholas: With respect to the retirement issue I would make a motion to put 150 million from..

1:45 ~ 1/27/2009 7:40:00 AM ~ Steve: That is in a governor's letter and let's run through them all at once.

2:03 ~ 1/27/2009 7:40:17 AM ~ Berger: That closes out agency 72.. Let's vote on the agency 72 to close..

2:25 ~ 1/27/2009 7:40:40 AM ~ Berger: We are on agency 80 Department of Corrections...gov req on page 17..gove req all infavor...adopted..unit 1031 on page 21...gov rq...adopted...unit 1033 gove req adopted...next is unit 1034 and this is where we had a revision that starts on page 28...this is where the funds were transferred to the tobacco fund...gov req adopted...unit 1036...gov req...adopted...next is 1037

5:41 ~ 1/27/2009 7:43:56 AM ~ Massie: I have a question about how these beds are different than those beds in the department of Health.

6:06 ~ 1/27/2009 7:44:20 AM ~ Dawn: These beds are for inmates and that is the difference.

6:18 ~ 1/27/2009 7:44:33 AM ~ Berger: Call for the question all those in favor of gov req...motion carried...

6:34 ~ 1/27/2009 7:44:48 AM ~ Berger: Unit 1041...gov req all those in favor...motion carries....unit 2011..governor req all those in favor...the motion carries....next is unit 2013....governor req motion carried...2020 gov req motion carries...next is unit 3011 governor req motion carries..unit 3021...governor req all those in favor...

8:59 ~ 1/27/2009 7:47:14 AM ~ Meier: I think we are at 15K for a security gate...already by that one...I was thinking that was a fairly small amount or does this keep them from doing this?

9:49 ~ 1/27/2009 7:48:04 AM ~ the way I look at it is this is apretty cheap think...

10:07 ~ 1/27/2009 7:48:22 AM ~ Berger: We are on unit 3021...motion carries...unit 3022..governor's req...motion carries...unit 3032..governor's req...motion carries...unit 3034..motion carries...unit 4011...governor req..motion carries...unit 4012 governor's req..motion carries..unit 4021 governor's req..motion carries..unit 4022..governor's req..motion carries...unit 4031 motion carries...unit 4032..gov req motion carries...unit 5011 governor's req..motion carries...unit 5021..governor req...motion carries..5022...gov req..motion carries...unit....motion caries...5032...motion carries...unit 5071...governor req..motion carries..unit 6011 governor req...motion carries...unit 6022 governor req...motion carries...unit 9011...gove req..motion carries...unit 9012...page 160... gov req...motion carries...unit 9021..governor req..motion carries..unit 9022..governor req..motion carries...unit 9031..governor req..motion carries...unit 9032 governor req...motion carries..unit 9033..governor req motion carries..unit 9034...gov req motion carries..unit 9081 governor req..motion carries..unit 9091...governor req..motion carries...next is cap con...

17:27 ~ 1/27/2009 7:55:41 AM ~ Nicholas: On the B11 on the section 100s I think we use money for the housing and to recruit people from the midwest..do you recall whatelse they usedthe monies for...

18:04 ~ 1/27/2009 7:56:18 AM ~ Dawn: Only the things that were for recruiting people to staff the prison...that project is on hold..the cost of housing people in Rawlins while they are in training we let them use the money for hotels...in another source of funds..we have allowed them to use the money for those Casper beds and in the next budget they will come back in the general budget.

19:30 ~ 1/27/2009 7:57:44 AM ~ Nicholas: What I would like to do is revise that language that says that they can only use 100 series for people..Yesterday we made an exception for the Health Department..Now that we are putting in the money I would like to..general exception for recruitment, retention and housing...if they have vacancies and need to get people in...not using it for any other operation...I think it is just a general exception..

21:00 ~ 1/27/2009 7:59:15 AM ~ Steve: We put in a exception...footnote on their budget and that they would report to you. any transfers..

21:41 ~ 1/27/2009 7:59:56 AM ~ Nicholas: I would like to leave the reporting..

21:51 ~ 1/27/2009 8:00:06 AM ~ Steve: They basically can use it for anything.

22:04 ~ 1/27/2009 8:00:19 AM ~ Nicholas: I would like to put in language ...is that broad enough...we are putting more money into..if you don't use them..you don't use them..not allowing them to take them into the programs were not funded..that is my motion.

22:57 ~ 1/27/2009 8:01:12 AM ~ Meier: second...

23:03 ~ 1/27/2009 8:01:18 AM ~ Hammons: I don't remember if they ..are there anything that we just voted on that would be imopacted..

23:35 ~ 1/27/2009 8:01:49 AM ~ Dawn: Go to unit 1037...like those beds for the Casper beds...Hammons you may be thinking of when we let them use some of their vacancies for one time spending..this is the only thing we have allowed in this biennium.

24:24 ~ 1/27/2009 8:02:38 AM ~ Nicholas: Let us talk about this for one moment..this is for folks that are left on probation...let me find my first notes..that is the same recommendation that you had before...otherwise they just become slush funds for the agencies..I would ask for support for the motion and look at special..

25:58 ~ 1/27/2009 8:04:12 AM ~ Townsend: Would you think that you could add to your motion to include ..

26:15 ~ 1/27/2009 8:04:30 AM ~ Nicholas: I would prefer not to..if you want to fund the CAsper center...I know we did something else for the Health Department...let's be transparent..

26:59 ~ 1/27/2009 8:05:13 AM ~ Hammons: Well, I am puzzled by the process that we have a motion that would...I would like to ammend the motion for unit 1037...

27:37 ~ 1/27/2009 8:05:52 AM ~ Nciholasa: Speaking against the amendment this is for disipline for our 100 series...if we need to fund the beds ..we have the resources to fund the beds...better to force them into..I understand what the governor is doing...which means there are no revisions...there are reviersions... I say we go back in and open that unit and fund the money through general funds...in the end one of the hardest thingss for us to control is FTEs...

29:27 ~ 1/27/2009 8:07:42 AM ~ Hammons: Because this is a process question...it is simply hard to find the money...we are going to take an additional 1.3 million...so for me it is a really importnat thing for these prisoners...if we have the money in the existing budget...

30:38 ~ 1/27/2009 8:08:53 AM ~ Berger: Any further discussion...question being called...failed..

31:02 ~ 1/27/2009 8:09:17 AM ~ Nicholas: I move that we open Unit 1037...and refund one half of the million 3 to general fund...

32:10 ~ 1/27/2009 8:10:25 AM ~ Berger: Any discussion...

32:16 ~ 1/27/2009 8:10:31 AM ~ Nicholas: I know that they have more money in their budget to find the other half...

32:37 ~ 1/27/2009 8:10:52 AM ~ Harshman: Didn't we exempt the department of correcctions that exempted them from unit 100 series..

33:03 ~ 1/27/2009 8:11:17 AM ~ Steve: The governor approved them using the 100 series for personnel...

33:25 ~ 1/27/2009 8:11:40 AM ~ Nicholas: We just made a motion to limit their...

33:41 ~ 1/27/2009 8:11:56 AM ~ Harshman: Eventually they are just going to be moved to Torrington..it really doesn't matter it will cost us double to send them to Rawlins..just so you are aware of this...cost savings to the state...

34:24 ~ 1/27/2009 8:12:38 AM ~ Nicholas: the budget becomes effective in July and we will be back here in December..they just won't find the dollars...

34:56 ~ 1/27/2009 8:13:10 AM ~ Philp: Isn't this available immediately.

35:07 ~ 1/27/2009 8:13:21 AM ~ Steve: That is correct..

35:13 ~ 1/27/2009 8:13:28 AM ~ Massie: The soonest that we can impact this is another year...the other point is that we would have an opportunity to put the entire amount...

37:35 ~ 1/27/2009 8:15:50 AM ~ Massie: I would like to ..

37:43 ~ 1/27/2009 8:15:57 AM ~ Nicholas: Would that be a one time ..

37:54 ~ 1/27/2009 8:16:09 AM ~ Berger: the motion is to fund the remainder..calling for the question...

38:16 ~ 1/27/2009 8:16:30 AM ~ Berger: The motion pases..motion carries.

38:27 ~ 1/27/2009 8:16:42 AM ~ Peterson: I have to go back to page 23..treating sex offenders..shift some cost from page 23...note to reduce that 4.3 million taking 500K to the sex offenders..I had 800K and wanted to take money from priority

39:45 ~ 1/27/2009 8:18:00 AM ~ Nicholas: I have similar notes..asking that we reinstate 500K in sex treatment...my notes are on page 23 and 24 of the document..

40:25 ~ 1/27/2009 8:18:39 AM ~ Steve: Maybe Dawn can clean this up..

40:44 ~ 1/27/2009 8:18:59 AM ~ Dawn: You are absolutely right..instead of doing that the governor reeduced their budget by the same amount...

41:17 ~ 1/27/2009 8:19:32 AM ~ Nicholas: They said that they didn't need the 500K and he said great and took it..

41:44 ~ 1/27/2009 8:19:59 AM ~ Meier: Can we just talk about sex offender treatment and if it is successful...I am not sure...I would like to move to put 500K back into the program...I would move to open unit 1033.

42:36 ~ 1/27/2009 8:20:51 AM ~ Berger: continue with your amendment..

42:45 ~ 1/27/2009 8:21:00 AM ~ Meier: Take 500 K and put it into this program for sex offender treatment..

43:05 ~ 1/27/2009 8:21:19 AM ~ Hammons: I guess my question is since this is a supplemental budget can we deal with this in the budget year.

43:34 ~ 1/27/2009 8:21:49 AM ~ Philp: They had this as a pririority...and when asked why it was so low he said it was a no brainer..

44:03 ~ 1/27/2009 8:22:18 AM ~ Meier: Not to be argumentative...if we are going to penealize the director for his short sightedness.

44:36 ~ 1/27/2009 8:22:50 AM ~ Steward: I do remember the letter from the director that he backed away from this ...at this time..

45:05 ~ 1/27/2009 8:23:20 AM ~ BNerger: Caling for the question...motion failed...any furth discussion on agency 80 close as amended...agency 80 is closed...

45:57 ~ 1/27/2009 8:24:12 AM ~ Berger:I think we are taking a 5 minute break...they have abandonded ship...

46:48 ~ 1/27/2009 8:25:02 AM ~ Pause

46:48 ~ 1/27/2009 8:35:01 AM ~ Resume

46:50 ~ 1/27/2009 8:35:03 AM ~ Berger: Let's come back to order...we are on agency 85..unit 101 on page 9..governor req..motion carries...unit 1620 ...Steve..

47:47 ~ 1/27/2009 8:36:01 AM ~ Steve: part of the governor's req..he would be allowed to transfer 10 million bucks from the BRC and we would have to footnote that.

48:19 ~ 1/27/2009 8:36:32 AM ~ Nicholas: I would urge you to vote against the governor's req...

48:39 ~ 1/27/2009 8:36:52 AM ~ Steve: I don't want to get hung up..

48:52 ~ 1/27/2009 8:37:06 AM ~ Nicholas: Zero new dollars and no footnote..

49:03 ~ 1/27/2009 8:37:17 AM ~

49:18 ~ 1/27/2009 8:37:32 AM ~ Berger: motion failed..governor re..motion carries...close agency 85.. we are now on agency 205 which is school finance...

50:14 ~ 1/27/2009 8:38:27 AM ~ Nciholas: gov req

50:21 ~ 1/27/2009 8:38:34 AM ~ Berger...motion carries...

50:28 ~ 1/27/2009 8:38:41 AM ~ Steve: Timeout...we also need to change the appropriation for the foundation ...that has all been updated since we put it...1 billion...we need to change to...1.2 billion...

51:25 ~ 1/27/2009 8:39:38 AM ~ Nicholas: So moved...

51:29 ~ 1/27/2009 8:39:43 AM ~ Berger:: Motion carries.

51:34 ~ 1/27/2009 8:39:47 AM ~ Steve: The other is the 150 million dollar transfer and there is a governor's letter...we can check it when we get to those...we already did the balance...I think that is that.

52:14 ~ 1/27/2009 8:40:28 AM ~ Nicholas: Motion to close the agency 205.

52:27 ~ 1/27/2009 8:40:40 AM ~ Berger...motion carries..The next agency is 220..motion carries

54:07 ~ 1/27/2009 8:42:20 AM ~ Berger: Now we will work on cap con..

54:18 ~ 1/27/2009 8:42:32 AM ~ Nicholas: On the supreme court they..I move that we delete and further amend..authorize only the option two on the spreadsheet which will fund....for the case management system..what that does is to get the district courts on the process of getting on to electronic filing...it is time to get that started...

55:49 ~ 1/27/2009 8:44:02 AM ~ Berger...motion carries..

55:54 ~ 1/27/2009 8:44:07 AM ~ Nicholas: Cklose Supreme Court budget....

56:07 ~ 1/27/2009 8:44:20 AM ~ Berger: ...closed as amended..

56:15 ~ 1/27/2009 8:44:29 AM ~ Nicholas: That takes us to district courts.

56:25 ~ 1/27/2009 8:44:38 AM ~ Berger: Agency 125..unit 101...total budget is 32K on page dc5

56:49 ~ 1/27/2009 8:45:02 AM ~ Nciholas: call for the question..

57:01 ~ 1/27/2009 8:45:14 AM ~ Massie: Timeout...hwat figure are we voting on...we heard they only needed 20K afterall...

57:23 ~ 1/27/2009 8:45:36 AM ~ Berger: That is correct...we will need a motion for that...

57:35 ~ 1/27/2009 8:45:49 AM ~ Massie: I move that we put ...

57:45 ~ 1/27/2009 8:45:58 AM ~ Nicholas: Do you want to take the 2K out as well.

57:55 ~ 1/27/2009 8:46:08 AM ~ Massie: yes..

57:58 ~ 1/27/2009 8:46:11 AM ~ Berger: Just a review we will...motion carries...close agency...carries...we are on agency 101...motion carries...closed the district courts...The I think we should go with the cap con which is in the front of your revised booklet number 1.

59:48 ~ 1/27/2009 8:48:02 AM ~ Berger: Let's start...

59:57 ~ 1/27/2009 8:48:11 AM ~ Nicholas: Do we just vote one by one or do we vote the slate...

1:00:16 ~ 1/27/2009 8:48:29 AM ~ Steve: We just normally work off his recommendation work off the summary page..

1:00:41 ~ 1/27/2009 8:48:54 AM ~ Nicholas: Let's go through the ones with funding unless someone wants to open one up..

1:01:01 ~ 1/27/2009 8:49:14 AM ~ Meier: Didn't we just gain about 38 million...

1:01:12 ~ 1/27/2009 8:49:26 AM ~ Steve: It was school foundation funds..

1:01:23 ~ 1/27/2009 8:49:37 AM ~ Steve: That amendment is already in the profile..we haven't picked up anything...

1:01:53 ~ 1/27/2009 8:50:06 AM ~ Berger: Are we just going through the denials... Next one is unit w kotion caarried. l

1:03:12 ~ 1/27/2009 8:51:25 AM ~ Sen Nic I move that we mkodify the gov's rec by removing the fund source on page 17 .... for capital restoration account. and take out ... my intention use toward the level thre study... approve the joint lab funding. Se

1:04:20 ~ 1/27/2009 8:52:33 AM ~ Berger secon by Harshman

1:04:31 ~ 1/27/2009 8:52:44 AM ~ Steve. He came back and changed the jrec. 2 million...

1:04:54 ~ 1/27/2009 8:53:08 AM ~ Sen Nic Take all the AmL.. Right now I would like to see how it profieles using no AML dollars

1:05:19 ~ 1/27/2009 8:53:32 AM ~ Massie, If I understand correctly, 10 million fromn A&I lab account... so we are going... I beli

1:05:51 ~ 1/27/2009 8:54:04 AM ~ Steve Ibelieve that is correct.

1:06:06 ~ 1/27/2009 8:54:19 AM ~ Meier. Want to split the amendment.

1:06:19 ~ 1/27/2009 8:54:33 AM ~ Nicholas .........add a like amount of gen....

1:06:37 ~ 1/27/2009 8:54:50 AM ~ Berger Motion carries.

1:06:44 ~ 1/27/2009 8:54:57 AM ~ Sen Nic

1:06:50 ~ 1/27/2009 8:55:04 AM ~ Steve That would be the 10 million dollars.

1:07:12 ~ 1/27/2009 8:55:26 AM ~ Massie Then did we also adopt Gov Letter #6...d was that part of the ..

1:07:36 ~ 1/27/2009 8:55:49 AM ~ Steve When we get to the AML that is where we will ldeal yet. That is his

1:07:59 ~ 1/27/2009 8:56:12 AM ~ Sen Nic

1:08:25 ~ 1/27/2009 8:56:38 AM ~ Massie Five million from U of W... iit is easier now...So move

1:08:47 ~ 1/27/2009 8:57:01 AM ~ Berger... All those in favor of the gov letter #6 We are on page 17. We have just removed... we are now discussing Gov letter # 6. Without ... is there ...motion to accept. Motion carries. 84-2 as amended. Motion carries.

1:10:02 ~ 1/27/2009 8:58:16 AM ~ Rep Stewart. If we could go back to 8002.. He really did not need to flex ....

1:10:38 ~ 1/27/2009 8:58:51 AM ~ Sen Nic Should we be restoring... He could live with the Gov rec.

1:10:56 ~ 1/27/2009 8:59:09 AM ~ Berger... Unit 8501 moved gov rec motion carried. Time Out.

1:11:28 ~ 1/27/2009 8:59:41 AM ~ Sen NIc 8701 page 83

1:11:40 ~ 1/27/2009 8:59:53 AM ~ Sen Nic Resdtore the j4 million for the level three design. I am looking for the sheet. ........................ We need to say what form...

1:17:30 ~ 1/27/2009 9:05:43 AM ~ Jorgenson.. Cathcart said it could be anything from....it bothered me. The selelction of the ext.... try to focus them on it.

1:18:13 ~ 1/27/2009 9:06:27 AM ~ Sen Nic. The Legislature... creat a member of House and Senate... so we have a group that is involved in it. Capitol complex.... we I am relunctant to do that.

1:19:15 ~ 1/27/2009 9:07:28 AM ~ Jorgenson. No the architect... we have have examples around... there is some commoonmality in the latter part.

1:19:53 ~ 1/27/2009 9:08:06 AM ~ Nicholas...

1:20:02 ~ 1/27/2009 9:08:16 AM ~ Hammons I pretty much stayed away from the issue.. If you don't know who is going to be using the building. They want to coordinate.... if you are going to... it ddrives the whole design...

1:20:54 ~ 1/27/2009 9:09:08 AM ~ Sen Nic As we go thrugh for the design features. my object is to bring people on ..

1:21:32 ~ 1/27/2009 9:09:46 AM ~ Jorgenson Starting out.. it is not a ceremonial bldg. should not clash... the jparking garage.. the Hershler bldlg is not offensive. I don't think we can afford

1:22:30 ~ 1/27/2009 9:10:44 AM ~ Harshman The design concept... the next page has .. If you look the concept... It was sthe j190,00 parking structure attached.. We can get everone. Bring follks into a capital comlex. Then we can get out of iy

1:23:40 ~ 1/27/2009 9:11:53 AM ~ Hammons The question is ... some of our five elected officials be housed ther... it is not ackknowledging that there is another...

1:24:18 ~ 1/27/2009 9:12:31 AM ~ Sen Nic I want to end that debate. Lets go .... One design criteria... maximum number of leased agencies into .. move education over to the new facilities. A&I will eventually pick the agencies.

1:25:21 ~ 1/27/2009 9:13:34 AM ~ Hammons We have a standing committee that we have .... we propose the oney.. it seems to me

1:25:51 ~ 1/27/2009 9:14:04 AM ~ Sen Nic Put it in... and we can debate it out. That was just talk and it is time to .. all the state agencies into owned space. l We are spending lots of money on leasled spaces.

1:26:40 ~ 1/27/2009 9:14:53 AM ~ Meier We got the information on the leasles. In March 2009...

1:27:16 ~ 1/27/2009 9:15:29 AM ~ IMeier,,,, I want to make sure ... 5 million a year. Annual rent. On page one of one. I guess I say this looks like where we were at when ....it is still cheaper to have them out of the state...Do we need to build a building... 5 millikon a year... We are going to save a couple of tree million... . Look at feasibility studies again to see if we are gkdoing the right thing.

1:29:20 ~ 1/27/2009 9:17:34 AM ~

1:29:39 ~ 1/27/2009 9:17:53 AM ~ Hammons The proposal is to reduce the amount of leased space.. Large rooms for meeting rooms.

1:30:07 ~ 1/27/2009 9:18:20 AM ~ Berger. Meeting rooms that would define us. Part of the discussion

1:30:23 ~ 1/27/2009 9:18:36 AM ~ Massie.. Discussion with Management...Dkonner party. I will make a motion. Apropriate... and add reduce leased space as much jas possible.

1:31:13 ~ 1/27/2009 9:19:26 AM ~ Berger Motion carries.

1:31:34 ~ 1/27/2009 9:19:47 AM ~ Harshman I made a mistake. I want to make sure. I really want something about... the 190 foot .... to maximizek.

1:32:25 ~ 1/27/2009 9:20:38 AM ~ Berger. That was an additional to get the most square fotage. l It was a ... that moved it from the 36,000

1:32:52 ~ 1/27/2009 9:21:05 AM ~ Sen Nic Adding an additional item the jnew bullet item to accommodate with appropriate parking... Plan B is not going to be in the budget.

1:33:36 ~ 1/27/2009 9:21:49 AM ~ Jorgenson... we need to maximize the site.

1:33:49 ~ 1/27/2009 9:22:02 AM ~ Berger.

1:33:56 ~ 1/27/2009 9:22:09 AM ~ Steve. With the exception of visulal prudent

1:34:07 ~ 1/27/2009 9:22:20 AM ~ Phelp Bldg includes the parking garage. Off site... it is off site.

1:34:39 ~ 1/27/2009 9:22:52 AM ~ Sen Nic That having passed. MKotion to add 200,000 to develop a plan to expan the Hershlelr bldg. We knkow that we have the footings... use the existing footings.. meeting rooms.. displacement of legislatlure in the future.

1:35:45 ~ 1/27/2009 9:23:59 AM ~ Berger. Motion passed to add funds.

1:36:01 ~ 1/27/2009 9:24:14 AM ~ Sen Nic

1:36:12 ~ 1/27/2009 9:24:25 AM ~ Berger Steve have we hanll

1:36:23 ~ 1/27/2009 9:24:36 AM ~ Steve.. That would close out agency 06.

1:36:35 ~ 1/27/2009 9:24:48 AM ~ Jorgenson We are contemplating... so we can get past that hurdle..

1:37:00 ~ 1/27/2009 9:25:13 AM ~ Sen Nic New office bldg. Hershler needs remodeling.

1:37:20 ~ 1/27/2009 9:25:33 AM ~ Jorgenson Forstalls dealing with the renovation.

1:37:33 ~ 1/27/2009 9:25:47 AM ~ Berger, Close agency 006 passed Wyoming military depat on p 87 Gov rec. passed Motion to close out 007 Unit 7 closed. Agency 24.. jUnit 81 passed. Cload Agency 24 closed Unite 8901 Gov Rec ..Passed. Game and Fish 040. Unit 8101 Gov rec motion carried. Unit 8201 Gov Rec.

1:39:32 ~ 1/27/2009 9:27:45 AM ~ Harshman Delelte 222,000 to reinstate the funding pages 43 and 44.

1:40:15 ~ 1/27/2009 9:28:28 AM ~ Berger Motion failed. Gov rec motion carried. kAgenacy 40 closed. On to Agency page 52 Dept 21 Gkov Rec Closed Dept 48 Unit 8001 Gv rec passed.

1:41:24 ~ 1/27/2009 9:29:38 AM ~ Harshman Where is the ominum fund

1:41:49 ~ 1/27/2009 9:30:02 AM ~ Steve A copy of an email.from Treasurers office. Most of those listed on this page. When it sells land or leased with royalties. income that is ................ The verty first is thek.... from the investment of the jtwo billion.. Can't appropriate.... they are protected... starting with Omnibus... ...Pennitentiary .... the gov rec that since we have ... appropriate .... take from this account.

1:44:07 ~ 1/27/2009 9:32:21 AM ~ Meier. There is Dkoes it go to different places.

1:44:31 ~ 1/27/2009 9:32:44 AM ~ Steve ....................... all lthe rest goes to the .... the to Omnibus ....

1:44:49 ~ 1/27/2009 9:33:02 AM ~ Meier We have a good income fund this year. We will have a shortfall.

1:45:07 ~ 1/27/2009 9:33:20 AM ~ Stever Less investment income will be earned.

1:45:19 ~ 1/27/2009 9:33:32 AM ~ Sen Nic Fundamentally, Omnibus... the corpus is not infiolate?

1:45:41 ~ 1/27/2009 9:33:54 AM ~ Steve What goes into the permanent land fund... Majority... for specific purposes.. who get the income... so if.... that is where the money goes.

1:46:40 ~ 1/27/2009 9:34:54 AM ~ Sen Nic

1:46:45 ~ 1/27/2009 9:34:58 AM ~ Stever.. The only protected University ... can't take the jpenn money and spent ..

1:47:15 ~ 1/27/2009 9:35:28 AM ~ Sen Nic Is the land income fund... he is taking out of the corpus

1:47:37 ~ 1/27/2009 9:35:51 AM ~ Steve.. It can be spent by the jfive elected all vote the same way.. spent money...

1:48:04 ~ 1/27/2009 9:36:17 AM ~ Berger Fort Phil Karcney ... We took out .. look at it for later today.

1:48:31 ~ 1/27/2009 9:36:45 AM ~ Harshman When was the last time...

1:48:43 ~ 1/27/2009 9:36:56 AM ~ Steve It has been a while... we have done... back in early 90's when we took the account jdwn. Obviously there is good mineral jproduction

1:49:25 ~ 1/27/2009 9:37:38 AM ~ Harshman Grwon???

1:49:33 ~ 1/27/2009 9:37:47 AM ~ Berger A later date analysis to have a recap

1:49:46 ~ 1/27/2009 9:37:59 AM ~ Hammons I think the more significan thing to as is the time... capital assets vs an income ...

1:50:18 ~ 1/27/2009 9:38:31 AM ~ Sen Nic We have a surplus... Not time to be out raiding your coffee cans... if they measure needs.. I don't think that we are tat the point... take it out of the genral fund.

1:51:05 ~ 1/27/2009 9:39:19 AM ~ Hammons I think that jthe jPioneer Home is a sate... Using one state asset..

1:51:29 ~ 1/27/2009 9:39:42 AM ~ Jorgenson My sense.. if we don't do it.. five million will disappear on the floor.

1:52:01 ~ 1/27/2009 9:40:14 AM ~ Sen Nic j I move that we futher page delete omnibus fund and insert general fund.

1:52:32 ~ 1/27/2009 9:40:45 AM ~ Berger Motion arries

1:52:38 ~ 1/27/2009 9:40:52 AM ~ Sen Nic page 59 the same for general fund. with respect that we take out =of the omnibus

1:53:10 ~ 1/27/2009 9:41:23 AM ~ Berger That fails.

1:53:21 ~ 1/27/2009 9:41:35 AM ~ Phelps We have done that before for the state hospital.

1:53:43 ~ 1/27/2009 9:41:56 AM ~ Meier. That the top five ....if an emergency does exist.. I would rather put more money into the SLIP program. If that doesn't carry the day.

1:54:28 ~ 1/27/2009 9:42:41 AM ~ Massie I support this motion. We should be careful... If we start taking all these things out of gen fund... LSRA additional funding request. We are creating a squeese if we fund out of the gen fund

1:55:26 ~ 1/27/2009 9:43:40 AM ~ Berger.. Motion carries.To cllose agency 48 as amended. Agency 49 on page 64 Gov Rec...

1:56:07 ~ 1/27/2009 9:44:20 AM ~ Sen Nic. Page 64 move to delete one half out of gen fund and one half out gen komnibus .. Sen Massie ...it is a balance.

1:57:01 ~ 1/27/2009 9:45:14 AM ~ Hammons.

1:57:09 ~ 1/27/2009 9:45:23 AM ~ Sen Nic Out of the permanent jland fund.

1:57:22 ~ 1/27/2009 9:45:35 AM ~ Berger Further discussion

1:57:30 ~ 1/27/2009 9:45:44 AM ~ Sen Massie If it is a ... simply the history of what happens on the floor

1:58:03 ~ 1/27/2009 9:46:16 AM ~ Hammons. We are not jpitting one state against ankother.

1:58:21 ~ 1/27/2009 9:46:34 AM ~ Sen Nic You never get assurances. My goal is to take as little as... the money has built up. My preference is... that is what we do is prioit Raid all of your saving.

1:59:29 ~ 1/27/2009 9:47:42 AM ~ Hammons My question.... is why... it is just

1:59:42 ~ 1/27/2009 9:47:56 AM ~ Sen Nic We should take it out of gen fund... so I compromised

2:00:00 ~ 1/27/2009 9:48:13 AM ~ Berger.. Motion carries.

2:00:29 ~ 1/27/2009 9:48:43 AM ~ Berger I will entertain.. 49 closed

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2:01:31 ~ 1/27/2009 9:49:43 AM ~ Pause

2:01:31 ~ 1/27/2009 9:50:29 AM ~ Resume

2:01:35 ~ 1/27/2009 9:50:34 AM ~ Stop Recording