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JAC 2011 – 2012 BUDGET HEARINGS 12/11/09
0 ~ 12/11/2009 8:09:10 AM ~ Start Recording
0 ~ 12/11/2009 8:09:10 AM ~ 2011/2012 Budget Hearings December 11, 2009
6 ~ 12/11/2009 8:09:16 AM ~ Sleeter Dover: I appear before you to...allocation of funding...law examiners...the wyo Supremem court appoints 5 attorney around the state...prior to those times they meet...wyoming protion of the law exam and what refers to Wyoming law...after the tests are given they meet around the state to grade those examinations...receiving the multi state bar exam and the y receive those scores..so that we can release those...the wyoming...that is overview of what the board does...at an attended...we have a a fitness committee...they conduct what they call a background to make sure that they meet4 our requirements...with that Mr. Chairman I suppose if we go to the actual numbers...they are always based on the expected number of what we will have...it is hard to know who will show up for the test...as long as we get the fees ahead of time...last testing we had 90...there is an intersting trend...when the economy went downmore people decided to go to the law school...and yet when the economy went down...more lawyers lost their jobs...we are anticipating around 90 examinees in July...somewhere betwee 90 and 120
4:48 ~ 12/11/2009 8:13:58 AM ~ Nicholas: What is the pass rate
4:56 ~ 12/11/2009 8:14:06 AM ~ Sleeter: 72% this year which is the highest we have had..
5:11 ~ 12/11/2009 8:14:21 AM ~ Nicholas;I didn't see any exceptions...
5:28 ~ 12/11/2009 8:14:39 AM ~ Sleeter: That is correct...we ar pretty straight forward...we have had some very good deal around the state...
5:56 ~ 12/11/2009 8:15:06 AM ~ Massie: It notes that the appropriation does not cover all expenses...what other sources do you have?
6:20 ~ 12/11/2009 8:15:30 AM ~ Sleeter:...other...that is primarily our bread and butter source...we try to use as much flexibility as we can...
6:58 ~ 12/11/2009 8:16:08 AM ~ Massie: Those funds don't need approval to spend.
7:13 ~ 12/11/2009 8:16:24 AM ~ Sleeter: No we do not however we do have to do it through the board which can sometimes be tougher..
7:34 ~ 12/11/2009 8:16:44 AM ~ Nicholas: Thank you very much.
7:54 ~ 12/11/2009 8:17:04 AM ~ Pat Anderson: Board of Parole...brief overview...reimbursed at the same rate as the legislators...we have been a seperate operating...primary thing the board does is to release inmates to parole...that includes conducting hearings...that has involved alot of out state travel...we only have inmates in Virginia and that is coming to an end shortly which I am thnkful for...does have a huge impact...600 inmates have been able now to be supervised in the communities...another prison if these people would not be able to be supervised in the community...helping criminals back to being a productive member of the community...engage in programming to address criminal issues...they want to see that they have availed themselves...they have behaved well...hope of early release ...when an inmate is released it is under the supervision of an officers..
11:36 ~ 12/11/2009 8:20:46 AM ~ Nicholas: When did we tell Mike to come?
11:59 ~ 12/11/2009 8:21:09 AM ~ Bill: I believe you told him 10:00 a.m.
12:11 ~ 12/11/2009 8:21:21 AM ~ Nicholas: Have him come at 9:00 a.m.
12:20 ~ 12/11/2009 8:21:30 AM ~ Pat: We have hearings twice a month...range from three to four days...two staff memebers to provide support services..we have used one of the state planes...and that is quite an expense...our standard budget is reduced from previous..
13:24 ~ 12/11/2009 8:22:35 AM ~ Steward: You have seven employees are they all parole officers.
13:38 ~ 12/11/2009 8:22:48 AM ~ Pat: They are not agents...superviision services are provided by the Dept of Corrections. My employees are located here in Cheyenne...we have 2 clerical type staff...now we have electronic files...we put their full history on a disc...we have one working board secretary and she travels with the board and produces documents through the course of the hearings..board coordinator who maintains communications...he acactuall goes to the hearings as a ,,,,and then last but not least we have a business office coordinator...does payrol and provides support to me...
16:15 ~ 12/11/2009 8:25:25 AM ~ Hammons: Can you describe for me..how does the board of parole deal with the substance abuse issue.
16:40 ~ 12/11/2009 8:25:50 AM ~ Pat: It is a huge issue...nationally it is about 30% of all inmates....the state has dones great things to create programs...100 bed program in Casper...the board looks at..use of a ssessments...we have validated...we look at ....if it indicates...recommends that they get parole they have to complete...that function is so important that it is in our plan...about 75%...not everyone does not need these programs...we have other programs like TACT after the parole is granted... Almost always requires after care..last session...court supervised treatment programs...what I have been doing since July I have been going around to get these programs to take these inmates..
19:52 ~ 12/11/2009 8:29:02 AM ~ Townsend: The officer that manages these clients..they play a big role in if they get parole?
20:18 ~ 12/11/2009 8:29:28 AM ~ Pat: the paroling decision is primary responsibility is the case worker...overseeing their behavior...department of correction does make instiutional recommendation...where the agent comes in is when the bad things happen and they have to testify ...on a more positive note...another new authority..is parole good time systems...a motivator for more inmates to apply for parole...recommendations from the agent to see how much good time to award...in lieu of evocation they may ....a serious violation the agent may want to work with them...we put alot of credence in what the agent says...we don't have alot more interaction with the parolee
23:04 ~ 12/11/2009 8:32:14 AM ~ Nichoals: Thank you for your presentation...
24:37 ~ 12/11/2009 8:33:46 AM ~ Pause
24:37 ~ 12/11/2009 8:38:28 AM ~ Resume
24:37 ~ 12/11/2009 8:38:28 AM ~ Nicholas:
24:41 ~ 12/11/2009 8:38:33 AM ~ Nicholas: Let's just go ahead and start with Mike.
25:07 ~ 12/11/2009 8:38:59 AM ~ Mike: Yea! or yes sir...Just for your information the economic development tht begins on 156 and there are no exception and then on the library.. this Leslie has been a trooper look at page 159 she is down 2 emplyees
26:41 ~ 12/11/2009 8:40:33 AM ~ Nicholas: How is the new facility working out?
26:55 ~ 12/11/2009 8:40:46 AM ~ Mike: I give credit to Rich Athcart...one of the nicest facilities in Cheyenne...the libray proper is seperated from...so if someone wants to schedule a meeting on the ...A great job...Leslie got furniture from..someone donated a table..it is a very nice facility...very happy with it..
28:27 ~ 12/11/2009 8:42:19 AM ~ Nicholas: How is the conferencing center being use?
28:40 ~ 12/11/2009 8:42:31 AM ~ Mike: Quite a bit...a larger one and a smaller one...Leslie keeps an eye on things...
29:01 ~ 12/11/2009 8:42:53 AM ~ Nicholas: Does an operator have to be there?
29:10 ~ 12/11/2009 8:43:01 AM ~ Mike: You have to have someone there...it can host a fairly good sized..
29:34 ~ 12/11/2009 8:43:26 AM ~ Mike the next budget is the CIO office..the CIO reports to the governor...the governor has passed some of that down to me...he reports to me now and he has a fair number of exception requests.. page 165---supplies, equipment and ...governor apporved...the next is on the bottom of page 167...this is our number one priority..single email solution for the entire state...we currently have 18 systems...so the only way you can see those systems..the idea is that we are going to eliminate all those syystems..we are not sure if we are going to buy or build...this is our best guess...this request has been before you...removed for budget restraints during the supplemental budget...I would like to wait for Bob to come if you have technical questions.
32:59 ~ 12/11/2009 8:46:51 AM ~ Nicholas: Will we be able to apply...
33:07 ~ 12/11/2009 8:46:59 AM ~ Mike: I will say that if they are on the mainstream email system we build in charges for the number...
33:33 ~ 12/11/2009 8:47:25 AM ~ Nicholas: You are up.
33:42 ~ 12/11/2009 8:47:34 AM ~ Niholas: If we put in the cost how..
34:12 ~ 12/11/2009 8:48:03 AM ~ Bob: The embedded costs are already in the cost...the agencies have already been paying for each box...plus or minus a dollar or dollar and a half.
34:49 ~ 12/11/2009 8:48:41 AM ~ Bob: In addition to that we tried to start implementing..is kind of a buy or build approach...whether that is hardware...not alwyas the best solution for it...we evaluate all the options..there is some interest...provide that service not sure that that is the most cost effective...serve the state much better...
36:11 ~ 12/11/2009 8:50:02 AM ~ Nicholas: From now on you build your request for...you could have buy, build or contract...
36:35 ~ 12/11/2009 8:50:26 AM ~ Bob: That is true and some agencies are opposed to that...it is a new day and we need to see how...a good example is the need for tranparency...we are trying to look at it in a much broader system.
37:27 ~ 12/11/2009 8:51:19 AM ~ Nicholas: i have heard that the CAMA system is a great system..
37:44 ~ 12/11/2009 8:51:36 AM ~ Bob: That is true...what happens is that people get very comfortable for those contracts and they go on and on...we may want to build the expertise inside...we can't afford to replicate some of tht inside that state...
38:34 ~ 12/11/2009 8:52:26 AM ~ Nicholas: Do you have the authority to approve all these things...
38:50 ~ 12/11/2009 8:52:42 AM ~ Bob: It is close but it is a bit foggy...sppeaking with those types of issues...probably a good step and tighten it up a bit...we generally have good acceptance of that...we are one of the few people who can say no...we just have to do it in a gentler way..
39:54 ~ 12/11/2009 8:53:46 AM ~ Meier: One of the cost savings initiatives is to quite publishing the directory...can we look at some sort of linking...public having actual email addresses for employees...what the policy actually is and citizens contacting the employees directly...
41:13 ~ 12/11/2009 8:55:05 AM ~ Bob: Absolutely and that is another pivitol thing we need to visit with the committe in January...much quiker...which of those..what should be put on the web...explore those kinds of things...what happens is..if I have to reduce my budget...when you put it in a broader scope...we need to look at that in a broader scope..very good topic for this committee..
42:49 ~ 12/11/2009 8:56:41 AM ~ Meier: How many emails are we talking about?
43:00 ~ 12/11/2009 8:56:51 AM ~ Bob: Just under 10K and about 8K that use them...we refrain from publishing all ...some judges..some consideration of what we would or wouldn't do..four what that means is that we haave four independent--all to do about the same things..we need to do this together and they have all agreed to meet with us next week..so w have a good opportunity forward..
44:44 ~ 12/11/2009 8:58:35 AM ~ Mike: It is germain to this conversation...what we are talking about really works. That effort alone we have saved about 1.3 million...master services saved us about 200K and then we went to the cell phones and saved about 700K...there is evidence that it works.
45:52 ~ 12/11/2009 8:59:44 AM ~ Nicholas: Does the emails get published for just the state employees or the public...how do you stop the spamming...
46:21 ~ 12/11/2009 9:00:13 AM ~ Bob: it is just ...some are very robust and complex...sometime it is very difficult to find agency telephone numbers...clean up the state's enterprise..
47:04 ~ 12/11/2009 9:00:55 AM ~ Nicholas: it was a great resource...you could have state employees just reading emails and getting no work done at all...
47:32 ~ 12/11/2009 9:01:23 AM ~ Bob: The spam control we have right now...blocking going on..generally we get about 3%relative emails and we are blocking 97%...
48:13 ~ 12/11/2009 9:02:04 AM ~ Nicholas: even with the 3% they could be working emails then doing any other work.
48:41 ~ 12/11/2009 9:02:33 AM ~ Bob: We are as a society...using emails rather than calling..the eportal vein...who then get assigned,...by in large they are going electronic..
49:35 ~ 12/11/2009 9:03:26 AM ~ Nicholas: many companies are using systems that allow you to ask questions and get a preformatted system..
50:03 ~ 12/11/2009 9:03:55 AM ~ Bob: Most people get frustrated by not being able to get a warm body...cross boudaries a little bit...an answer to that...how do we put those systems in place..that has to be part of that discussion.
50:46 ~ 12/11/2009 9:04:38 AM ~ Hammons: The magnitude of the request...we have a system in place that we are funding..what is going to happen in the first year...sounds like you are not really confident...do you expect the crossover to happen in the biennium..when do you expect the dollars to be allocated.
51:45 ~ 12/11/2009 9:05:36 AM ~ Bob: I am 100% confident...you can not stop using one and going to another in one day...most of the timeline questions will be outlined when the decision is made to buy, build or contract...revenue...we would not be wanting to dork around with their emails during tax time...how quickly can it go? we can buildthem overnight...there are some agencies that are already having problems so they will be first to transition...the big issue is the users...tht takes a little bit of training and hand holding.
53:51 ~ 12/11/2009 9:07:43 AM ~ Hammons: When we are meeting in a year will we have spent all the dollars or will we know how much is in front of us..
54:26 ~ 12/11/2009 9:08:18 AM ~ Bob: about 2.4 for the first year and about 2.6 in the second year...manage this much more in the public view...help desk calls, feedback,we want to unveil the mystique and we hope we can impact those throughout the state...we had one of those issues a couple ...
55:59 ~ 12/11/2009 9:09:51 AM ~ Berger: Bob can you give us a brief overview of the master service agreements..
56:35 ~ 12/11/2009 9:10:27 AM ~ John: First of all I know tht the gold and silver servces..usually the silver is an assist program where they have some internal support...the gold is that we manage it all...once signed up they have to go through the whole session..
58:11 ~ 12/11/2009 9:12:03 AM ~ John: WE have 3500 devices under contract right now and we try to build toward consistency...that is somewhat in conflict..we do see some differneces ...ultimatley lead to that objective.
59:14 ~ 12/11/2009 9:13:05 AM ~ Berger: It is changing the culture is what is so important and the cooperation between agencies...How cooperative are the agencies.
59:56 ~ 12/11/2009 9:13:48 AM ~ John: I think the culture is always behind the culture...depending on what the agency status is...the agency might drop services and they don't see the value and then they drop the service and find themselves in...sometimes created the perception tht the services...
1:01:03 ~ 12/11/2009 9:14:55 AM ~ Nicholas: If every one will pull out their proposed CIO language....here are my thoughts right now..I think we need to differientiate betwen..the reverting clause...on the B!! process..transfers should be approved the B!! approval process...with repsect to the telecommunications we are looking for something more aggressive..not only would you...need the ability to mandate.to direct those..this is a prudent purchase and we are going to require you to go through the approval process...have to be coordinated through the group...and you have the right to..it is a one step further...pooled and ...approval by the CIO...somebody has a beef they can go to the governor..
1:04:12 ~ 12/11/2009 9:18:03 AM ~ Meier: I am thinking that on the reporting we will get a seperate report...
1:04:34 ~ 12/11/2009 9:18:25 AM ~ Nicholas: That is true let's do that...reporting requirement to JAC..to the exception language..UW could be excepted.to the...but not the telecommunications...
1:05:41 ~ 12/11/2009 9:19:32 AM ~ Bob: Just a quick comment we have been able work well with the judicial branch...we need to be aware of what is being purchased and we were not in...we need to identify a communication mechanism..they have been relaltively good to work with...
1:06:50 ~ 12/11/2009 9:20:41 AM ~ Nicholas: Then the third one is the by build or contract...stretching th notion that ...I would think we are going to end up with three differnet sections.
1:07:33 ~ 12/11/2009 9:21:25 AM ~ Hammons: As it reads we appropriate through the school..they are autonomous...don't use the same ebook ...
1:08:06 ~ 12/11/2009 9:21:57 AM ~ Bob: I suggest tht it doesn't apply the first year...so we would have input at the acquisition.
1:08:32 ~ 12/11/2009 9:22:24 AM ~ Hammons: Then does that have to be addressed in part two?
1:08:46 ~ 12/11/2009 9:22:38 AM ~ Nicholas: probably circulate ...when we come back in janauary we would have ideas of what we want to do.
1:09:15 ~ 12/11/2009 9:23:07 AM ~ Steward: I guess in paragraph three what is the need forthe exemptions.
1:09:38 ~ 12/11/2009 9:23:29 AM ~ Nicholas: i don't think there shoudl be...consider that...if we want more coordination than let's get it...I think the assumption is that the judicial has its own branch...I don't think we should exempt through the telecommunications.
1:10:34 ~ 12/11/2009 9:24:25 AM ~ Steward: i think it is important to explain...of course that door will always be open I am more prone to not have exemptions...and wait for some one to come in a nd defend a reason for a n exclusion...
1:11:30 ~ 12/11/2009 9:25:21 AM ~ Bob: We can work up some language...we are concerned more about the infrastructture...they do work pretty well.
1:12:14 ~ 12/11/2009 9:26:06 AM ~ Nicholas: Let's take common networks...the courts finally came together. began making decisions that worked pretty well. make a committee tht..2 from A&I, one from the UW...let's get it coordinated...
1:13:23 ~ 12/11/2009 9:27:15 AM ~ Berger: In regards to ligistics...how often do youtalk with each other...
1:13:58 ~ 12/11/2009 9:27:50 AM ~ Bob: There are so many changing requests...after the budget is set...I think that is a wonderful topic to come back and talk with this team...we are sometimes making decisions in th blind...it is in their benefit to coordinate those in benefit...
1:15:08 ~ 12/11/2009 9:29:00 AM ~ Nicholas: Let's shift to the AWAC...no positions until the B!! process is completed...what I would propose is that beginning on the next budget...created by A&I
1:16:12 ~ 12/11/2009 9:30:03 AM ~ Mike: That already exists...there is an object code...0110 is the code...
1:16:39 ~ 12/11/2009 9:30:31 AM ~ Nicholas: I don't hink it makes it to our level.
1:17:14 ~ 12/11/2009 9:31:06 AM ~ Mike: page 74...several years ago we decided to display for your review ...the capability is there and there was some porblem..
1:18:32 ~ 12/11/2009 9:32:24 AM ~ Nicholas: Part B is to make sure that we are following the AWAC process and that no funding can be used..by exception requests..has to be renewed each biennium...we will review all AWACs and the obnly way you can get those positions through the B!! process....the exception requests need to explain time limited...grant limited etc.....reporting form to show what we want...effective immediately no AWACs created without going through the AWAC process.
1:20:56 ~ 12/11/2009 9:34:47 AM ~ Mike: I lwould interject ...anyone tht wants an AWAC./..you might have agencies is the only issue that they will have...it will be very easy in the bieenium budget...theough that instruction process...has to be an exception budget request.....you could look to see...
1:22:17 ~ 12/11/2009 9:36:08 AM ~ Nicholas: I concur with that...
1:22:27 ~ 12/11/2009 9:36:18 AM ~ Bill: I don't mean to speak out of turn....the reason you have not chosen to get into the process....tht is a completely,...if you start appropriating AWAC positions...160 positions...tht is a totally different deal than having a set number of positions...If legislature begins appropriating AWAC positions...the only reasonable ...you might remove that process...if I understand correctly...in general the executive branch needs to...you have avoided to put these in..
1:24:39 ~ 12/11/2009 9:38:31 AM ~ Mike: I disagree with Bill on this...if we zero...the legislalture...has appropriated in the past..the governor would have a chance to review.. Governor would ...not become part of the standrd budget...I think the process could work..
1:25:54 ~ 12/11/2009 9:39:46 AM ~ Nicholas: I don't think tht we are in opposition...I think it was not appropriate for the governor to issue 15 AWAC highway patrol...if the department of education gets 25 persons...fully intending to come to us for education funds...when it comes to us then the decision is already made....if congress says they are going to fund 100 cops.. Ican see both ways...I would like to tackle the issue..Mike I trust that you will address it...Bill I don't disagree with you...we don't want to prevent grants...but we do want them to go through the B!! process so that we can keep track of them...a showdown of whethee you lay peopl off...I would like to take a tackle at it..
1:29:06 ~ 12/11/2009 9:42:57 AM ~ Bill: i do think it makes sense...and what excludes it..butI also hate to see you get dragged into the B!! process.
1:29:50 ~ 12/11/2009 9:43:42 AM ~ Nicholas; I agree and i disagree...we should have that because they are as important as the FTE issue....I lthink we have lost control of it and i think that is what people think...
1:30:32 ~ 12/11/2009 9:44:24 AM ~ Bill: That is exactly my point...the language controlling...
1:30:47 ~ 12/11/2009 9:44:38 AM ~ Mike: I think you ar both right...there is a place for AWACs ingovernment.. Let's take the Geological group..they use alot of AWACs....I think they use it right and I tell you the ones I think that don't use it right...and that is education and Health...there are abuses and tht is what we are trying to get a handle on...
1:32:24 ~ 12/11/2009 9:46:16 AM ~ Nicholas: We have some concept out here...keep track of it and keep control of it....utilization...outside the budget process...general funds that could be filled by a parttime employee...give us an attempt at that...during ...Bill let's put it on the interim..
1:33:29 ~ 12/11/2009 9:47:21 AM ~ Bill: I thought maybe Mike and I could sit down with DAve Gruver before you come back..
1:33:53 ~ 12/11/2009 9:47:44 AM ~ Mike: We have not gone through the exceptions.
1:34:05 ~ 12/11/2009 9:47:57 AM ~ Massie: One request...Uncertinaty about when we will fit in the other..
1:34:49 ~ 12/11/2009 9:48:41 AM ~ Nicholas: Can we finish up on A&I....if you are patient...we will pick up speed..
1:35:14 ~ 12/11/2009 9:49:06 AM ~
1:35:16 ~ 12/11/2009 9:49:07 AM ~ Massie: Some questions about the libraries..we glossed over that..and then after that...the newspaper project,
1:35:45 ~ 12/11/2009 9:49:37 AM ~ Leslie: The endowment is working great...created a great deal of excitemnt...they had a community celebration..they are so appreciated tht appropriation..the state library does not manage the monies..printed off a hard copy...Mike I have soemthing else...the newspaper project...in 2007-2008 state library to digized all newspapers...750K pages downe and up on the web...RACK card so that you can see what we have on the web....I want to tell you that all the money has been spent...we discovered...that some newspapers are not available..the greatest compliment...PA Larson would be so proud..they are totally searchable....very powerful search engine...
1:39:12 ~ 12/11/2009 9:53:04 AM ~ Massie: You could type in the word ambulance...
1:39:34 ~ 12/11/2009 9:53:26 AM ~ Leslie: The real early editors they were very colorful you get a whole new persepctive...
1:40:03 ~ 12/11/2009 9:53:54 AM ~ Berger: The Gatsby rules..that has been a problem in some counties...
1:40:26 ~ 12/11/2009 9:54:18 AM ~ Leslie: This is a hot topic...fund balance accounting...based on the requirements tht they had to dissolve...we do not believe that is true...with an accountant..we have been watching with some interests... Considered...Campbell county attorney is asking for an opinion...
1:41:54 ~ 12/11/2009 9:55:45 AM ~ Nichols: Have you conferred with the AG,,, you can always have access to the AG...before the opinion comes out...while you may not have access your director does...I would not expect you to...
1:42:51 ~ 12/11/2009 9:56:43 AM ~ Leslie: Mr. director told me tht we have enjoyed our new space...we are going to be hosting the legislative reception..
1:43:24 ~ 12/11/2009 9:57:15 AM ~ Nicholas: The real opportunity is tht Rich Cathcart had...thank you very much..
1:43:47 ~ 12/11/2009 9:57:39 AM ~ Nicholas: The CIO we have one more exception.
1:44:04 ~ 12/11/2009 9:57:56 AM ~ Mike: There is actually one more on page 167 and the next one is on page 169...required alot of resources...in addition to that same level of reporting...looked at some ..governor has denied..
1:45:10 ~ 12/11/2009 9:59:01 AM ~ Mike: The next budget is capital construction and I will ask Rich to come up and explain.
1:45:42 ~ 12/11/2009 9:59:33 AM ~ Pause
1:45:42 ~ 12/11/2009 10:15:01 AM ~ Resume
1:45:46 ~ 12/11/2009 10:15:05 AM ~ Nicholas The Management Council wants to meet with us in Jan. I suggested Jan. 14 That is a Thursday afternoon. Rich tells us what you want tosay
1:47:39 ~ 12/11/2009 10:16:57 AM ~ Rich I came to discuss the various cap-con requests We will talk about the 5 cap-con request. We will talk about the Revenue acquisition.
1:48:36 ~ 12/11/2009 10:17:55 AM ~ Nicholas They are talking with the Treasures
1:49:28 ~ 12/11/2009 10:18:47 AM ~ Nicholas Here's the deal, we are going to use the cap-con book when we doe mark up
1:50:09 ~ 12/11/2009 10:19:28 AM ~ Rich No money for ADA compliance. Gov denied request and and was going to deal later Page 15 Original 7.8Mill This request we have added language to item #4 have found need to use dollars but not sure that have authority. Hence the language.
1:52:28 ~ 12/11/2009 10:21:46 AM ~ Nicholas We set up the fund that we know that are going to arise. I don't think our intent was to go around and get capital acquisitions. We provide for emergency repairs I think that the SPC use as a remodel fund is not right
1:53:47 ~ 12/11/2009 10:23:05 AM ~ Rich I agree. We hadn't anticepated moving Chief Washakie out front
1:54:21 ~ 12/11/2009 10:23:40 AM ~ Nicholas.. I would like more restrictive language. I don't want loss opportunities
1:55:24 ~ 12/11/2009 10:24:43 AM ~ Rich I assure it would not be the intention to use it for remodel.
1:55:53 ~ 12/11/2009 10:25:12 AM ~ Nicholas Need some restriction so that the funds will not be used other than what was intended
1:56:22 ~ 12/11/2009 10:25:41 AM ~ Rich The Gov. cut will be 4.7 Mill.
1:56:54 ~ 12/11/2009 10:26:13 AM ~ Nicholas We will have a closed meeting to discuss future opportunites.
1:57:24 ~ 12/11/2009 10:26:43 AM ~ Massie Do we need staturory language to roll that over.
1:57:47 ~ 12/11/2009 10:27:06 AM ~ Rich. No We were authorized 7,8Mill and can be replenished as necessary.
1:58:35 ~ 12/11/2009 10:27:54 AM ~ Rich Flex contingecy fund. The amount was based on the year we established on 5% on that amount. (10.2Mill) The gov. cut that in half That will be a total 7.6 mill)
2:00:04 ~ 12/11/2009 10:29:22 AM ~ Nicholas Is this a non-reversion I
2:00:20 ~ 12/11/2009 10:29:39 AM ~ Rich We only use this account when we have funding problems with projects.
2:00:53 ~ 12/11/2009 10:30:11 AM ~ Steward Would it be the same as the other, not refilled
2:01:19 ~ 12/11/2009 10:30:37 AM ~ Rich Yes, Remodel front of the capitol Steps are in poor condition. State Bldg. Comm. ask we bring this up. Fund out of state build. contigency fund.
2:03:03 ~ 12/11/2009 10:32:21 AM ~ Nicholas 2 issues bad sandstone Is it going to be more expensive in the future.
2:03:45 ~ 12/11/2009 10:33:04 AM ~ Rich The idea came up within capital const. He can be outdoors according to the artists. Chief can do well outside.
2:05:18 ~ 12/11/2009 10:34:36 AM ~ Nicholas Pull them out security gates Gov. say deny.
2:05:59 ~ 12/11/2009 10:35:18 AM ~ Meier Looks at the outside of state buildings
2:06:35 ~ 12/11/2009 10:35:53 AM ~ Rich 1.5% total maintenance request. For UW and communtiy colleges The gov has denied all but 24.6 Mill Replacing 35Mill out of Stimulas Funds that fit the bill. 2 Mill earmarked with ADA compliance Authorize 2Mill out of that pot would be workable
2:09:25 ~ 12/11/2009 10:38:44 AM ~ Mike They submitted the application a week ago
2:09:44 ~ 12/11/2009 10:39:03 AM ~ Massie The 35 mill. was orginally designat for k-12.
2:10:17 ~ 12/11/2009 10:39:36 AM ~ Nicholas Other opinions
2:10:28 ~ 12/11/2009 10:39:47 AM ~ Rich I can come back
2:11:15 ~ 12/11/2009 10:40:34 AM ~ Pederson Retirement system some kind of A&I had only one cubical. Gov said the A&I hadn't been included in this discussion
2:12:26 ~ 12/11/2009 10:41:45 AM ~ Rich they did talk to us but didn't follow up
2:12:40 ~ 12/11/2009 10:41:59 AM ~ Nancy We did meet with them. At this point in time their are other factors. I is my opinion that we are in a holding opinion.
2:13:45 ~ 12/11/2009 10:43:04 AM ~ Nicholas Then thought that more space was coming up.
2:14:07 ~ 12/11/2009 10:43:26 AM ~ Rich Potential the labs are compication in late 2010 . The entire 5th floor will be available There is another building that could be coming available. There are opportunites that are coming up
2:15:43 ~ 12/11/2009 10:45:01 AM ~ Nicholas We will discuss this in closed door session
2:16:09 ~ 12/11/2009 10:45:28 AM ~ Mike, Yes we are finished
2:16:22 ~ 12/11/2009 10:45:41 AM ~ Nicholas Instead of going through them. Take them home and look at them during the Christmas break
2:17:08 ~ 12/11/2009 10:46:27 AM ~ Mike There are two boards classification
2:17:46 ~ 12/11/2009 10:47:05 AM ~ Nicholas Workforce Servies 026
2:18:32 ~ 12/11/2009 10:47:51 AM ~ Joan Page 9 Admin has recommended the standard budget Page 13 Gov. has recommended approval.
2:19:18 ~ 12/11/2009 10:48:37 AM ~ Nicholas Is this the new program.
2:19:31 ~ 12/11/2009 10:48:49 AM ~ Joan This was approved last bianneum
2:19:58 ~ 12/11/2009 10:49:17 AM ~ Nicholas Can you provide us with who is using these grants.
2:20:23 ~ 12/11/2009 10:49:42 AM ~ Joan Yes.
2:20:50 ~ 12/11/2009 10:50:09 AM ~ Nicholas A report of your 900 series
2:31:05 ~ 12/11/2009 11:00:24 AM ~ Diana State Public Defender Two of our exception requests 1st public defender program Page 12 Date Computer Requests Second 300,000 Gov. approve Last Biannium 300,000 approved What is not used is given back and the a new 300,000 is given Convert 2 positions
2:35:01 ~ 12/11/2009 11:04:20 AM ~ Meier Getting rid of two contract and make them state employees
2:35:23 ~ 12/11/2009 11:04:42 AM ~ Hammond Are those consistant across the state.
2:35:55 ~ 12/11/2009 11:05:14 AM ~ Diane Yes, the same across the state
2:36:09 ~ 12/11/2009 11:05:28 AM ~ Hommand A real delema with our county attorneys being paid on both sides.
2:37:23 ~ 12/11/2009 11:06:42 AM ~ Diana what we would like to do is take some of our 900 money and convert that to salary monies. What we have learned is that we need more support Convert AWEC position into permanent. They are busy with supreme court bills and then loaded them with 100+ cases. There is sometimes a conflict of interest Our oversite is not a nice and tight as is needs to be. We need a full time attorney in Campbell County another in Laramie County, Albany county is a close second
2:41:48 ~ 12/11/2009 11:11:06 AM ~ Nicholas. MOre efficiency I have always been concerned with contract attorneys.
2:42:48 ~ 12/11/2009 11:12:07 AM ~ Meier Why these locations??
2:43:13 ~ 12/11/2009 11:12:32 AM ~ Diane The main reason for Gillette that is a busy county and space will be provided. Laramie county attorneys can travel also
2:44:32 ~ 12/11/2009 11:13:51 AM ~ Steward Talking about stregths and weaknesses Concern about smaller population counties
2:45:31 ~ 12/11/2009 11:14:50 AM ~ Diane The program is working well. Overall the quality has increased. Smaller counties Higher cases are with the larger population counties. There will always be contract attorneys because there are not wanting to work for the state full time
2:47:24 ~ 12/11/2009 11:16:43 AM ~ Diane Reqjuest
2:48:40 ~ 12/11/2009 11:17:59 AM ~ Nicholas Okay, thank you for your presentaion
2:49:05 ~ 12/11/2009 11:18:24 AM ~
2:51:44 ~ 12/11/2009 11:21:02 AM ~ Pause
2:51:44 ~ 12/11/2009 11:21:46 AM ~ Resume
2:51:49 ~ 12/11/2009 11:21:52 AM ~ Bill Overall schedule A lot has changed in January Tuesday had changed completly I was wondering if we could bring in the locals on Tuesday. It make sense to move them to Wednesday. This started as 2008 Budget Part II but is not working out that way Courts be will to move that to Jan. 7th That should free up 14 on 15 of Jan. Plan to come back on the 25th for mark up. M
2:56:15 ~ 12/11/2009 11:26:18 AM ~ Nicholas If we get done earlier we will leave early We had an analyst watch the Health Dept. Yes, we do have someone looking at this
2:57:23 ~ 12/11/2009 11:27:26 AM ~ Nicholas Might be worthwhile we have some of that old history.. Don RIchards old history Make sure we have good numbers on that. Get your concerns to Dawn. THe Health budget is one I recommend that you take home at Christmas We h
2:59:26 ~ 12/11/2009 11:29:28 AM ~ Bill Dawn has also be in charge of riding herd on our budget contractors also
2:59:59 ~ 12/11/2009 11:30:01 AM ~ Nicholas Health Education and Dept. of Education.
3:00:21 ~ 12/11/2009 11:30:23 AM ~ Hammonds WHich agencies are coming in with 900 serries
3:00:41 ~ 12/11/2009 11:30:44 AM ~ Nicholas Would you like Education and Health before they come in. Health and Education
3:01:38 ~ 12/11/2009 11:31:40 AM ~ Richard Education can have therirs up here next week. Health can probaly do that also. THe instuctions we sent them we told them if more than 10 pages summerize to 10 pages.
3:02:53 ~ 12/11/2009 11:32:55 AM ~ Hammond. Div. of Health what is meaniful
3:03:15 ~ 12/11/2009 11:33:17 AM ~ Richard Breadk down into major categories.
3:04:02 ~ 12/11/2009 11:34:04 AM ~ Berger Update on automation
3:04:12 ~ 12/11/2009 11:34:15 AM ~ Dawn We have a deliviery date of our "cheat sheet" was Dec. 1st. and was delivered. They have our budget bill ready to go. They have been wonderful to work with.
3:06:02 ~ 12/11/2009 11:36:04 AM ~ Bill Sales and use tax We would like to hold on to that . THe other piece of how to distrute how much money.
3:07:33 ~ 12/11/2009 11:37:36 AM ~ Nicholas You provided the one model, where is just Look at the direct dollars and figure out how the three silos
3:08:56 ~ 12/11/2009 11:38:58 AM ~ Dan What I gave you was ........... The default where each city gets !0,000 each.
3:09:56 ~ 12/11/2009 11:39:59 AM ~ Nicholas That is just one model that comes through
3:10:12 ~ 12/11/2009 11:40:15 AM ~ Bill What Dean is referring to What the house carved out is what they call the food tax provision
3:11:11 ~ 12/11/2009 11:41:13 AM ~ Nicholas I would like to advocate for that
3:11:25 ~ 12/11/2009 11:41:27 AM ~ Meirer City tax but not county tax
3:11:48 ~ 12/11/2009 11:41:51 AM ~ Bill
3:11:57 ~ 12/11/2009 11:41:59 AM ~ Nicholas That was hottly discussed. THe
3:12:25 ~ 12/11/2009 11:42:28 AM ~ Bill Who do you want to divy up Do you want to just take the 50 Mill
3:12:55 ~ 12/11/2009 11:42:57 AM ~ Nicholas I have forgetten what we are ging to do for emergecy large
3:19:10 ~ 12/11/2009 11:49:13 AM ~ Dean: Iwould like to talk about....
3:20:12 ~ 12/11/2009 11:50:15 AM ~ Jorgensen: Please put the formulas on there...
3:20:32 ~ 12/11/2009 11:50:35 AM ~ Nicholas: If we could sunset those dollars...that is a markup process..know where you are dumping it...
3:21:02 ~ 12/11/2009 11:51:05 AM ~ Harshman: Make sure that what you gave us the other day what was the formula..
3:21:29 ~ 12/11/2009 11:51:31 AM ~ Dean: I gave you the default ....for cities and towns...they all got..based on population...the lowest part for ...populatin was adjusted...
3:22:15 ~ 12/11/2009 11:52:17 AM ~ Nicholas: That was discussed in the interim...they believed since they had a hardship there...local concensus was that we agreed to that...subject to..
3:22:58 ~ 12/11/2009 11:53:01 AM ~ Steward: Two things that would help me...prepare numbers that would estabish a baseline..what governments are...in addition to what we are dividing up...just so I would know what that number is going to be in the next biennium...
3:24:04 ~ 12/11/2009 11:54:06 AM ~ Bill:
3:24:13 ~ 12/11/2009 11:54:16 AM ~ Nicholas: You want to see the formula or do you just want the forecast...
3:24:31 ~ 12/11/2009 11:54:34 AM ~ Steward: The forecast would be good enough...
3:24:50 ~ 12/11/2009 11:54:52 AM ~ Nicholas: Maintained by the locals..
3:24:59 ~ 12/11/2009 11:55:02 AM ~ Dean: I can get with Dan Noble to see if we can come up with ..they have been an actual swag and it continues to be that...the vendors can not keep track of what they ...
3:25:53 ~ 12/11/2009 11:55:56 AM ~ Nicholas: Just give it a swag...how much they lost..we know that in the two or years prior..the gap...using those services change the equation because they used prepared food instead of greocery foods...if you want the swag you can get it...
3:26:52 ~ 12/11/2009 11:56:55 AM ~ Steward: I am happy with the swag I guess...people ar still going to be made whole because of the food tax. If I could just say that they are getting that back and more. I just need to make a better case when i go home.
3:27:52 ~ 12/11/2009 11:57:54 AM ~ Nicholas: Let's go by the last data that you provided... Everything that we request requires staff time...Pull out what we got and if you want it updated, we can do that.. We all have that issue...when that issue came up the locals lobbied against it...they watched it go through...the citizens wanted to do that...there was a change...no resources...having saidthat we have made an accomodation to them...allocating based on sales tax replacement....every county changes...one year people are...next year they are gone...it moves around...that is why we have gone to the other allocation and that is why the interim committee......but the issue becomes..what amount of staff time is required to satisfy what we have to say...Curt wanted to go out and do formulas...if all that happens is that we take Dean's time and then we shoot it down...I am not trying to marhall what you are asking for.
3:31:35 ~ 12/11/2009 12:01:37 PM ~ Steward: That does make sense...I did not understand the complexity of this task...just recapture some of th numbers and modernize them.
3:32:06 ~ 12/11/2009 12:02:08 PM ~ Bill: Dean's point in this is first of all we haven't kept track of individual us tax....overall where you are in the state......because all this stuff came up in November...to head off this ...the initial number was a swag...anything you build now is still built on that swag...as the co chair stated..the data just does not exist...this is where we were going earlier...essentially, the tone is the same in Cheyenne as it is in Casper...except that Casper is using...Cheyenne is only a reduction of 3 or 4 percent and casper's is 35%
3:36:06 ~ 12/11/2009 12:06:08 PM ~ Nicholas: We will see the data per capita...Campbell county has the largest decline although they are the largest collector of tax. Two components...how much we put in and the other is the allocation...determine the amount of money...take the 1%...if you want to use the replacement..the data is such a swag that is not based upon anything...here again it is..the imterim committee..we are not goin to improve what came out of the last session...they came up with the differences...what is the point in it..you are not going to improve upon it...we do have a perogative to intervene to allocate staff time...when members coordinate the requests..so that they are spending...will it satisfy you if we give you...
3:38:57 ~ 12/11/2009 12:09:00 PM ~ Steward:Yes Mr. Chairman that would help in what i am trying to dio...would it be difficult to get those.
3:39:23 ~ 12/11/2009 12:09:26 PM ~ Nicholas: Waht we can get from them is..
3:39:36 ~ 12/11/2009 12:09:39 PM ~ Bill: The staff usually puts together...data is not flawless and it does go down to the community level..
3:40:12 ~ 12/11/2009 12:10:14 PM ~ Meier: To talk to the constituents...it is the best way to save..we are going to get the funds back...not taken out of the local government coffers...for them to say that we are taking their money and they will never see it again is not correct... pretty darn safe...
3:41:28 ~ 12/11/2009 12:11:30 PM ~ Hammons: Do you have the hardship model..I know that there was...the sales and use tax...per population base..how much you dropped in preceding years...is that..
3:42:07 ~ 12/11/2009 12:12:10 PM ~ Dean: As far as the hardship distributions..those cities and counties..receive an adjustment to their population and that is how the hardship dollars were distributed...based on what the cities and towns..of the total population...an offshoot of the ...as far as the counties...we tried to do it on assessed value...if the county need was greater..then that would be identified how much the county was short...percentage of the total...
3:43:53 ~ 12/11/2009 12:13:55 PM ~ Peterseon: Talking to my county..they were trying to get the same figure...this was our standard operating budget and this is what they lost...if not for this session but ...how low can we go before we have to start tapping in to cap con..that wasd never a problem...this was sharing a surplus we are affecting the standard operating budgets...I know that it is...somewhere we have to determine how low we can go...I would like to know..what we can afford this session...theree is an amount of money that was in the standrd budget...
3:46:01 ~ 12/11/2009 12:16:04 PM ~ Nicholas: The new numbers...the revenues..escrapalate the reductions..and your county revenues are now down...we will have the data but we ar not proposing...basis for argument...difficult for all of us in that we all have the same issue..when we start talking about retirement are we going to replace those dollars...mentally you have to do that..
3:47:33 ~ 12/11/2009 12:17:36 PM ~ Jorgenson: Everything in the past...ask for more local tax..the more we...to justify..
3:48:05 ~ 12/11/2009 12:18:08 PM ~ Harshman: It seems to me that it goes back to Curt's comments...Sales tax went up in every county when we removed it...that is part of it..we have to realize that...it is the people's money and go back to the...
3:49:13 ~ 12/11/2009 12:19:15 PM ~ Bill: Question...the percentage...do you want to put a floor on the amount?
3:49:35 ~ 12/11/2009 12:19:38 PM ~ Nicholas: We can stay with no floor.
3:49:56 ~ 12/11/2009 12:19:59 PM ~ Dean: Typically it has...
3:50:15 ~ 12/11/2009 12:20:18 PM ~ Townsend: On your spreadsheet...are your in the spreadsheets...
3:50:35 ~ 12/11/2009 12:20:37 PM ~ Dean: Yes they are...
3:50:51 ~ 12/11/2009 12:20:53 PM ~ Townsend: If you will email me the numbers I will do the numbers...
3:51:12 ~ 12/11/2009 12:21:14 PM ~ Hammons: I know that when we had the committee we had a historical amount...if we are going to have less contribution do we want to change...
3:51:41 ~ 12/11/2009 12:21:43 PM ~ Nichiolas:: Any more
3:51:55 ~ 12/11/2009 12:21:58 PM ~ Curty: Do we have the golden rod..
3:52:03 ~ 12/11/2009 12:22:06 PM ~ Bill: We will when you come back in January. What you want to see as a long term profile...it would help you make your decision,...we do the same thing...
3:52:44 ~ 12/11/2009 12:22:46 PM ~ Nicholas: continue or discontinue the diversion...my view on the one hand is...flip side is it makes spending easier...my thought is..
3:53:23 ~ 12/11/2009 12:23:26 PM ~ Bill: The 33 million that is to the SLIB...we are so obsessively watching gas prices..you are probably going to see some numbers that would make you think we should rais the CREG...the numbers did take a big increase...bumped up pretty good...oddly enough they are back down to 4.21...down 80 cnets today...when you are tlaking about gas in storage...
3:55:07 ~ 12/11/2009 12:25:09 PM ~ Bill: the last thing I have to discuss ifor the CREG revisions---January 5th date whiich would put the report out the following Monda. We will rework the hearing schedule.. Ithought..individulaized ...
3:56:50 ~ 12/11/2009 12:26:52 PM ~ Stop Recording