09-10 JAC BUDGET HEARINGS 12/12/08

      0 ~ 12/12/2008 8:02:13 AM ~ Supplemental Budget Hearings--December 12, 2008

      0 ~ 12/12/2008 8:02:13 AM ~ Start Recording

      4 ~ 12/12/2008 8:02:17 AM ~ Chairman Nicholas:  Introduce your staff and then we will get going on your budget....

     33 ~ 12/12/2008 8:02:46 AM ~ Lampert:  Introduced all the staff.

   1:10 ~ 12/12/2008 8:03:23 AM ~ Nicholas:  Tell us a bit about the status of your construction budget.

   1:29 ~ 12/12/2008 8:03:41 AM ~ Lampert:  Overview of the agency...Increasingly we have been doing this with evidence based...Overview of what has been done over the last fice years...why we believe that what is in here is..we are using standardized assessment tools.  You received a handout...we assess every person that comes to us as to his needs for future.  Those at the highest risk level have the most intervention.  We use practices to target those components.  They go out with the maximum...bolstered with employee training.  Last page of handout is a slide...summary of studies.  Many relationships we take for granted...What we are doing is twenty times more effective than me taking my blood pressure mediicine...refer you to the first page of the handout...Just as a reminder ...this formula  is very reliable...admirable ....growth in prison has not kept pace with our state's population.  Rise in daily population has been going up but not in the prisons.  One factor in this trend is...field services staff.  split sentencing..drug courts..we have see an increase of revorcation.  I'm sure at least one of you would like to have data to see what supports these requests.  We now have a researcher on staff.  Data not yet available.  We are confident that the ...work skills development.  That is as long as we ....Second set of numbers on the handout is the prison bed capacity.  2035 beds which includes...female beds..  However, added to that number....51 jail beds...without these contracts we would be near capacity in 2012.  With in state contracts...Our first strategic ....as of the first of December we are down ....vacancies...59 correctional placements...we have cut our staffing vacancies in half...thanks to the funding  you have providied.  We are now on target for the opening of Torrington.  Now we are back asking for the 158 positions.  We have only filled nine positions.  December of 09 is when we will have to be staffed for th opening of Torrington.  Could change some staffing but then we would be putting some inexperienced staff with some very experienced inmates.    Our turnover rate is higher than places like Michigan...Our current capacity is 128 in Casper and ....in Rawlins...if Torrington is fully funded...residential treatment... we are asking for the full 244 beds..Three year....if they go through a plan for serious violent...sex offender treatment...you see that another 41% is qualified for outpatient treatment.  At the top of the third page..you will see info on sex offenses..We through in previous offenses...we believe that it is critical that we do something to change that.  they are returning to our communities and they do not have the resources to deal with those issues.  Funding runs out at the end of this fiscal year...Risk assessment...prison case ...when appropriate community supervison...involve people in the community along with ...

  18:29 ~ 12/12/2008 8:20:42 AM ~ Lampert:  The torrington facility is well under way we are on time and in budget... 2.5 million will be in the contingency fund.. Our exposure has been less than 800K  which is unheard of.  Kudos to Rich Cathcart and his team for their work to make this happen.  We are within budget and on time and the completeion and sign off will be next December.

  20:24 ~ 12/12/2008 8:22:37 AM ~ Rich:  That will come up in the A&I budget...

  20:55 ~ 12/12/2008 8:23:08 AM ~ Massie:  One quick question.....studies done nationally for inmates that get higher education while incarcerated.  Would you comment on those studies.

  21:38 ~ 12/12/2008 8:23:51 AM ~ Lampert:  Education plays a big role in reidivism.  Many are not performing above a fourth grade level.  Our next focus is on vocational training. Job ready program....we are partnering with the community colleges.  We are trying to work ways to ...admittedly we are hesitant to ask you to pay for inmate college educations.  We are having them work for it.  Unless they have outside resources that will help them pay for it we have to find a way to help them work to pay for the education.

  24:32 ~ 12/12/2008 8:26:44 AM ~ Warren:  Would you have research that supports sex offender recovery and if they also have drug problems as well.

  25:10 ~ 12/12/2008 8:27:23 AM ~ Lampert:  We know that we have inmates that have sex offenders that do not tie to drug.  I am aware of two programs tht have reported back success..We have contracted with forensic health to ...they are out of Masasachusettes.  They use state of the art treeatments...  While we sense that it is working but we do not have the data to support it.

  26:46 ~ 12/12/2008 8:28:58 AM ~ Nicholas:  On to your budget...  The next topic is video conferencing equipment==that was denied.

  28:34 ~ 12/12/2008 8:30:47 AM ~ Lampert:  I would like to focus on the sex treatment...continue funding at Wyom State penitentiary...most of the dollars would go to a sex offender treatment center at Torrington.  20-25% of our population has some sex offense on their records..We think continuing to fund this and go against the governor's req of denial.

  30:40 ~ 12/12/2008 8:32:53 AM ~ Nicholas:  So you want that reinstated.

  30:49 ~ 12/12/2008 8:33:01 AM ~ Warren:  Were ther any reasons for the denial of the funding request.

  31:03 ~ 12/12/2008 8:33:16 AM ~ Lampert:  Governor is not supportive of sex offender treatment.

  31:19 ~ 12/12/2008 8:33:32 AM ~ Nicholas:  You assigned it a priority #22...did you do an asseessment of where the cut off of the funding was.

  31:45 ~ 12/12/2008 8:33:58 AM ~ Lampert:  Partly I put it as 22 cuz I thought it was a no brainer...items one-16 are related to Torrington.

  32:31 ~ 12/12/2008 8:34:43 AM ~ Nicholas:  1-16 are all Torrington.

  32:39 ~ 12/12/2008 8:34:51 AM ~ Nicholas:  Funded or not funded...17-funded or not funded?

  33:03 ~ 12/12/2008 8:35:15 AM ~ Lampert:  Funded

  33:10 ~ 12/12/2008 8:35:22 AM ~ Nicholas:  19 wa that funded?

  33:17 ~ 12/12/2008 8:35:30 AM ~ Lampert:  Approved with tobacco money.

  33:29 ~ 12/12/2008 8:35:42 AM ~ Nicholas:  That takes us to 22 and you want us to reconsider.

  34:07 ~ 12/12/2008 8:36:20 AM ~ Lampert:  I would propose

  34:24 ~ 12/12/2008 8:36:37 AM ~ Nicholas:  Do you have a cheat sheet that shows what was given and what was denied.

  34:58 ~ 12/12/2008 8:37:10 AM ~ Lampert:  In this budget we were originally approved 4.3 million

  35:29 ~ 12/12/2008 8:37:41 AM ~ Lampert:   The 500K would allow us to bring the staff on one month early so that they get their training before we open.

  35:52 ~ 12/12/2008 8:38:05 AM ~ Nichols:  So that 500K is one time?

  36:01 ~ 12/12/2008 8:38:13 AM ~ Lampert:  That would be ongoing...

  36:14 ~ 12/12/2008 8:38:27 AM ~ Nicholas:  That is ok and now that you have explained the issue to us and let's go back to page 22 and go through the budget so we can ..

  37:04 ~ 12/12/2008 8:39:17 AM ~ Nicholas:  On page 22 tell us what the service is...let's march through one at a time..

  37:43 ~ 12/12/2008 8:39:56 AM ~ Lampert:  That is the contractual budget increase..medical budget at all instututions.

  38:09 ~ 12/12/2008 8:40:21 AM ~ Philp:  In that narrative it include cost of new technology.  Is part of that one time.

  38:30 ~ 12/12/2008 8:40:43 AM ~ :Lampert:  No one time...ongoing.

  38:42 ~ 12/12/2008 8:40:55 AM ~ Nicholas:  How are they doing for the servi ces.

  38:59 ~ 12/12/2008 8:41:12 AM ~ Lampert:  They continue to impro ve and the only concer is the cost of the contract and we do not have much control over it.  We do not have the ability to use medical colleges.  That is the negative to the plan.

  39:54 ~ 12/12/2008 8:42:06 AM ~ Nicholas:  When they provide the service are they using Wyoming medical persons.

  40:14 ~ 12/12/2008 8:42:27 AM ~ Lampert:  They are people licensed in Wyoming.  Individiuals may have been ..

  40:41 ~ 12/12/2008 8:42:54 AM ~ Nicholas:  Have you ever thought that you might take over the management of the medical people.

  41:04 ~ 12/12/2008 8:43:17 AM ~ Nicholas:  If we weren't compensating them well, I think based on a 33 million dollar contract it seems you could pay alot.

  41:37 ~ 12/12/2008 8:43:50 AM ~ Nicholas:  As you give them appropriate compensation the turn over should decrease.

  42:04 ~ 12/12/2008 8:44:17 AM ~ Nicholas:  If these services are being paid...if you are paying them enough it sees you could hire alot of docs if you could pay.

  43:04 ~ 12/12/2008 8:45:16 AM ~ ???:They end up paying housing and travel while they are trying to fill positions.  Those ar some of the benefits...expensive contract and it is worth the discussion with the department of health.

  44:08 ~ 12/12/2008 8:46:21 AM ~ Nicholas:  I would leave it up to you and contracts are going up and you are saying that there are no alternatives.

  44:32 ~ 12/12/2008 8:46:45 AM ~ Lampert:  It goes beyond the medical including mental health, dentists, etc.  Another thing that would help is a co pay because that would drive down the people who go to the doc to look at the nurse.  We currently pay 100% of services.  Hospitals that we have contacted...If we could reduce the ...we would be able to take back the...the medical contract is on the hook for 100%..They covered the first 2 million  and we were on the hook for the rest during the biennium.

  46:53 ~ 12/12/2008 8:49:05 AM ~ ???:  The solution you have brought forth should be considered.

  47:16 ~ 12/12/2008 8:49:29 AM ~ Nicholas:  Perhaps we could bring an outside consultant to assess what we might be doing.

  47:45 ~ 12/12/2008 8:49:57 AM ~ Nicholas: Could you by the time we come back and see who could do this assessment.  Are we doing this the best way that we can do.

  48:21 ~ 12/12/2008 8:50:34 AM ~ Lampert:  We certainly can do that.

  48:30 ~ 12/12/2008 8:50:43 AM ~ Steward:  Director I have heard some testimony on EMR...they testify that we have lots of activity and that it lacks coordination and not serving the provider well.  What are you doing to change this.

  49:30 ~ 12/12/2008 8:51:43 AM ~ Lampert:  It has been ...they opted to use their own resources ..my understanding that they have been given grant money to move forwad..There is movement in the state to move forward and they are aware of the issues.

  50:36 ~ 12/12/2008 8:52:49 AM ~ Steward:  You touched on the problems exactly and some of this is vendor driven..some of these systems are just unable to talk to each other.  I hope you will be able to overcome this.

  51:25 ~ 12/12/2008 8:53:38 AM ~ Lampert:  We still have an investment in this.

  51:40 ~ 12/12/2008 8:53:53 AM ~ Nicholas:  #2 medical costs for Torrington and you said you would gi ve up another 500K.  Ultimately when you go back to your budget...I guess we can't guess at tht...

  52:39 ~ 12/12/2008 8:54:52 AM ~ Lampert:  We are prepared to do that.

  52:51 ~ 12/12/2008 8:55:03 AM ~ Nicholas:  Now with respect to this..the 3.8 is ongoing and you will be now paying 34 million..

  53:14 ~ 12/12/2008 8:55:26 AM ~ Lampert:  We are in the last year and now we will have to go through RPF process and renegotiate the contract.  We have some physician groups that would be willing to oversee one facility.

  54:12 ~ 12/12/2008 8:56:25 AM ~ Lampert: We have one nurse to oversee this program...permitted to ...some vendors.

  54:41 ~ 12/12/2008 8:56:53 AM ~ Nicholas:  You are going to come up with some process for us to evaluate.

  55:10 ~ 12/12/2008 8:57:22 AM ~ Lampert:  When prison vendor was selected they were significantly lower and then when it was time to renegotiate they went up to what the others bid.

  55:53 ~ 12/12/2008 8:58:06 AM ~ Nicholas:  Show us what the administrative costs are...

  56:08 ~ 12/12/2008 8:58:21 AM ~ Meier:  This goes into the transition part of going into Torrington.  Wonder how that contract is going to work...how does that fit together and if you had to...you are paid up to February or March of the next year...is there any other potential savings.  Should we hold up the opening of Torrington?

  57:22 ~ 12/12/2008 8:59:35 AM ~ Lampert:  Our contracts will not start until the inmates are in.  We have a 90 day out and as we get closer to that day we will be able to contact them ..we have to make sure that we put them in the right cell..Ramp down at one faciltity as we ramp up at the other.

  58:37 ~ 12/12/2008 9:00:50 AM ~ Nicholas:  Number 3 is what we were just discussing.

  58:54 ~ 12/12/2008 9:01:06 AM ~ Pedersen:  Although it is a rarity I am in agreement with the governor...not a great success in the treatment of sex offenders.  Why is the 3.5 million going to work here.

  59:48 ~ 12/12/2008 9:02:01 AM ~ Lampert:  Council of state governments..the best brains of sex offenders..high risk and violent...that is the focus we have adopted..some recommendation and see how they work.  Not very reliable and it looks at how long a sex offender goes out and commits another sex offense.  It generally is the lowest recidivism.  The victims and the families however, are impacted forever.  Support mechanism to prevent them from ..

1:01:54 ~ 12/12/2008 9:04:07 AM ~ Pedeersen:  Would this be an ongoing expense...what would the reduction have to be that you would think that the  program was successful.

1:02:40 ~ 12/12/2008 9:04:52 AM ~ Lampert:  Not sure I have that answer.  A 1% reduction would be significant.  When you are talking in general terms, when the evidence says the rate is low...Future sex offense..If we can reduce the risk of recomitting crime in the future, I think it would be worth the funding.

1:03:57 ~ 12/12/2008 9:06:10 AM ~ ???:  Full evaluation comes with this process.  So the parole board for example has been reluctant to grant parole to those who have not had an evaluation.  Polygraphs are being used on sex offenders.  The research indicates that ...they run a whole continuum.  Effectrve assessment ....the least appropriate response is to keep them locked up for their entire sentence and then release them without any evaluation.

1:06:27 ~ 12/12/2008 9:08:39 AM ~ Hammons:  This used in the boys school.  Is there different treatment for juveniles.

1:06:49 ~ 12/12/2008 9:09:02 AM ~ ???:  Very structured program..I would say that they use similar

1:07:33 ~ 12/12/2008 9:09:46 AM ~ Lampert:  Not as invtensive as what we use for high risk..that would be my guess but I do not know that for a fact.

1:07:58 ~ 12/12/2008 9:10:11 AM ~ Hammons: It seems that they would be the ones with the most hope.

1:08:18 ~ 12/12/2008 9:10:31 AM ~ Nicholas:  Give us a page on how you plan to implement this strategy and then maybe as part of that  if you can once again give us some assistance.  You have only been implementing the program for a year.

1:09:06 ~ 12/12/2008 9:11:19 AM ~ Steve: That is true and we can now get some data on what success they have had.  Getting in a high quaility assessment provider has been in effect for the last one year.

1:09:54 ~ 12/12/2008 9:12:07 AM ~ Nicholas:  Now we are on to page 26.

1:10:26 ~ 12/12/2008 9:12:38 AM ~ Lampert: Explanation in terms of the governor's req..we were going on the basis of what it might cost  to increase to 144 beds...place holder was 200K and now that we have gone to th contractor the dollar amount was significantly different.  900 inmates score out at the high level.  We would be able to treat 28 people...priority 14 we would like to shif up to accomodate that...by shifting that 400K up it would allow us to open all 144 beds...without the beds we would have to consider them general population.  The ITU at Rawlins will cease to exist when Torrington comes on line.  We would actually not be able to continue the program in Torrington without the funding.

1:13:35 ~ 12/12/2008 9:15:48 AM ~ Nicholas:  So you want to move 400K...

1:13:52 ~ 12/12/2008 9:16:04 AM ~ Lampert:  That is correct..And the governor wants it to come from  tobacco money.    We would love to have both of the programs funded...but if we can have only one we would want...

1:14:44 ~ 12/12/2008 9:16:56 AM ~ Nicholas: I am going to ask you to provide a report to the governor's office so that he can evaluate. I assume that you have not presented these to the governor.

1:15:27 ~ 12/12/2008 9:17:40 AM ~ Lampert:  Certainly I will explain why we have agreed to move those dollars that he agreed to.

1:15:54 ~ 12/12/2008 9:18:07 AM ~ Philp:  I assume there is plenty of money in th Tobacco settlement to fund this?

1:16:13 ~ 12/12/2008 9:18:25 AM ~ Richard:  That is correct.

1:16:26 ~ 12/12/2008 9:18:39 AM ~ Nicholas :  That takes us to number three....

1:16:38 ~ 12/12/2008 9:18:51 AM ~ Lampert:  That is correct..as you may recall there was discussion on footnotes and we basically agreed to fund this until Torrington opened but while it has been a good program we think it is more important to open Torrington.

1:17:32 ~ 12/12/2008 9:19:44 AM ~ Nicholas: Let me make sure that I understand...You are going to open Torrington in December.

1:17:56 ~ 12/12/2008 9:20:08 AM ~ Lampert: WE will be training in December and in January we will be having inmates arriving in January.  We need to complete the process of searching for contraband...We would have to install the mattresses etc. just like a hotel would do waiting for their guests.

1:19:21 ~ 12/12/2008 9:21:34 AM ~ Nicholas:  Do you predit that the...

1:19:28 ~ 12/12/2008 9:21:41 AM ~ Lampert:  I have a hiring schedule...anywhere from two months to 24 months as far as the staffing..

1:20:05 ~ 12/12/2008 9:22:17 AM ~ Nicholas:  It may be that in the standard budget this may get more than doubled.  Because you

1:20:53 ~ 12/12/2008 9:23:06 AM ~ Richard:

1:21:03 ~ 12/12/2008 9:23:16 AM ~ Nicholas: That is just what will happen.  Traditionally we have just doubled what you are biannualizing...And so one of the things we have to be aware of  is that if you are going to knock off some of the salary ..

1:22:06 ~ 12/12/2008 9:24:18 AM ~ Lampert:  It actually is 6 months... and then it would have to be based on 24 months moving forward.

1:22:59 ~ 12/12/2008 9:25:12 AM ~ Nicholas:  I would like you to put together a preadsheet that shows what the salary impacts will be.

1:23:45 ~ 12/12/2008 9:25:58 AM ~ Richard:  We already have that information.

1:23:54 ~ 12/12/2008 9:26:07 AM ~ Nicholas:  Than show it to us..In the markup process typically it is not a trade off for me..

1:24:31 ~ 12/12/2008 9:26:43 AM ~ Lampert:  That is correct.  With the dollar figure we would want it to be the next biennium figure...

1:25:07 ~ 12/12/2008 9:27:19 AM ~ Nicholas: What I want you to confer with the staff...and bring to us...Richard, I wwant you to confirm their math..

1:26:02 ~ 12/12/2008 9:28:15 AM ~ Hammons:  This is a question of the unit itself...are you in the community working..

1:26:30 ~ 12/12/2008 9:28:42 AM ~ Lampert:  Takes them out of the long term bed and puts them in a  treatment....without the funding ..the inamtes we put in there ..we are working with communities...connections...getting them a driver's license..

1:27:25 ~ 12/12/2008 9:29:38 AM ~ Hammons:  Are they going out into the community during that time.

1:27:42 ~ 12/12/2008 9:29:54 AM ~ Lampert:  Not at this time.  They have a supervised sleeping location..

1:28:14 ~ 12/12/2008 9:30:27 AM ~ Lampert: They will not be in the community at this time.  However, we do use them doing some sweeping ..but they come back to the prison at night.

1:29:09 ~ 12/12/2008 9:31:22 AM ~ Hammons:  Can you allay my fears...

1:29:23 ~ 12/12/2008 9:31:35 AM ~ Lampert:  It will not be a work release where we turn tthem lose during the day.

1:29:59 ~ 12/12/2008 9:32:12 AM ~ Nicholas:  Reentyr center---governor denied..

1:30:21 ~ 12/12/2008 9:32:34 AM ~ Lampert:  No sir..

1:30:27 ~ 12/12/2008 9:32:39 AM ~ Nicholas:  Page 32 for contract services...the governor said you can have the money but he recommends tht your funding comes from your 100 series.

1:30:59 ~ 12/12/2008 9:33:12 AM ~ Lampert:  I have talked about the ITU  eveytime we have talked about..we continue to rely on these beds so that we have  comfort that we will have enough beds through 2015. The importance is not just... in terms of the funding...I made my pitch to the governor and he also said we had some cost savings that should be able to pay for it for the year.

1:32:25 ~ 12/12/2008 9:34:38 AM ~ Nciholas:  You are to speak to us if you transfer 200 series funds.

1:32:49 ~ 12/12/2008 9:35:02 AM ~ Nicholas:  What is your vacany rate.

1:33:01 ~ 12/12/2008 9:35:14 AM ~ Lampert:  It runs pretty high.  Although we have closed the gap significantly...I don't want to guess.

1:33:34 ~ 12/12/2008 9:35:47 AM ~ Lampert:  about 1.5%

1:33:46 ~ 12/12/2008 9:35:59 AM ~ Nicholas:  What have you been using your 100 series for other then slaries.

1:34:04 ~ 12/12/2008 9:36:17 AM ~ Lampert:  Overtime, some recruiting, during the period of trining we were paying for housing for individuals...living quarters in Rawlins..some vacancy arrangements. a And the other thing we have used it for haven't been able to get the inmates to the court within ten days and we had to pay the courts...

1:35:38 ~ 12/12/2008 9:37:51 AM ~ Nicholsas:  Are you going to be able to fill the vacancies.  Certainly when the economy tightens up ..andthe vacancy..

1:36:39 ~ 12/12/2008 9:38:51 AM ~ Nicholas:  Spedning your reversions.  Any other questions..that takes us over to page 35..You asked for 400K and the governor granted it to you but asked that it be a one time item.

1:37:18 ~ 12/12/2008 9:39:30 AM ~ LampertL  We agree with that.  Our direction is to make it self sustaining.

1:37:39 ~ 12/12/2008 9:39:52 AM ~ Meier:  Are there any industries that you are trying to use.

1:38:00 ~ 12/12/2008 9:40:13 AM ~ Lampert:  Full auto bod repair is our initial intent.  Should their needs change overtime we would have a workforce

1:38:46 ~ 12/12/2008 9:40:58 AM ~ Nicholas:  Page 40-----governor agreed but he wants to have veto power.

1:39:15 ~ 12/12/2008 9:41:28 AM ~ Steve:  This allowed for..intensive...effort to deal more reasonably with...sanctions...such as electronic monitoring...passed in the last year.  it is a way to help reduce prison intacts.

1:40:09 ~ 12/12/2008 9:42:21 AM ~ Steve:  We get about 300 intakes a year that are a result of revocations.  We have been doing it for many years.

1:40:38 ~ 12/12/2008 9:42:51 AM ~ Nicholas:  The governor is not too keen on this..why not.

1:40:49 ~ 12/12/2008 9:43:01 AM ~ Lampert:  The language came from our budget analyst.

1:41:15 ~ 12/12/2008 9:43:28 AM ~ ???:  He doesn't like the language.

1:41:28 ~ 12/12/2008 9:43:41 AM ~ Nicholas:  That takes us over to 44.

1:41:44 ~ 12/12/2008 9:43:57 AM ~ Lampert:  This was the highest request for overtime.  Current time there is not sufficient dollars to cover.

1:42:10 ~ 12/12/2008 9:44:23 AM ~ Nicholas:  You still run the business and find other places to ...

1:42:29 ~ 12/12/2008 9:44:41 AM ~ Nicholas: When you have a surplus in the 100 series can't you use them?

1:42:54 ~ 12/12/2008 9:45:07 AM ~ Lampert: We use those dollars...on occassion used 100 series to go across to different divisions..but it is available.

1:43:28 ~ 12/12/2008 9:45:41 AM ~ Nicholas:  Questions.

1:43:41 ~ 12/12/2008 9:45:54 AM ~ Massie:  This has been a part of a bill and I don't think it has made it through.  Is this a new program?

1:44:11 ~ 12/12/2008 9:46:24 AM ~ Lampert: We have done a pilot of GPS at this poijnt we have had a least one occassion that we were able to determine that he was where he should not be,  High risk..The duration is based on risk.

1:45:09 ~ 12/12/2008 9:47:22 AM ~ Massie:  The bills were used to one particular community and is this one state wide?

1:45:27 ~ 12/12/2008 9:47:39 AM ~ Lampert:  That is correct.

1:45:34 ~ 12/12/2008 9:47:47 AM ~ Nicholas:  Next you aske for 41 and the governor thought you had enough money.  Next is...and you could not spend without paying prior to CIO approval.

1:46:43 ~ 12/12/2008 9:48:56 AM ~ Nicholas:  Over to page 40---governor approved it.

1:47:00 ~ 12/12/2008 9:49:12 AM ~ Lampert:  Just one comment  This is the other 500K that we suggested it be moved to support the sex offenders program.  While it has been a successful program we think it is better served by using it for high risk sex offenders.  Without the funding  we would tell the counties that we are out of money and they would have to find dollars somewhere else.

1:48:30 ~ 12/12/2008 9:50:43 AM ~ Nicholas:  In essence you are moving the monies up to priority 22.

1:48:47 ~ 12/12/2008 9:51:00 AM ~ Hammons:  What isthe impact on the counties?

1:49:02 ~ 12/12/2008 9:51:14 AM ~ Lampert: We would tell the counties that we do not have more money than we had in th last biennium.  AS a result we will have a 500K shortfall..we are out of money and they would have to go find there dollars elsewhere.

1:49:58 ~ 12/12/2008 9:52:11 AM ~ Nicholas:  You are going to report to the governor and he may have an objection...We will have at least heard from him if he should concur.

1:50:40 ~ 12/12/2008 9:52:52 AM ~ Nicholas: Now over to page 51..you asked for 20K and the governor denied...he said to move dollars from the 900 series.

1:51:15 ~ 12/12/2008 9:53:27 AM ~ Nicholas:  Offender management program on page 57..you asked for 28K and the governor apporved as a one time expense.  Next item is for security gate governor recommended apporval out of 900 series.  Next request was for overtimw and the governor denie it.  That takes us over to 63..Let's take a ten minute break..Keep it to ten minutes if you want to go home today.

1:53:07 ~ 12/12/2008 9:55:18 AM ~ Pause

1:53:07 ~ 12/12/2008 10:08:58 AM ~ Resume

1:53:10 ~ 12/12/2008 10:09:01 AM ~

1:53:16 ~ 12/12/2008 10:09:07 AM ~ Sen Nic  Do you still need the amt?  Of course, I do.p. 68 Priority #4  Gov denied it,.

1:53:57 ~ 12/12/2008 10:09:48 AM ~ Linley I was asking for staff.  Gov says that

1:54:55 ~ 12/12/2008 10:10:47 AM ~ Sen Nic  Funding for food service supplies and gave explanation.  Page 73.  Make welders out of tjese people He approved that.  that to page 76.  130,00 denied.  Funding for sdtaff overtime,  gov denied.  That takes us to page 82 for inmate supplies.  gov denied it.  That takes us to the women's center page 85.. gov appproved.  Next funmding for servide contractsk,  gov says yes.  Page 89, funding fr utilities... you aksed...gov approved.  one time. Page 91.. funding for computer tech  gov denied. questions.  takes us to p 96  foos specialist... gov denied it.

1:58:02 ~ 12/12/2008 10:13:53 AM ~ Sen Meier Do you have a list?

1:58:18 ~ 12/12/2008 10:14:10 AM ~ Lindlly,  no

1:58:36 ~ 12/12/2008 10:14:27 AM ~ Sen Nic  It is a denial

1:58:43 ~ 12/12/2008 10:14:34 AM ~ Meier  If this is a pattern... it might have some sort of impact... we are .... we did position reclassification .. do all the reclassifications.  We ned...that is where I am coming from

1:59:34 ~ 12/12/2008 10:15:25 AM ~ Lindly  We have narrowed it down to our base line staffing.  Wed took 10 positions in order to address field service agaents.  More than we should do.  ...as part of our solution.

2:00:26 ~ 12/12/2008 10:16:17 AM ~ Sen Nic  In the reclassification system... not creating a vacatcy

2:00:42 ~ 12/12/2008 10:16:33 AM ~ Richard Cox,  run a reclassification need to run through A&I...Hayes group is looking into the entire reclassification system.

2:01:34 ~ 12/12/2008 10:17:25 AM ~ Sen Nic  ...holding in pocket

2:01:45 ~ 12/12/2008 10:17:36 AM ~ Llindly no pocketed positions.

2:01:57 ~ 12/12/2008 10:17:48 AM ~ Sen Nic ..................... next item staff training,,, denied. heavy equipment..you got it.  Now on honor farm facility operation. One time dollars....   next page 112... computer tech  gov denied.  That takes us to page 117.j  You asked for food services... gov denied.  You asked for....gov denied.

2:03:23 ~ 12/12/2008 10:19:14 AM ~ Lindly  One quick explation... the difference between... we look at actual costs.  We are using our actual costs and projecting over next bienium.

2:04:02 ~ 12/12/2008 10:19:53 AM ~ Sen Nic  Past utilization and future cost.   Want money back.  I understand.  You have a large budget and you will fgure it out.  Over to page 121.  Fuding for the ag program..... gov agreed.  to page 125.... funding for... gov denied.  The next item is 128..... gov approved.  one time.  To state penn food services... gov yes.  That takes us to staffing ....supplies.  p. 134.  13 million governor gave you six milllion.  If you will take us through .....any questions.  What is the total lpaying for out of state

2:07:15 ~ 12/12/2008 10:23:06 AM ~ Lindly  Between 18 and 19 million  Some will still go to the hundred bed.

2:07:53 ~ 12/12/2008 10:23:44 AM ~ Sen Nic Next year you will ask that you will not loose all and keep Casper 10 bed facility...

2:08:31 ~ 12/12/2008 10:24:22 AM ~ Sen Nic  We can move to other expenses.  Entire...

2:08:59 ~ 12/12/2008 10:24:50 AM ~ Lindly  It would be absorbed into future with WMCIA.

2:09:33 ~ 12/12/2008 10:25:24 AM ~ Sen Nic  Have to ask back for the...

2:09:48 ~ 12/12/2008 10:25:39 AM ~ ...  Net to zero adjustment...moving into  for WMCI,  we were planning to do a net to zero.

2:10:24 ~ 12/12/2008 10:26:15 AM ~ Sen Nic  You are going to look at their entire budget

2:10:38 ~ 12/12/2008 10:26:29 AM ~ ....minus ...we will just move it around..  Give up 20 and come in with 50, not net request 30 million.

2:11:15 ~ 12/12/2008 10:27:06 AM ~ Sen Nic  less than jone year to operate.. you will biennaulize the figures.... no need for them.

2:11:44 ~ 12/12/2008 10:27:35 AM ~ Rep Harshman,  Just remind us the ....slightly below...

2:12:20 ~ 12/12/2008 10:28:11 AM ~ Lampert,  I will have to find the page.According to spread sheet would be 44 million

2:12:55 ~ 12/12/2008 10:28:46 AM ~ Rep Meier,  When will Casper 100 bed be biennualzed.  It will be 2.1....

2:13:46 ~ 12/12/2008 10:29:37 AM ~ Sen Nic  Casper went out and built the beds.. recommended against that.. we do recognizse that the Casper facility has done an excellent job.  You would be using the beds for 3 years.

2:14:41 ~ 12/12/2008 10:30:32 AM ~ Lindly  I don't remember that we would transfer out of it.  Whole aray of drug related... the thinking of the time... price per day was comkparable to being paid out of state.  Move 100 from out of state... that is how we have paid  out of state ... we have factored the 100 beds.  It provides an effective service ... we have counted those 100 beds.  I don't recall the 3 year transition.

2:16:42 ~ 12/12/2008 10:32:34 AM ~ Sen Nic  Will you want to consider keeping

2:16:56 ~ 12/12/2008 10:32:47 AM ~ Lindly  We pay for 100% and keep it at 100%.

2:17:14 ~ 12/12/2008 10:33:05 AM ~ Sen Nic  ....

2:17:19 ~ 12/12/2008 10:33:10 AM ~ Lindlly..  The 144 beds in Torrington... that included the 100 in Casper.

2:17:54 ~ 12/12/2008 10:33:45 AM ~ Lampert  The 100 bed... the out of state...

2:18:12 ~ 12/12/2008 10:34:03 AM ~ Lindly  It is approximately 65.. It is a $ or two more than in Oklahoma. Positive results with recividism ratte

2:18:50 ~ 12/12/2008 10:34:41 AM ~ Rep Warren   What is the comparison cost?

2:19:09 ~ 12/12/2008 10:35:00 AM ~ Lampert  The cost in Casper is $65 per day.  Treatment is 30 dollars plus cost of bed in the prison.  If it can be done ..community based not secured is best.

2:20:13 ~ 12/12/2008 10:36:05 AM ~ Rep Warren  How much for a year in prison

2:20:26 ~ 12/12/2008 10:36:17 AM ~ Lindly  About 30,000 ayear with medical per inmate

2:20:46 ~ 12/12/2008 10:36:37 AM ~ Sen Nic  That  takes us to p 149.  Gov approved.   Facility ... p 154  gov awarded 4 positions... took additional supplies and moved to 900 series.  Takes us to medium security.  You asked for ... gov provided to you and took from 200 to 900.  Page 158  adm supplies and equipment.  First item is request for the 17 new positions... gov yes put into ....  Takes us to 164.  You've asked for 340.. gov gave and moved to 900.  Are these on-going?

2:23:52 ~ 12/12/2008 10:39:43 AM ~ Lampert  Start up operaton.....start up funds.

2:24:08 ~ 12/12/2008 10:39:59 AM ~ Sen Nic  Page 166... gov approved ...Page 169  education supplies... gov yes  to page 171 and in the fund.... $ to start up... gov approved.  To page 174  Canteen fund... to spend money... gov approved.  To page 177.  You asked funding  old warden's house.  Denied,

2:26:08 ~ 12/12/2008 10:41:59 AM ~ Sen Meier  Why was it denied?  What alternatives.

2:26:34 ~ 12/12/2008 10:42:25 AM ~ Lampert  Historical valuse maintained.  Still only a single family residence.  Looking at option to sell the residence.  By old Penn.

2:27:15 ~ 12/12/2008 10:43:06 AM ~ Sn Nic

2:27:20 ~ 12/12/2008 10:43:12 AM ~ Sen Peterson  Is it historical.

2:27:39 ~ 12/12/2008 10:43:30 AM ~ Lampert  Historical for at least one resident.  S

2:28:03 ~ 12/12/2008 10:43:54 AM ~ Sen Nic  Sound like a matter for.... Page 179.  That was approved.  Is this one of the older bldgsl

2:28:41 ~ 12/12/2008 10:44:32 AM ~ Lampert.  It is the industry and warehouse space.  There have been several assessments.  Not cost effective.  The deterioraton... before we ear it down.. we want to see if it is cost ..... work capable space..  we don't want..

2:29:43 ~ 12/12/2008 10:45:34 AM ~ Rich Cathcart  That money will be... and we will do the evaluaton.  To see if that facility... not for suitable for human habitiation.  It is a fairly large facilty and could be useful.  This partic.........

2:30:43 ~ 12/12/2008 10:46:34 AM ~ Sen Nic  That's it

2:30:56 ~ 12/12/2008 10:46:47 AM ~ Lindly  The 100 bed is probably .....

2:31:15 ~ 12/12/2008 10:47:06 AM ~ Sen Nic  Anything else.  We appreciate it.   Takes us to A&I

2:31:45 ~ 12/12/2008 10:47:36 AM ~

2:31:49 ~ 12/12/2008 10:47:39 AM ~ Pause

2:31:49 ~ 12/12/2008 10:56:05 AM ~ Resume

2:31:53 ~ 12/12/2008 10:56:09 AM ~ Sen Nic   Please introduce staff.

2:32:06 ~ 12/12/2008 10:56:22 AM ~ Mike McVay....... Introduction of staff.............. that's all we have

2:32:38 ~ 12/12/2008 10:56:54 AM ~ Sen Nic  Go over budget, personal policy.

2:32:50 ~ 12/12/2008 10:57:06 AM ~ McVay  Talk about retiree's health incurance.  Go in order of request

2:33:40 ~ 12/12/2008 10:57:56 AM ~ Sen Nic 1.8 million dollars..... Gas increases.. Gov said no.

2:34:01 ~ 12/12/2008 10:58:17 AM ~ Mike  Price of fuel has decreased... We are looking at revising the rate

2:34:26 ~ 12/12/2008 10:58:42 AM ~ Sen Nic.  Page 16 staff increase... gov approved

2:34:50 ~ 12/12/2008 10:59:06 AM ~ Mike..  The square footage and bldgs has decreased  and no increases in staff.  We ask for staff to...

2:35:18 ~ 12/12/2008 10:59:34 AM ~ Sen Nic  2 custodiall positions.  Talk to us about gov redc on top of page 17.

2:35:37 ~ 12/12/2008 10:59:53 AM ~ Mike.  We have.....trying to beef up what we recycle in the capital compolesx and consolidate... one time request to purchase a truck.... not blowing all over the place.. and have alife.  and have a heavy duty cardboaard... not hygenic.

2:36:48 ~ 12/12/2008 11:01:04 AM ~ Sen Nic  DEQ has asked for money to ..are your folks request

2:37:11 ~ 12/12/2008 11:01:27 AM ~ Mike  Directed at state gov and theirs is not... we would share with other institutions in the state

2:37:42 ~ 12/12/2008 11:01:58 AM ~ Sen Nic   Have you done a space assessment.

2:38:06 ~ 12/12/2008 11:02:22 AM ~ Mike  State wide basis. If agencies ask for ... agencies are supposed to include

2:38:33 ~ 12/12/2008 11:02:49 AM ~ Sen Nic  Did....

2:38:40 ~ 12/12/2008 11:02:56 AM ~ Cox  That is part of our routine.  That will accomodate their needs.. We would tell you

2:39:12 ~ 12/12/2008 11:03:28 AM ~ Sen Nic j If we don't see any space issues... Any other questions. page 21... utility cost increasw.. gov reduced.

2:39:47 ~ 12/12/2008 11:04:03 AM ~ Mike  At that time jthe info we were getting... since been modified.  We are comfortable with the governkor's rec

2:40:20 ~ 12/12/2008 11:04:36 AM ~ Mike..

2:40:24 ~ 12/12/2008 11:04:40 AM ~ Sen Nic  That takes us to page 24.  The gov gave the postions.

2:40:43 ~ 12/12/2008 11:04:59 AM ~ Mike  Constructin management  They have a staff of seven people.  The cost effectiveness is overwhelmed....  Rick has a manager..  one spends 4 days a week  in Lusk.  Lots of work

2:42:01 ~ 12/12/2008 11:06:17 AM ~ Sen Nic  There are 13

2:42:11 ~ 12/12/2008 11:06:27 AM ~ Mike    They manage all the leases

2:42:27 ~ 12/12/2008 11:06:43 AM ~ Sen Nic  Seven doing construction management... take 7 to 9.

2:42:49 ~ 12/12/2008 11:07:05 AM ~ Mike  The At Will poistion.... no subject to the provisions..... there is no time limitations..

2:43:23 ~ 12/12/2008 11:07:39 AM ~ Sen Nic  That takes us to ....market adjustments   ... you should have received a handout that describes .Handout..... agency 005.  Remember where evr... compensation philosophy  and the elements f it. Recopy and log it in.  Let's do the 10...

2:45:43 ~ 12/12/2008 11:09:59 AM ~ Mike As we described on Monday.  The state has only used one source...  part of the process  ... this whole project ... what is going on in WY is not what is going on in other states.  We were going to expand our market source.  We have 100 employers in the state of WY.  Pulling all of that together.  If we were going to move to ... we would need 23 to 24 million dollars.  The downturn in revenues.  To step back and take a phased report.  Bottom line is this.  If there is an appropriation to deal with thei... Keep in mind that .... we needed...

2:48:18 ~ 12/12/2008 11:12:34 AM ~ Sen Nic  Do yu have a spsreadsheet.

2:48:40 ~ 12/12/2008 11:12:56 AM ~ Mike.. preliminary analysis   About 6200 under...  cost adjustment  Of that 6200--............I don't have specific ...  Dean Fascett   He looked at our highest turnover jobs   were the ones furthest behing in market,  Your study  sho

2:50:38 ~ 12/12/2008 11:14:54 AM ~ Sen Nic  As we go through corrections.

2:50:59 ~ 12/12/2008 11:15:15 AM ~ Mike  This legislature has more interest in corrections not nursing.  Turnover not necessaarlily related to salary.  Nursing has had less concentrated..   nursing is a hotspot.  They are mobile and they have a salable skill.  fs

2:52:28 ~ 12/12/2008 11:16:44 AM ~ Sen Meier   Raising a band level... third one..  how will that impact the retirement system.

2:52:50 ~ 12/12/2008 11:17:06 AM ~ Mike  We may end up with a different approach.  We may end up with more than one pay plan. That is yet to be determined.  I have had several conversation with..  One of the questions.  The other employess with what we have done... for the non K-12  folks we are doing ok.  In the total scheme of things.   Limited number of positions.  That's my guess.

2:55:20 ~ 12/12/2008 11:19:36 AM ~ Sen Nic  with respect... is there an easy way to provide  us ...

2:55:48 ~ 12/12/2008 11:20:04 AM ~ Mike

2:56:10 ~ 12/12/2008 11:20:26 AM ~ Dean   We can provide you with...

2:56:23 ~ 12/12/2008 11:20:39 AM ~ Sen Nic  The gov has not recommended the full amt.

2:56:37 ~ 12/12/2008 11:20:53 AM ~ Mike  Once we see what happens.  Try to get information ... we are only able to go to 92 ....

2:57:08 ~ 12/12/2008 11:21:24 AM ~ Sen Nic... Some don't get funded.

2:57:28 ~ 12/12/2008 11:21:44 AM ~ Mike.  We will try to apply..

2:57:40 ~ 12/12/2008 11:21:56 AM ~ Sen Nic   ....

2:57:48 ~ 12/12/2008 11:22:04 AM ~ Mike...  if they are farther behing...

2:58:02 ~ 12/12/2008 11:22:18 AM ~ Sen Nic  paybands has changed

2:58:14 ~ 12/12/2008 11:22:30 AM ~ Mike.  We rewrote the personal policies in April.  It goes into effect July 1.  If you have less than satisfactory... redlining position... if current is at above or equal....j they would not receive an adjustment. We have not yet put into policy... gov wanted to consider

2:59:42 ~ 12/12/2008 11:23:58 AM ~ Sen Nic Ready for prime time

2:59:51 ~ 12/12/2008 11:24:07 AM ~ Mike  It is not ready

3:00:00 ~ 12/12/2008 11:24:16 AM ~ MIke  When I sat down with Dave and Steve we talked about translating into statue.... the legislature..  we have the wher3e withall to go in that direction.  To restate... We can proceed .

3:01:05 ~ 12/12/2008 11:25:21 AM ~ Senator Massie    We already ...

3:01:38 ~ 12/12/2008 11:25:54 AM ~ Sen Nic  We have the executive policy distributed

3:01:57 ~ 12/12/2008 11:26:13 AM ~ Mike.   Comes from a committee that met on three different occasions.  The notion that we were going to expand ouir market  data..... not particular new or radical.... jus

3:03:06 ~ 12/12/2008 11:27:22 AM ~ Sen  'Any questions

3:03:13 ~ 12/12/2008 11:27:29 AM ~ Senator Massie.

3:03:42 ~ 12/12/2008 11:27:58 AM ~ Senator Massie..  If one grouip gets and increase and the other doesn't.  It could apply to community colleges.  Whatever positions were researched... if the agency along with the University..  maybe they should include university and  junior collete.

3:05:05 ~ 12/12/2008 11:29:21 AM ~ Mike  We do have information on the u of WY and  we will put that information.  The only caveat... that is only ...  if it is expandable..  we are only talking about classified staff.  We will be glad to shar the information.  We will give that information back to thwm.They don'[t have where withall to conduct.

3:06:31 ~ 12/12/2008 11:30:47 AM ~ Sen Nic  You surveyed... Albany took a while.... w

3:07:03 ~ 12/12/2008 11:31:19 AM ~ Mike With your assistance

3:07:11 ~ 12/12/2008 11:31:27 AM ~ Rep Harshmenm  What option aare we going to use.

3:07:34 ~ 12/12/2008 11:31:50 AM ~ Mike.  The option is yours.  Absent that instrucstion.  Try to take everyone as far as we can with the $ available.

3:08:09 ~ 12/12/2008 11:32:25 AM ~ Sen Nic  We helped draft.  The component ..... highest level  that we set out the different reponsibilities. We are going to pay our employees a competitive salary.  It is a 20 million short fall.  The bill we are talking about.  We share the respionsibility.  We may not always have the resources to do... You always pay your employess what they deserve to be paid.   Policy was pirateld from another stat.  We have shared it with leadership.  Something we should have.  It is a good way to go.  How it get adopted. The LSO drafted a statute.

3:10:51 ~ 12/12/2008 11:35:07 AM ~ Mike  Dave is lawyer and how best to ..... Dean and others have been involved.

3:11:22 ~ 12/12/2008 11:35:38 AM ~ Sen Nic  It hits the mark?

3:11:30 ~ 12/12/2008 11:35:46 AM ~ Mike   It does.................. what is in there now will accomplish

3:11:48 ~ 12/12/2008 11:36:04 AM ~ Sen Nic  Any more...

3:11:57 ~ 12/12/2008 11:36:13 AM ~ Rep Phelps  Would we do it as a part of the appropriation..

3:12:25 ~ 12/12/2008 11:36:41 AM ~ Mike  I don't thin that the appropriation would be in that bill.  It is more general.

3:12:56 ~ 12/12/2008 11:37:12 AM ~ Sen Nic  A sheet to show direction that you are going.  Takes us to page

3:13:45 ~ 12/12/2008 11:38:01 AM ~ Mike Two components....... Expand to look at agency heads, etc to put on same playing field... that is a work in progress.

3:14:30 ~ 12/12/2008 11:38:46 AM ~ Sen Nic  Appoved by gov on page 31.  To page 35 gov rec.   Looking at assembly of task force... Talk about what the task force should do.

3:15:30 ~ 12/12/2008 11:39:46 AM ~ Mike   There is group that looked at all the video conferencing groups in the state.  My limited .... travel and need to contract to steer in a direction that they ned to go.

3:16:37 ~ 12/12/2008 11:40:53 AM ~ Sen Nic  Is there a ...may

3:17:05 ~ 12/12/2008 11:41:21 AM ~ Rep Pederson.....

3:17:13 ~ 12/12/2008 11:41:29 AM ~ Rep Jorgenson   I was not at the last meeting,

3:17:46 ~ 12/12/2008 11:42:02 AM ~ Sen Nic  Task force that is not constituted.  Do we need a separate bill to breate it.  We will talk to the other co-chairs.  We will further evaluate that. What do you have in mind.

3:18:35 ~ 12/12/2008 11:42:51 AM ~ Rep Jorg   Dave will know

3:18:48 ~ 12/12/2008 11:43:04 AM ~ Mike  Gov has appointed a task force.  ,,,,,,,,, he has identified some areas.

3:19:20 ~ 12/12/2008 11:43:36 AM ~ Sen NIc  Page 35

3:19:29 ~ 12/12/2008 11:43:45 AM ~ Sen Massie, With the narrative,,, the reason is that U of W has withdrawn...  The U was paying 200,000 --a fee increase.  They withdrew.  Financial need base??

3:20:43 ~ 12/12/2008 11:44:59 AM ~ Mike.  The 1.2 million my department's estimate... what we had programed for their share.  We will discuss. The University... unlike the U we have to operate on a cost basis.  We have to recover our cost to keep the door open.  We get into a spiral.  Or we seek.  Close doors.  What are we going to do abut state  ......................... ....................................

3:23:34 ~ 12/12/2008 11:47:50 AM ~ Massie  Would it make sense to have the committee .....can we wait for a year to wait until... is it critical

3:24:08 ~ 12/12/2008 11:48:24 AM ~ Mike. We need to fund it until it gets sortd out.  We ought to be able to manage them collectively.  We ...

3:24:45 ~ 12/12/2008 11:49:01 AM ~ Sen Nic  This is why

3:24:58 ~ 12/12/2008 11:49:14 AM ~ Mike  A&I can only manage what we have

3:25:22 ~ 12/12/2008 11:49:38 AM ~ Sen Nic  If it is too expensive... better service... The other option is to lower your rate...We can lower your cost.. What is ..... the service you....

3:26:14 ~ 12/12/2008 11:50:30 AM ~ Mike  There is not change in service.  The $ requested here to keep the doors opoen and entitiies..... educational users have different ... they have different time demands.  We have reached ja point... stop all together and go about our busines.

3:27:19 ~ 12/12/2008 11:51:35 AM ~ Sen Nic  Subsidize the university.  When the University ..... now if you go to Job Services.. you use their only ... the U integrated into what they do.  Then you are competing.  We

3:28:33 ~ 12/12/2008 11:52:49 AM ~ Mike... We have to cover our cost,.  We do not have that cap

3:28:55 ~ 12/12/2008 11:53:11 AM ~ Sen Nic  You are supplanting...

3:29:04 ~ 12/12/2008 11:53:20 AM ~ Mike  Because of the U withdrawal  -- we could raise our fees..  it would drive customers away. l

3:29:37 ~ 12/12/2008 11:53:53 AM ~ Sen Nic  Could we give the 1.2 million to the U and have them get back into system.  At least,  I'm not that certain.  Students watching the service.  Now not an efficient system.

3:30:36 ~ 12/12/2008 11:54:52 AM ~ Mike  When we conduct... we don't pulll... we contact a temporary employment agency..

3:31:03 ~ 12/12/2008 11:55:19 AM ~ Sen Nic  On second time no one was there.  I assumed it was a staff person.

3:31:25 ~ 12/12/2008 11:55:41 AM ~ Sen Meier.  If you kept their fees constant,  See if you can get along.

3:32:34 ~ 12/12/2008 11:56:50 AM ~ Sen Nic  Ask your customers..... maybe a way to get them back in....

3:32:58 ~ 12/12/2008 11:57:14 AM ~ Sen Nic

3:33:04 ~ 12/12/2008 11:57:20 AM ~ Rep Jorgenson  The user cares who runs the system , as long as it works.

3:33:35 ~ 12/12/2008 11:57:51 AM ~ Sen Nic  The U had a good system. Not the qualilty... While it was .........

3:34:25 ~ 12/12/2008 11:58:41 AM ~ Rep Jorgenson  It was at the com college ... the U backs up the system.  One knowl... outfit

3:35:09 ~ 12/12/2008 11:59:25 AM ~ Sen Nic  That doesn't do much for me.. Let take a break.  Back at one.

3:35:41 ~ 12/12/2008 11:59:57 AM ~

3:35:46 ~ 12/12/2008 12:00:01 PM ~ Pause

3:35:46 ~ 12/12/2008 1:01:46 PM ~ Resume

3:35:48 ~ 12/12/2008 1:01:48 PM ~ Chairman Nicholas: We are at page 38..the uninterruptable power supply...Next request is for air conditioning in the Emerson building.

3:37:07 ~ 12/12/2008 1:03:07 PM ~ Nicholas:  You asked for and the governor approved ...the next item is for the Herschler...the governor denied..the next request is on page 44...governor approved 500K and he denied 500K.  That takes us to page 49..are we going to see a savings from other agencies because they do not have to maintain their own email system...

3:39:00 ~ 12/12/2008 1:05:00 PM ~ McVay: Those dollars and personnel can be rededicated to other functions.

3:39:26 ~ 12/12/2008 1:05:26 PM ~ Nichols:  If we see you getting an increase...

3:39:58 ~ 12/12/2008 1:05:58 PM ~ McVay:  Could ask Bob to explain this .

3:40:15 ~ 12/12/2008 1:06:15 PM ~ Bob:  Absolutely..I think this is such a significant ....we  are approaching  to help leverage...

3:40:56 ~ 12/12/2008 1:06:56 PM ~ Nicholas:  And then with general funds how do you decide how to send things to enterprise fund...

3:41:18 ~ 12/12/2008 1:07:18 PM ~ McVay:  We do not have enough money to go out and purchase a system like this...We also could not charge this off to federally supported agencies.  Once it is up and running we will charge back to agencies..

3:42:22 ~ 12/12/2008 1:08:22 PM ~ Nicholas:  The next item is on page50---governor denied request.  The next request was for enterprise architecture...governor denied.  Next request you asked for disaster planning--the governor denied the request.  The next thing you asked for was some new  persons...we need to talk about this...

3:44:14 ~ 12/12/2008 1:10:14 PM ~ McVay:  This provides a focal point that will allow us to realize economies of scale.  I talked to the governor on several situations that discussed this postion.  I think it should be under the CIO's office.

3:45:21 ~ 12/12/2008 1:11:21 PM ~ McVay:  I would like to turn that over to Rich....

3:45:46 ~ 12/12/2008 1:11:46 PM ~ Rich:  The first request is for the state building commission contingency---this is sort of a revolving accout to deal with facility issues,...real estate transactions...money to deall with emergencies and the state building commission has some money to...so they can fund this out of ...then you guys need to discuss those plans.  We ask this to be refilled when we have used some..there are some encumbered funds in there.  1.2 million was spent on level II studies..360K in the new conference room in the Herschler building..200K for part of the governor's art project at the governor's residence.  I guess it was about 300K altogher..225K  for a military lease with the airport board..the first year has to be funded by the agency....1.9 million

3:50:10 ~ 12/12/2008 1:16:10 PM ~ Rich: There were ...I don't recall everyone ofl them..the highest we funded was 400K for the state office building..I will provide a summary of this for you.

3:51:01 ~ 12/12/2008 1:17:01 PM ~ Nicholas:  As soon as someone knew it was for the state the price went out the roof.  We acquired the unicover building at bargain rates.  St. Mary's we got at a decent fund.  The scope of the fund is becoming more broadly used..

3:52:11 ~ 12/12/2008 1:18:11 PM ~ Rich:  I would agree.  The initial creation was for level I and II was for real estate...the five elected have been using it more broadly.  Nothing  goes in or out without the vote.

3:53:04 ~ 12/12/2008 1:19:04 PM ~ Nicholas;;;The conference room and the art for the governor should have gone through the budget process.  As we look at it later I wonder if we should be thinking about this...It has been effective way of getting people out of leased property.  Any other questions.

3:54:30 ~ 12/12/2008 1:20:30 PM ~ Philp:  What is the balance in the fund?

3:54:38 ~ 12/12/2008 1:20:38 PM ~ Rich:  It was created on some speculative needs at the time.  There was 3 million initially. And the additional amounts was 4.8 million...the level was 7.8 million.

3:55:45 ~ 12/12/2008 1:21:45 PM ~ Philp: So this amount would bring it back up to the 7.8 million.

3:55:58 ~ 12/12/2008 1:21:59 PM ~ Nicholas: Next item is the flex contingency for the entire cap con budget.

3:56:44 ~ 12/12/2008 1:22:44 PM ~ Rich:  That is a snapshot in time.  We haven't used much money out of that pot..  Some train wrecks on projects and we needed some additional funds rather than shut the project down and wait to come back to you all for approval.

3:57:51 ~ 12/12/2008 1:23:51 PM ~ Rich.It needed to be done at any price.  We put 200K+ for the unicover building.  We found out it was very cost effective to change out the ...gave another example...every bid in Casper comes in way over ...it is nearing completion and they are going to have their ribbon cutting ceremony next month.  We also iencountered some site problems with that project...cost of the project went up..we were able to take advantage of...in predicting their needs..we would need to build the additional housing units....It is a huge savings to the state to put up the housing units..huge advantage to do it now.  We were able to agree to the 3. million . We always confer with state building commission before we make these changes.

4:01:58 ~ 12/12/2008 1:27:58 PM ~ Rich:  I think the request was for ...

4:02:49 ~ 12/12/2008 1:28:49 PM ~ Nichlas:  This allows you to..

4:03:02 ~ 12/12/2008 1:29:02 PM ~ Rich.. That is correct some things just happen out of our control.  We had no idea that the cost in Casper for the Veteran's chapel was way over budget.

4:03:45 ~ 12/12/2008 1:29:45 PM ~ Steward:  How do you confer with the commission and or the co chairs of the appropriations committee.

4:04:15 ~ 12/12/2008 1:30:15 PM ~ Rich:  The project manager has control over the budget.  We have informal discussions.  We want them to be aware of that before we move forward...pretty informal.

4:05:11 ~ 12/12/2008 1:31:12 PM ~ Nicholas:  When I get a call about this...I generally trust Rich's recommendation.  If we ar going to acquire a building, we may have an executive session.  We have some opportunities out there right now...

4:06:57 ~ 12/12/2008 1:32:57 PM ~ Rich:  If I may add, andthis 5% flex contingency we have been able to take advantage of some very important opprtunities.

4:07:45 ~ 12/12/2008 1:33:45 PM ~ Nicholas:  Next, the labs..

4:08:23 ~ 12/12/2008 1:34:23 PM ~ Rich:  we are looking at 111 million dollars...better ways to do constructability.  We ahave been working with the UW to marry these two projects together and we have further enhanced...just in the design contract alone we have save 2 million on design alon.  88.6 million for both projects. So the actual general fund appropriation you could reduce this amount by 15 million....in my opinion this is the highest priority.  This problem with the labs has been long lasting and we have got to deal with it.  I don't think we can get it for any less money.

4:11:24 ~ 12/12/2008 1:37:24 PM ~ Philp:  What was the 15 million.

4:11:34 ~ 12/12/2008 1:37:34 PM ~ Rich:  You appropriated 5.6 million last year...also when you did that...you put another 5 million...then th governor approved 5 million of AML monies..

4:12:53 ~ 12/12/2008 1:38:54 PM ~ Harshman:  5.6  so is that 94.2 million total.  Gone from the 111 million down to 88 million are we getting everything in the lab that will last us well into the future.

4:13:50 ~ 12/12/2008 1:39:51 PM ~ Rich:  I have a schematic of the two labs ifl you would like to look at them.

4:14:13 ~ 12/12/2008 1:40:13 PM ~ Pedersen:  I understand where the money  comes from but I don't know how you feel about the recommendation.

4:14:40 ~ 12/12/2008 1:40:40 PM ~ Rich:  I would not quesstion how the governor chooses to build it.

4:15:09 ~ 12/12/2008 1:41:09 PM ~ Jorgensen:  As you have mentioned...why is there not a point to where we would choose one lab to serve both  areas.

4:15:45 ~ 12/12/2008 1:41:45 PM ~ Rich:  I can assure you with forensics...cross contamination is very real.It doesn't matter where the buildings are located..however Laramie already has a pretty extensive lab already.

4:16:46 ~ 12/12/2008 1:42:46 PM ~ Rich:  I am now convinced that we can not share labs.

4:17:09 ~ 12/12/2008 1:43:09 PM ~ Joregensen:  We talked about a prefb lab for the BSL3...remind me what tht was.

4:17:35 ~ 12/12/2008 1:43:35 PM ~ Rich: In leaner budget years they considered a modular lab and that  was 4.3 million.  This will increase their ...plus we have some issues with the incinerator.

4:18:27 ~ 12/12/2008 1:44:27 PM ~ Nicholas:  Rumors that the federal lab might be moved to another location.

4:19:15 ~ 12/12/2008 1:45:15 PM ~ ???:  The federal lab there are real lab...Again they are in the same.

4:19:50 ~ 12/12/2008 1:45:50 PM ~ Nicholas:  Is it likely that they will stay where they are.

4:20:17 ~ 12/12/2008 1:46:17 PM ~ ???:  Very difficult to convert existing labs..They have put that on permanent hold right now.  The lab we are proposing..they have the needs for ...need for ..

4:21:05 ~ 12/12/2008 1:47:05 PM ~ Nicholas:  This is going to be located behind the vet lab?

4:21:20 ~ 12/12/2008 1:47:20 PM ~ ???: That is true.

4:21:31 ~ 12/12/2008 1:47:31 PM ~ Nicholas:  No landscaping?

4:21:43 ~ 12/12/2008 1:47:43 PM ~ ???:No plans for them

4:22:00 ~ 12/12/2008 1:48:00 PM ~ Rich:  I would not assume that there is no landscaping...I am sure there is some landscaping to be done.

4:22:44 ~ 12/12/2008 1:48:44 PM ~ Jorgensen:  It bothers me that we have talked at it for some time and the numbers started quite low...I wonder why we are proceeding at this time.

4:23:19 ~ 12/12/2008 1:49:19 PM ~ Rich: I don't have any sense of uncertainty...now regarding federal needs...I feel very confident that this lab will function for the state and the UW.

4:24:03 ~ 12/12/2008 1:50:03 PM ~ Montgomery:  In the state of Wyioming  we need the ability to do diagnostics...provide safe area to perform all these tests.  One of these is bruscellosis.

4:25:25 ~ 12/12/2008 1:51:25 PM ~ Jorgensen:  ,,,I know that htye worry about that place.

4:25:41 ~ 12/12/2008 1:51:41 PM ~ Meier:  Is one of them West Nile..

4:25:53 ~ 12/12/2008 1:51:53 PM ~ MOntgomery:  We st Nile is not considered to be a ...

4:26:24 ~ 12/12/2008 1:52:25 PM ~ Meier:  What studies are done at a federal lab.

4:26:42 ~ 12/12/2008 1:52:42 PM ~ Montgomery:  Would require...

4:27:15 ~ 12/12/2008 1:53:15 PM ~ Nicholas:  Is the federal lab somewhere else?

4:27:35 ~ 12/12/2008 1:53:35 PM ~ Montgomery:  Not sure...

4:27:51 ~ 12/12/2008 1:53:51 PM ~ Nicholas:  the next item is the governor's residence...recommended 300K the governor denied it  What was the request for?

4:28:35 ~ 12/12/2008 1:54:35 PM ~ Rich:  Early on they wanted us to see what it would take to add on to the public side of the residence.  At this time with concern about revenues this is a good project to set back.

4:29:39 ~ 12/12/2008 1:55:39 PM ~ Nicholas:  Next project is page 70....

4:30:01 ~ 12/12/2008 1:56:01 PM ~ Rich:  Part of the mission tis to get part of the...how do we get state employees back into state owned buildings.   We believe we can build a building on the office block to the east  and once tht is built we would move the occupants of the capital over to that location and then we could remodel the capital.  With the building completed and the capital is remodeled it would amount to about 3 million dollatr savings in just leased locations.  I think we can move the department of education ...you could get health into th herschler building..the herschler building is a natural extension of the capital..That building is a key component of the entire master paln.

4:34:07 ~ 12/12/2008 2:00:07 PM ~ Nicholas:  How much is in the capitol fund.

4:34:20 ~ 12/12/2008 2:00:21 PM ~ Rich:  about 7 million that mockler set up.  about 30 million have been added to.  I believe yuou have 37 million dollars in that pot.  If this 4.4 million is approved it will generate a 60-88 million dollar appropriation for the new state office building.

4:35:46 ~ 12/12/2008 2:01:46 PM ~ Nicholas:  In the leased spaces do we have major maintenace on any building.

4:36:14 ~ 12/12/2008 2:02:14 PM ~ Rich: A mixed bag..some include utitlities and janitorial services and others provide nothing.  We have leases around the state tht we are likely to never get out of.  We run the numbers on all our leases...if we had that building  we would reduce our leases to about 1.5 million annually. We can get almost all the general funded agencies into state owned buildings.

4:38:27 ~ 12/12/2008 2:04:27 PM ~ Harshman:  There were some ...if you could have one thing back that was denied what would it be?

4:39:11 ~ 12/12/2008 2:05:11 PM ~ Rich:  I try not to become an advocate of any project. I guess it would be the project of this new state building would be the one thing.

4:40:14 ~ 12/12/2008 2:06:14 PM ~ Nicholas: The...how much is being paid by Federal funds...department of health is about 70% federally funded.  That is why we moved the health department out of the hathawy building out to the Qwest building.

4:42:02 ~ 12/12/2008 2:08:02 PM ~ Nicholas:  How does the reimbursement work?   Explain tht  please.

4:42:29 ~ 12/12/2008 2:08:29 PM ~ Jopyce:  We have a charged back process.    I believe we depreciate over 30 years.

4:43:19 ~ 12/12/2008 2:09:19 PM ~ Ncholas:  If you could give us a spreadsheet that shows all of that.  Two to three million dollars...I am curious if we brought them into a new building.. Is that a justifiable concern.

4:44:50 ~ 12/12/2008 2:10:50 PM ~ Joyce:  We can do that comparison.

4:45:09 ~ 12/12/2008 2:11:09 PM ~ Ncholas:  We ar paying a portion of the leases.  We may not see a 5 million dollar savings.  Other questions that is it for the A & I,,,,

4:45:57 ~ 12/12/2008 2:11:58 PM ~ Rich:  I just want to touch on the cap con

4:46:59 ~ 12/12/2008 2:12:59 PM ~ Nicholas: I just want to go through the list on page 7...as I am going through this pipe up

4:47:35 ~ 12/12/2008 2:13:35 PM ~ Meier:  Can you talk to the commissioners up there and see if we could get a bigger bang for the buck.  See if there is any interest at all.

4:48:35 ~ 12/12/2008 2:14:35 PM ~ Rich: I think you are asking for any leverage..

4:48:54 ~ 12/12/2008 2:14:54 PM ~ Meier:  I don't want to kick the pioneers out of their building.

4:49:36 ~ 12/12/2008 2:15:36 PM ~ Nicholas:  Rich thank you very much.

4:49:46 ~ 12/12/2008 2:15:46 PM ~ Nicholas:  Does that finish your budget?

4:50:08 ~ 12/12/2008 2:16:08 PM ~ McVay: Retiree health coverage.  That creates some problems with them...I was suggesting that we modify the language to limit the assessment...changing the one percent to "up to one percent"  Reduce the charge to the agency..any questions about that.

4:51:34 ~ 12/12/2008 2:17:34 PM ~ Nicholas: We have one of the bills we are going to be working.  Fund an insurance for retirees.  Other questions?

4:52:06 ~ 12/12/2008 2:18:06 PM ~ Pedersen:  Where can I get that information?

4:52:26 ~ 12/12/2008 2:18:26 PM ~ McVay:  I will meet with you to discuss and answer any questions.

4:52:40 ~ 12/12/2008 2:18:40 PM ~ McVay:  Also we would like to add another tier to insurance for single parent families..lower rate for what we currently charge..

4:53:17 ~ 12/12/2008 2:19:17 PM ~ Nicholas:  Do you need legislative intervention?

4:53:32 ~ 12/12/2008 2:19:32 PM ~ Ralph:  The goal is to provide better clarification and to provide single parent coverage at a lower rate.   Currently they are paying the same as two adult households.

4:54:30 ~ 12/12/2008 2:20:30 PM ~ Massie:  Is there a different rate for retirees...

4:54:45 ~ 12/12/2008 2:20:45 PM ~ Ralph:  They do pay additional amounts for the same coverage under 65.

4:55:02 ~ 12/12/2008 2:21:02 PM ~ Massie:  Since we are now contributing....why not have them pay the same as the people who are working.

4:56:09 ~ 12/12/2008 2:22:09 PM ~ Massie:  Could we get some scenarios to that.  If we were to have them at the same rate what would be the ramifications to the budget.

4:56:37 ~ 12/12/2008 2:22:37 PM ~ Nicholas:  The active retirees are still being subsidized by the active employees.

4:57:03 ~ 12/12/2008 2:23:03 PM ~ Ralph:  Do to the fact that the under 65 are using more services...

4:57:30 ~ 12/12/2008 2:23:30 PM ~ Nicholas:  You still want to see the blending..

4:57:49 ~ 12/12/2008 2:23:49 PM ~ Massie:  Insurance companie do tht and I think it comes down to a policy decision.

4:58:09 ~ 12/12/2008 2:24:09 PM ~ Nicholas:  When employees are paying a portion of their benefits..

4:58:35 ~ 12/12/2008 2:24:35 PM ~ Ralph:  I could give you a snapshot of that .

4:58:44 ~ 12/12/2008 2:24:45 PM ~ Harshman:  Someone who works for 30-35 years...if you could give us those scenarios.

4:59:05 ~ 12/12/2008 2:25:05 PM ~ Ralph:  We ar currently doing some of that.

4:59:24 ~ 12/12/2008 2:25:24 PM ~ McVay: Does that cover all the questions.

4:59:45 ~ 12/12/2008 2:25:46 PM ~ Nicholas: We will take ten minutes and then we will go to the SLIB.

5:00:14 ~ 12/12/2008 2:26:13 PM ~ Pause

5:00:14 ~ 12/12/2008 2:38:21 PM ~ Resume

5:00:18 ~ 12/12/2008 2:38:25 PM ~ Lynne Boomgaarden  Introduction of staff.  We are bringing up the rear.  I think we can make it short and sweet.  Should I proceed.  Page 13 #1.......Agency wide integrated systems.  We ned to work on automating and digitizing data.  Better position to report the perfrmance... In visiting with governor and we were candid,..  we were so early in project..  we were making  sure that we would be ready... we ould come back ...  now we have a higher level of confidence.  We did complete a business case.  It has been approved.  It is important to the agency.  We are a revenue genrating agency.  209 million generated.  Much a paper driven process.  We can do a lot better job and do a better jb of collcting.  We are land manager... have to go to plat books..  can go to hard copies and go to the file.  If we can incorporate the appropriate GIS program  we will be able to better manage the land.  Lastly,  it addresses.....between the grant and loan and SLIP  we are accountable for 300 + million...By working through the A...project.  We are at the leading edge of .. we are able to leverage for benefit state lands as a whole.  Soft ware developmetn  GALS program.  Wyoming Business council came up last week.  Maybe we should use the same software.... there will be cross applications.  Lastly,American City .....I culd go through those.  This project addresses at least half ..........  we are in line.  It would allow us to finish version one... it is not a lot of bells and whistles   It will give us a workable automated program

5:09:10 ~ 12/12/2008 2:47:16 PM ~ Rep Phelps  When you are done... will one of us be able to go on line.

5:09:33 ~ 12/12/2008 2:47:40 PM ~ Lynne  Intra agency... contemplating a web portion.  Could you get that

5:10:00 ~ 12/12/2008 2:48:07 PM ~ Lynne.  I will refer to......the state wide will  work toward that.  With the remainder we are pushing hard to get the code written.

5:10:59 ~ 12/12/2008 2:49:06 PM ~ Sen Nic  And you have to go through this process.....

5:11:15 ~ 12/12/2008 2:49:22 PM ~ Bob vonWolsfradt.... instead of looking... came to us and what would need for the future.  Getting them so we can release to other agencies.  We don't want to add on..  just know we have it planned and will come back for more detail.

5:12:25 ~ 12/12/2008 2:50:32 PM ~ Sen Nic  out of IT  Excess property prgram.  They have collected money

5:12:51 ~ 12/12/2008 2:50:58 PM ~ Lynne  It is to show up front in the budget.  These are the county fees.

5:13:23 ~ 12/12/2008 2:51:29 PM ~ Sen Nic.   2 million willl go to emergencies..... consensus block dollars.... to counties. Governor's letter re-explaining things.  This was where he had the confusion

5:14:25 ~ 12/12/2008 2:52:32 PM ~ Lynne  Gov clarified.  It is an additional 35 applied through consensus program... use formula from last legislative session.....SLIP grant  underfunded capital projects.  Based on fact....... we have had 67 million applied for that has been unmet.  The board has expended... 67 applied for and rejected.  ...set aside for energy grants.

5:16:34 ~ 12/12/2008 2:54:41 PM ~ Sen NIc   In stages?

5:16:44 ~ 12/12/2008 2:54:50 PM ~ Lynne  All but...

5:16:51 ~ 12/12/2008 2:54:58 PM ~ Sen Nic Give a  spreadsheet.   Memo

5:17:22 ~ 12/12/2008 2:55:29 PM ~ Phelps  Also spread sheet on distributing. and distribution under formula.

5:17:46 ~ 12/12/2008 2:55:53 PM ~ Lynne,  Wamsutter project.  Letter from Mayor,,, said provide matching funds.  The session before appropriated if private match. It has not been the desire not to ask for private match money.

5:18:48 ~ 12/12/2008 2:56:54 PM ~ Sen  Nic  Series?

5:18:55 ~ 12/12/2008 2:57:02 PM ~ Lynne     The projects are................ the residual.

5:19:20 ~ 12/12/2008 2:57:27 PM ~ Sen Meier   Cities, towns and counties meet once a month... if had extra money it should go to the SLIP board. You got more than anything else.  The gov recs would be the best for them.

5:20:27 ~ 12/12/2008 2:58:34 PM ~ Sen Nic  We are a little larger community.  Any other questions?

5:21:22 ~ 12/12/2008 2:59:29 PM ~ George Parksk.

5:21:37 ~ 12/12/2008 2:59:44 PM ~ Lynne 2 million for emergency

5:21:54 ~ 12/12/2008 3:00:01 PM ~ George Parks    Context of material based on governor's recommendation.  There are lots of ifs.  Will lthe legislature.. if you do those things. The base amount that can be used for .... those base  are less than they were for the previous biennium.

5:23:07 ~ 12/12/2008 3:01:14 PM ~ Sen Nic  We will work with you.   Guaranteed/

5:23:22 ~ 12/12/2008 3:01:29 PM ~ Geogre  This is the direct distribution... n

5:23:34 ~ 12/12/2008 3:01:41 PM ~ Sen Nic.  No direct....  if not, thank you for accomodating our schedule..

5:24:36 ~ 12/12/2008 3:02:42 PM ~ Sen Nic  We can just wait and attend to it...... if they are ready for prime time.

5:25:40 ~ 12/12/2008 3:03:46 PM ~ Sen Nic  Lets start off

5:25:49 ~ 12/12/2008 3:03:56 PM ~ Sommers  Wind River education program.   We have been appropriating.  Last session the governor... we put it in the 05 budget.  This bill conforms to that statute.  Deals with...

5:26:52 ~ 12/12/2008 3:04:59 PM ~ Sen Nic  St Stephans... Crank wanted a contract.  I assume there is such a contract. any opinion???

5:27:32 ~ 12/12/2008 3:05:38 PM ~ Sen Nic  Send out the jballots  Jacket it .  House bill. Next one

5:28:16 ~ 12/12/2008 3:06:23 PM ~ Sommers  Electrical and firman bill....By way of history.  Got it?  This where we have ..... for the past 3 or 4 years.  It simply authorizes him to do that.  It also is permissive.  There is no requirement.  he inherited ... I don't know if he is in favor or assessing... not required.  Only entity he is assessing a fee to.... we are collecting that .  Fiscal impact.   20,000 difference. from other funds

5:30:38 ~ 12/12/2008 3:08:45 PM ~ Sen NIc  Pss that on for a card vote and make it a senate file

5:30:56 ~ 12/12/2008 3:09:02 PM ~ Sommers.   314 C1  Mike said that both chairs have been involved.. We need to discuss.  Codification of the gov budget and elected officials budget.  Moving expenses.  Last session we put money in budget with no language.  It was the request of the executive branch.

5:32:26 ~ 12/12/2008 3:10:33 PM ~ Sen Nic.  This is the first time.  Leave it and take up early part of session.  We will have.

5:33:22 ~ 12/12/2008 3:11:29 PM ~ Dave  Standing committees .

5:33:40 ~ 12/12/2008 3:11:46 PM ~ Sen Nic  Will work as JAC and one as Senate.

5:34:04 ~ 12/12/2008 3:12:10 PM ~ Sommers.

5:34:38 ~ 12/12/2008 3:12:44 PM ~ Dave... the last bill  does provide for fees.. need to be started in the house.  The other point.. rolled into that is from 30 to 40 dollars.

5:35:28 ~ 12/12/2008 3:13:35 PM ~ Sommers   Senator Meier bills.  Compensation for elected officials

5:35:54 ~ 12/12/2008 3:14:01 PM ~ Sen Meier.  Does increase the salary for the top elected officials....frankly Superintendent is underpaid.  They have people under them who are paid more than they are.  The other part is the retirement... 5% for 2 yars..and then drops down... pay you a decent retirement... it kind of dovetails with the philosopy  we have had with judges.  Frankly, some of the folks have been doing musical chairs....That's the basis of it in a nutshell.  Also recognizes the retirement issue.

5:38:23 ~ 12/12/2008 3:16:30 PM ~ Sen Nic  How many of us would support a bill to raise the statutory salary... majority   Retirement tied to... we would all of the elected officials salaries.  Historically, the governor was highest.  About 6 years ago, we wrere not... holding down the judiciary.  The Judiciary.. is up to and DJ  a...................

5:40:20 ~ 12/12/2008 3:18:26 PM ~ Dave... can give same bump as othe state employees.

5:40:35 ~ 12/12/2008 3:18:41 PM ~ Sen Nic  The bill that had consolidated increase... did not pss.  We can give judges a COLA...  now allow us to do that in budget bill.  The COLA is constitutional and only comes effective when new judge .. My personal sense... I did not think that we would get lots of support.  Let's go back.  Is there

5:42:25 ~ 12/12/2008 3:20:32 PM ~ Meier   As far a problem...  I think that ....if that is the case... I am not against..  Get rid of the link.  It is reasonable to put COLA.  If we want to take linkage off.

5:43:37 ~ 12/12/2008 3:21:44 PM ~ Sen Nic  Give your pitch.  only question ..

5:43:54 ~ 12/12/2008 3:22:01 PM ~ Meier  we need to move forward on the link.

5:44:07 ~ 12/12/2008 3:22:13 PM ~ Rep Pederson   Does another state have this.

5:44:32 ~ 12/12/2008 3:22:38 PM ~ Sen Nic What is the consensus.

5:44:42 ~ 12/12/2008 3:22:49 PM ~ Rep Jorgenson.  I would favor the linkage.

5:44:57 ~ 12/12/2008 3:23:04 PM ~ Sen Nic I don't think that people like the linkage.  As an advocate for higher salaries... they drag down the jjudiciary.  It gets complicated.  Make everyone stand on their own.   Accelerated rate...  23  judges 18 for law enforcement   kick them up to 22 .

5:46:44 ~ 12/12/2008 3:24:50 PM ~ Meier.  Vesting rate.  If you happen to do musical chairs......As gov or some other... only vessted at 2 ...

5:47:34 ~ 12/12/2008 3:25:41 PM ~ Dave.  We don't have the numbers.  Benefits don't match the judges... because....

5:48:12 ~ 12/12/2008 3:26:19 PM ~ Sen Meier  Settle on vesting rates... I think it will be similar.

5:48:35 ~ 12/12/2008 3:26:41 PM ~ Rep Phelps  It could be amended into the bill.

5:48:57 ~ 12/12/2008 3:27:04 PM ~ Dave  It is a single subject... change original p

5:49:23 ~ 12/12/2008 3:27:30 PM ~ Sen Nic  How many would support an accelerated... So we will work with that.  Come back to us.  How many would jsupport 130,000 How many would support more than 130,000.

5:50:30 ~ 12/12/2008 3:28:37 PM ~ Rep Jorgenson  We are not paying enough for the job.

5:50:56 ~ 12/12/2008 3:29:03 PM ~ Sen Nic  People don't care where they start from.. they look at the rate of increase.  Man on the street... I would do the job for .........  Not too much to ask.

5:51:43 ~ 12/12/2008 3:29:49 PM ~ Massie,  We looked at this in ... council... bring out  the comparisons.  I don't mind

5:52:22 ~ 12/12/2008 3:30:28 PM ~ Sen Nic  Prepare the draft.  Put gov at... and a % increase for the others.  Collect.  Get the data.  Look at this data along with the others.

5:53:08 ~ 12/12/2008 3:31:14 PM ~ Sen Meier  There are people making in School districts who are making more than the Superintendent.  I am acturally leaning toward.......Lets

5:53:56 ~ 12/12/2008 3:32:03 PM ~ fPhelps

5:54:04 ~ 12/12/2008 3:32:10 PM ~ Sen Nic  Do you want to stage it...

5:54:17 ~ 12/12/2008 3:32:24 PM ~ REp Jorgenson  I would propose the hard line.  We each think... if we don't ask for that... no one else ...

5:54:52 ~ 12/12/2008 3:32:59 PM ~ Rep Harshman  No body is putting a gun to their heads and forcing them to run.  The superintendent.  On the retirement.. that is pretty generous.. rehiring retireees.  Just so we structure that.l Drawing retirement and running...

5:56:22 ~ 12/12/2008 3:34:28 PM ~ Sen Nic.  Do you get to double dip.

5:56:40 ~ 12/12/2008 3:34:47 PM ~ Dave...  Double dip...

5:56:52 ~ 12/12/2008 3:34:59 PM ~ Meier.  I am not adverse to going to zero... term limits.

5:57:17 ~ 12/12/2008 3:35:23 PM ~ REp Jorgenson   We need to put  more time

5:57:32 ~ 12/12/2008 3:35:39 PM ~ Sen Nic  We will decide ... pass voting until the session.  Get us the figures above 90,000   .... historically they have given that to us.  We

5:58:24 ~ 12/12/2008 3:36:30 PM ~ Dave.  We have already done that

5:58:31 ~ 12/12/2008 3:36:38 PM ~ Sen Nic  Find out what the hospital ...Richard get that to us above 90  so we don't have to ask for it again.  We will want to see the LSO.... We will get all of that.  You are right. Does that cover everything?

5:59:45 ~ 12/12/2008 3:37:52 PM ~ Dave.  Do you want these sent ...

5:59:56 ~ 12/12/2008 3:38:02 PM ~ Sen Nic  New JAC will work arly in the session.   Anything else?

6:00:22 ~ 12/12/2008 3:38:28 PM ~ Sommers.  Five pages. Front is an explanation.  We don't have a name for this.

6:00:54 ~ 12/12/2008 3:39:01 PM ~ Sen Nic  What is the likely hood... week befor causcuses.  We

6:01:13 ~ 12/12/2008 3:39:19 PM ~ Sommers.  We will have the report out by Sat

6:01:29 ~ 12/12/2008 3:39:36 PM ~ Sen Nic  If you get out ....

6:01:41 ~ 12/12/2008 3:39:48 PM ~ Sommers... The official report ready the 9th.  First page is a brief explanation of what each page reprsents.  What this is ... shows the journal fund... Extra spendind..... look at .......individual basis..  yu can see what we have been spending has greatly increased.  The 9 and 10 includes gov recommendation. ........the total has changed from 01 and 02 to 09-10.   It has had a tremendous increase.  The one thing that I want to spend jon extras.  When you look at less the extras.  If we do face a revenue problem in the future... we can fund the majority of state govt.  Bottom line..  Point is if the revenue does turn south we are not....;

6:05:06 ~ 12/12/2008 3:43:12 PM ~ Meier.  Can you give us a $ figur as far as... when would we have to supplement.

6:05:32 ~ 12/12/2008 3:43:38 PM ~ Sommers.  The last two...Next page long term budget account.  What we did here was used ... we used the January forecast for revenue.  If we change to same leel as last January.  If you spend... If you agree.. you will have......carryover..... they are on line...if you accepted the gov recs.... you will have.... point is if our revenues.. and you spend.... you don't have much wiggle room.  The forecast was the   We used.....for 09  I'm not sure where we will end up in January.  We come back in January and it will be less.  Actually,  we did have a few months where it was high.  We will update this when we get our new revenue . The next page is the school foundation program.  Rerun with gov rec  and look under appropriateions section.  You will see the transfer to the................  that is your sweep.  With the Gov rec in the current crag report   Significantly less  Look at .....  we still leave...  11 and 12  you will only have....... Remember, look to the next page.  The school cap con account.  If you spend at the same rare, you will need to come up with 392 million dollars.   ..... you have a problem.

6:11:18 ~ 12/12/2008 3:49:25 PM ~ Sen Nic  Harshman had an ideas to pull it away from the coal lease bonuses.  I'm not sure if everyone shares that ..... put that sweep into ........ build that corpus... you would have something that is far more transparent.... second issue.... coal ... what do you want to do with the coal lease bonuses.

6:12:53 ~ 12/12/2008 3:51:00 PM ~ Sommrers. We can do that... have to careful about dates.  Remember there is a two year lag...when we make the money and spend the money.  Those ..... right now we are looking at 2009 for haiving lousy prices.... could be  a lot worse.  We are definitely going to be careful where you put the money

6:14:29 ~ 12/12/2008 3:52:35 PM ~ Sen Nic  With respect....the sweep goes.   coal lease into holding account... unless we other wise specify.

6:15:03 ~ 12/12/2008 3:53:10 PM ~ Meier  Looks like we will be short money.  If you put it into something permanent... we can't spend... or we are going to have to find aother reenue source.  Not sustainable.

6:16:00 ~ 12/12/2008 3:54:07 PM ~ Massie   We have a constitutinal requirement that we have to meet........ left over balance... school construction ... prmanent fund... three station... recalibartion

6:16:46 ~ 12/12/2008 3:54:53 PM ~ REp Harshman..   we could leave that million... completely funds CAP CON   and couldl look at....the second thing...  That is if we spend the gov rec... we ahave more to look

6:17:48 ~ 12/12/2008 3:55:55 PM ~ Sen Nic  Given the spread sheets that you have now.  How many would want to see an amendment to the sweep... that will probably happen.  We can take up ... Amend the budget bill... doesn't occur.....

6:18:52 ~ 12/12/2008 3:56:59 PM ~ Sommers.................... we have to make sure that we have

6:19:05 ~ 12/12/2008 3:57:12 PM ~ Sen Nic  We keep our sweeps and everything goes into the school ...... probably be pay schools   what is a reasonable amt.?  The carry over minimum

6:19:49 ~ 12/12/2008 3:57:56 PM ~ Sommers  We need to crunch numbers.

6:20:04 ~ 12/12/2008 3:58:11 PM ~ Sen Nic  Your notiion that we would do one more sweep.  If that accounts g

6:20:32 ~ 12/12/2008 3:58:39 PM ~ Sommers... If it gets too hight.

6:20:47 ~ 12/12/2008 3:58:54 PM ~ Sen Nic  Would have to change the law. We would know the numbers.  Have Dean give us a flow chart of what is happening now and what will happen with change.  If you hae a better idea

6:21:38 ~ 12/12/2008 3:59:45 PM ~ Meier  If that is the number you need.

6:21:52 ~ 12/12/2008 3:59:58 PM ~ Sen Nic   Then you collect.... psople will start diverting it.  Get some money going in...

6:22:27 ~ 12/12/2008 4:00:33 PM ~ Phelps  It seems to me at some point if this massive school construction.... we did not contemplate that the cost would level off or go down.

6:23:12 ~ 12/12/2008 4:01:19 PM ~ Sen Nic   We are hiting the plateau.    You have to look at all the school bond issues.

6:23:38 ~ 12/12/2008 4:01:45 PM ~ Phelps...  did the coal bonus money

6:23:58 ~ 12/12/2008 4:02:04 PM ~ Massie.  We don't want a conflict.

6:24:31 ~ 12/12/2008 4:02:37 PM ~ Sommers... we can come with a percentage.. the trigger.is a ....we can work on that

6:24:51 ~ 12/12/2008 4:02:57 PM ~ Harshman  We do not want to use general funds for schools.  Have that dedicated sosurce... First thing to go .... backstops... not borrwo from

6:25:36 ~ 12/12/2008 4:03:43 PM ~ Sen Nic. I would propose that we have the bill drafted... to complement the budge... do we want to conform the statute.

6:26:11 ~ 12/12/2008 4:04:18 PM ~ Sen Meier.It does from the stand point.   I am talking about 10 and 11--If we hit... we won't feel...

6:27:18 ~ 12/12/2008 4:05:25 PM ~ Sen Meier.   Well, this is ...

6:27:37 ~ 12/12/2008 4:05:43 PM ~ Sommers.  If we sweep....

6:27:48 ~ 12/12/2008 4:05:54 PM ~ Sen Nic  We will have a second sweep at some level.  Unitl we know.....spread sheet

6:28:29 ~ 12/12/2008 4:06:35 PM ~ Harshman.... the same thing... it is a raining day...rainy day fund.

6:28:50 ~ 12/12/2008 4:06:57 PM ~ Sen Nic  state lands to support schools.  As the founders ... we to build up a corpus. so

6:29:27 ~ 12/12/2008 4:07:34 PM ~ Dave

6:29:47 ~ 12/12/2008 4:07:54 PM ~ Harshman Back on page 2..... our extra spending was about... we have done a lot ,...

6:30:16 ~ 12/12/2008 4:08:22 PM ~ Sommers  The point is... no, it's not.  We may not be able to do all the extra stuff.  That is the calll that you as policy makers make.  If you don't have any money....This is just our general fund.

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6:31:26 ~ 12/12/2008 4:09:32 PM ~ Pause

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