File name: JAC Budget Hearings FY 13-14_20120113_083346.dcr Folder: C:\Documents and Settings\HAppropriations\Desktop\Recordings 28 ~ 1/13/2012 8:34:18 AM ~ Nicholas: Schedule of Today Will do GREGG update at 1:30. 1:18 ~ 1/13/2012 8:35:09 AM ~ Mai more time 1:45 ~ 1/13/2012 8:35:36 AM ~ Nicholas: 3:00 for the CREGG update 2:05 ~ 1/13/2012 8:35:55 AM ~ Berger: Department of Eduction, AGency 005 Superintendent Hill 2:26 ~ 1/13/2012 8:36:16 AM ~ Hill: Fred Hansen, Introductions of Team Members, 3:36 ~ 1/13/2012 8:37:26 AM ~ Hansen: Handout 139 Packet: Biennial recap, AGency 005 and 205 so show both budgets on one page. Ttoal 1.9 billion after Governor's recommendation 4:30 ~ 1/13/2012 8:38:20 AM ~ Wallis: Do we have it electronically? 4:47 ~ 1/13/2012 8:38:37 AM ~ Berger: Send it to Mr. Mai electronically. 5:06 ~ 1/13/2012 8:38:57 AM ~ Hansen: Agency 5 total agency exception request is negative 19 million. Agnecy 205 net excdeption request of negative OCIO, 400 series, additional funding for distrcits based on current profile. Pg 2 of handout: 7:00 ~ 1/13/2012 8:40:51 AM ~ Meier: Big difference in summer school, add 13.5 to 20 . 7:35 ~ 1/13/2012 8:41:25 AM ~ Hansen: Increase in teachers salary, built in automatically 7:51 ~ 1/13/2012 8:41:41 AM ~ Hansen: Pg 3 of Handout 139 is flow through analysis, break out, federal funds, college and aptitutde test, student assessment, infrastructure, net operating number of 46 million or 2.46% of the total budget. Jac concern of growth in govt and response to requests for number of employees. 9:08 ~ 1/13/2012 8:42:59 AM ~ Hansen: pg 4 of Handout, Historical Pass Through Analysis. 2005 -06 39 million to 43 to 47 to 49 to 46, 695,770 for this biennium Cause of decrease : 100 series up, 200 series down due to one time expenditure items from last year, 900 series is down. Contract series for most part is driving the decrease 11:18 ~ 1/13/2012 8:45:08 AM ~ Harshman: Pg 4 of Handout: 2013-14: 18 million for student assessment, college and job aptitude tests, breakdown. 11:59 ~ 1/13/2012 8:45:49 AM ~ Hansen: Districts pay for map testing. 18 million is total Paws testing, test juniors 12:36 ~ 1/13/2012 8:46:26 AM ~ Harshman 12:39 ~ 1/13/2012 8:46:29 AM ~ Hansen : Budget Pg 19 Will go through budget exception requests. Montgomery Fund for the Blind, interest has gone to pay grants, Corpus has increased so want increased budget authority to spend more on grants. 14:14 ~ 1/13/2012 8:48:04 AM ~ Harshman: Trust. Summer Blind Camp has been a standard budget item, now running exceptions for it? 14:55 ~ 1/13/2012 8:48:45 AM ~ Hansen: No, funding for summer camp goes through this budget, 15:15 ~ 1/13/2012 8:49:05 AM ~ Harshman: No need for budget amendment? 15:25 ~ 1/13/2012 8:49:15 AM ~ Hansen: Correct 15:31 ~ 1/13/2012 8:49:22 AM ~ Berger: Amount? 15:38 ~ 1/13/2012 8:49:28 AM ~ Hansen 468, 495; will be increased over last budget because of the donations. 15:57 ~ 1/13/2012 8:49:47 AM ~ Berger: Change the revenue source. 16:07 ~ 1/13/2012 8:49:58 AM ~ Berger: From 4601 to ... 16:27 ~ 1/13/2012 8:50:17 AM ~ Hansen: will make correction. Pg 30 6102 Finance: Gov's rec moving 322,000 to OCIO budget, no impact to state. smaller changes for practically every budget. 17:28 ~ 1/13/2012 8:51:18 AM ~ Berger: How has process been with OCIO? 17:38 ~ 1/13/2012 8:51:28 AM ~ Hansen: Have not discussed with budget analyst. 17:58 ~ 1/13/2012 8:51:48 AM ~ Drew Dilley: Working with OCIO, value to be had there, leverage their cost buying is good for us and state; struggle about how resources are allocated, mixed review. 18:53 ~ 1/13/2012 8:52:43 AM ~ Berger: flip thourgh 19:12 ~ 1/13/2012 8:53:03 AM ~ Hansen: Budget by budget: pg 10 Council for innovative Education. 5 million in corpus, est. revenue at 300,000 per year, grants given to districts. 19:49 ~ 1/13/2012 8:53:39 AM ~ Hansen: 1601 pg 12,13: Douvas Scholarship, given in 1984 for 500 per year scholarhsip for first generation american 20:23 ~ 1/13/2012 8:54:13 AM ~ Hansen: Workshops and Conferences, pg 15, div 1800 Collect for conferences and spend 20:45 ~ 1/13/2012 8:54:35 AM ~ Hansen: 1901 covered, move to 6101, State Board of Eduction, 12 members and meetings, dues, no exception request 21:15 ~ 1/13/2012 8:55:05 AM ~ Hansen: pg 26, Superintendent Budget, no Exception request, moving to OCIO budget 21:36 ~ 1/13/2012 8:55:26 AM ~ Hansen: 6103 Finance Division Budget: Gov recommendation; transfer to OCIO 21:58 ~ 1/13/2012 8:55:48 AM ~ Hansen: Reading Assessment, no exc. req. Pg 37 System Administration budget in support of operating assessment 22:37 ~ 1/13/2012 8:56:28 AM ~ Nicholas: PAWS administration in this budget? 22:53 ~ 1/13/2012 8:56:43 AM ~ Hansen: Some of salary for folks administrering is in this budget, 23:08 ~ 1/13/2012 8:56:58 AM ~ Nicholas: Change in program? 23:29 ~ 1/13/2012 8:57:19 AM ~ Hill: Negotiation price with ... 23:44 ~ 1/13/2012 8:57:34 AM ~ Nicholas: Comfortable with giving us details 23:53 ~ 1/13/2012 8:57:43 AM ~ Hill: 2000 pages contract, final March 1 24:07 ~ 1/13/2012 8:57:58 AM ~ Nicholas: Based on last year 24:14 ~ 1/13/2012 8:58:05 AM ~ Nicholas: cost? 24:19 ~ 1/13/2012 8:58:09 AM ~ Hill: significantly lower, can not disclose the price 24:35 ~ 1/13/2012 8:58:25 AM ~ Nicholas: public information 24:41 ~ 1/13/2012 8:58:31 AM ~ John Masters, council: Negotiations are ongoing for a few minor changes required, writing assessment, 25:09 ~ 1/13/2012 8:58:59 AM ~ Nicholas: Public bidding, make award, disclosure to all competitors so they know if they can protest, 25:28 ~ 1/13/2012 8:59:18 AM ~ Masters: Award is not final until contract is signed, being advised by A&I 25:44 ~ 1/13/2012 8:59:34 AM ~ Nicholas:: Mechanics of building budget, on last years contract, knowing there was a reduction, 26:06 ~ 1/13/2012 8:59:57 AM ~ Masters: Used prior year amount, will decline, will report at appropriate time 26:22 ~ 1/13/2012 9:00:12 AM ~ Nichoals: Will you define areas impacted as you go through? two year budget, need to know how to address, would not leave money in, will say up to this amount, Tell us amount that will be affected. 26:57 ~ 1/13/2012 9:00:47 AM ~ Hansen: Certainly 27:01 ~ 1/13/2012 9:00:52 AM ~ Nicholas: 6505 unit any impact of negotions on personnel or budget? 27:17 ~ 1/13/2012 9:01:08 AM ~ Hansen: No, will not affect this budget 27:30 ~ 1/13/2012 9:01:20 AM ~ Nicholas: Fixed costs that won't be affected? 27:40 ~ 1/13/2012 9:01:30 AM ~ Hansen: coreect 27:45 ~ 1/13/2012 9:01:35 AM ~ Nicholas: Employees moved around 27:50 ~ 1/13/2012 9:01:41 AM ~ hansen: yes 27:54 ~ 1/13/2012 9:01:44 AM ~ Nicholas: Overstatment of funds as a result of position changes, staff analysis 28:10 ~ 1/13/2012 9:02:00 AM ~ Hansen: Heard about it yesterday afternoon, have not reviewed it, will meet with LSO and review numbers, 28:33 ~ 1/13/2012 9:02:23 AM ~ Nicholas: 28:39 ~ 1/13/2012 9:02:30 AM ~ Dawn: Budget analyst gave Fred a copy. 28:53 ~ 1/13/2012 9:02:44 AM ~ Nicholas: How many places in budget have to be flagged? 29:03 ~ 1/13/2012 9:02:54 AM ~ Nichoals: Talk now or analyst give solution 29:13 ~ 1/13/2012 9:03:04 AM ~ Dawn: Better addressed in mark up 29:22 ~ 1/13/2012 9:03:12 AM ~ Nicholas: Will yo ugive a report or a heads up on this budget. 29:33 ~ 1/13/2012 9:03:23 AM ~ Dawn: Will monitor and give changes 29:41 ~ 1/13/2012 9:03:32 AM ~ Nicholas: today? 29:46 ~ 1/13/2012 9:03:36 AM ~ Dawn: Your preference 29:52 ~ 1/13/2012 9:03:42 AM ~ Nicholas: Tell us if issue, hit any yet? 30:04 ~ 1/13/2012 9:03:55 AM ~ Dawn: Yes issue in 6102: Budget undefunded by 61,280 in GF. 30:34 ~ 1/13/2012 9:04:24 AM ~ Berger: pg 26 30:38 ~ 1/13/2012 9:04:28 AM ~ Nicholas: Chapter 17 reports? 30:46 ~ 1/13/2012 9:04:36 AM ~ Dawn: Analysis prepared after Chapter 17 reports, no intention, so many adjustments, 31:17 ~ 1/13/2012 9:05:07 AM ~ Nicholas: Shortage of 61000? 31:26 ~ 1/13/2012 9:05:17 AM ~ Dawn: Correct 31:31 ~ 1/13/2012 9:05:21 AM ~ Nicholas: Fred get with analysts before markup and see ify ou agree, next one? 31:45 ~ 1/13/2012 9:05:35 AM ~ Dawn: 6103 pg 32: Overfunded by 25,576 GF. ; 6105 pg 39 underfunded by 91,228. Much is housekeeping. 32:28 ~ 1/13/2012 9:06:19 AM ~ Nicholas: Give same report on each one, as we go through the budget. 32:40 ~ 1/13/2012 9:06:30 AM ~ Hansen: Pg 43 on 100 series change? 33:12 ~ 1/13/2012 9:07:02 AM ~ Dawn: Underfunded by 24,150 in school foundation funds 33:28 ~ 1/13/2012 9:07:18 AM ~ Hansen: School improvement: pg 46 changes? 33:55 ~ 1/13/2012 9:07:45 AM ~ Dawn: No 34:00 ~ 1/13/2012 9:07:50 AM ~ Hansen: State special education ion page 48, no exception request pg 51 Health & Safety , no exc. request 34:32 ~ 1/13/2012 9:08:23 AM ~ Dawn 13,885 dollar underfunding; have worksheet with changes highlighted in 6116 on page 54 35:14 ~ 1/13/2012 9:09:04 AM ~ Berger: 35:17 ~ 1/13/2012 9:09:07 AM ~ Hansen: pg 56 Juvenile Detention, 100 series 35:31 ~ 1/13/2012 9:09:21 AM ~ Nicholas: Court Ordered placement? 35:39 ~ 1/13/2012 9:09:29 AM ~ Hansen: Number of kids are constatn, number of days are decreasing, 35:51 ~ 1/13/2012 9:09:42 AM ~ Nicholas: What are you doing, group gets together with health, yourself periodically? 36:10 ~ 1/13/2012 9:10:00 AM ~ Hansen: 3 use the same contractors to determine rates for medicaid, room and board and tuition. 36:27 ~ 1/13/2012 9:10:17 AM ~ Nicholas: Total dolalrs? Consolidated record or report, trend? 36:40 ~ 1/13/2012 9:10:30 AM ~ Hansen: Dof F reparied a report like that for the Governor. Education dollars are decreasing because the number of days are decreasing. 37:09 ~ 1/13/2012 9:10:59 AM ~ Nicholas: A&I, can get report ? 37:24 ~ 1/13/2012 9:11:15 AM ~ Berger: Name of report, adjustment 37:40 ~ 1/13/2012 9:11:30 AM ~ Dawn: pg 58, unit 6117, underfunded 2644 in GF 38:03 ~ 1/13/2012 9:11:53 AM ~ Hansen: Pg 59 Special Education Data and Monitoring, 100 series 38:17 ~ 1/13/2012 9:12:07 AM ~ Dawn: pg 61, underfunded 70,132 in GF. 38:31 ~ 1/13/2012 9:12:22 AM ~ Nicholas: Vacancy report by unit and how long? 38:54 ~ 1/13/2012 9:12:44 AM ~ Hansen: can prepare 38:59 ~ 1/13/2012 9:12:49 AM ~ Nicholas: Before day is out, 39:06 ~ 1/13/2012 9:12:56 AM ~ Hill: Can get it for you. 39:20 ~ 1/13/2012 9:13:10 AM ~ Nicholas: By unit? 39:26 ~ 1/13/2012 9:13:16 AM ~ Hill: Can do that . 39:32 ~ 1/13/2012 9:13:22 AM ~ Berger: move along 39:37 ~ 1/13/2012 9:13:27 AM ~ Hansen: Pg 62 Early Learning, 100 series 39:49 ~ 1/13/2012 9:13:39 AM ~ Dawn: underfunded 12,030. 40:00 ~ 1/13/2012 9:13:51 AM ~ Hansen: pg 56, ELL, 100 series no exc request, 6123 Data TEchnology. 40:43 ~ 1/13/2012 9:14:33 AM ~ Berger: Correction. 40:50 ~ 1/13/2012 9:14:40 AM ~ Nicholas: Numbers available so do not have to hit every one now. 41:02 ~ 1/13/2012 9:14:52 AM ~ Hansen: pg 73, State Career Technical Education, 6126 State Voc Ed Finance pg 76, pg 79 has Voc Ed budget. 41:40 ~ 1/13/2012 9:15:31 AM ~ Hansen 6128 on page 81 IT support services has budget exceptio request, on page 84. This is our entire agency except for small amount in so6, Computer fees, license used to be included in the standard budget, changed so last year amounts were taken out, 3 yr laptop, 5 yr desktop replacemetn. Do not automatically replace on anniversary, replace when needed. If do not spend all money in account, it reverts. 43:29 ~ 1/13/2012 9:17:19 AM ~ Von Flatern: pg 82 Contridiction? CIO and governor, Governor changed it? 43:51 ~ 1/13/2012 9:17:42 AM ~ Hansen: We agreed to transfer an employee position to them. I suggest you subtract 1 position and those associated dollars from the 100 series. Page 86 Hathway Scholarship program No exception Requests 46:36 ~ 1/13/2012 9:20:26 AM ~ Von Flatern I'm asking a question about what Dawn passed out to us. 47:09 ~ 1/13/2012 9:21:00 AM ~ Agar The left hand 47:24 ~ 1/13/2012 9:21:14 AM ~ Hansen The college aptitude test Fusion Resources No exception request 6141 Page 94 Page 97 Visually handicapped services Page Tribal Council Schools Exception Request Legislation tried to fund the tribal schools at the same schools in Fremont County. This is our calculation, the increase should be$160,950. 50:24 ~ 1/13/2012 9:24:14 AM ~ Nicholas What's different about the exception request I'm trying to reconcile the exception request with the Gov's request. . W 51:56 ~ 1/13/2012 9:25:46 AM ~ Hansen We average out the three tribal schools to a per student basis. We subtract out any federal or tribal contribution and then make up the difference. 53:10 ~ 1/13/2012 9:27:00 AM ~ Nicholas 53:22 ~ 1/13/2012 9:27:12 AM ~ Hansen 53:36 ~ 1/13/2012 9:27:27 AM ~ Nicholas The St. Stevens School We could use royalties also We will talk about that at markup. 54:44 ~ 1/13/2012 9:28:34 AM ~ Von Flatern How did this come about. 54:56 ~ 1/13/2012 9:28:47 AM ~ Nicholas Once the funds go into the school facilities account they are burdened unlike just general fund. Instead of an expenditure, it shows as a reduced income. 56:32 ~ 1/13/2012 9:30:22 AM ~ Hansen Page 104 Dest. assessment I accountablility program Pag e106 57:14 ~ 1/13/2012 9:31:04 AM ~ Nicholas Understand there is proposed regualtions that never got passed. What are we working under. Have you went 58:26 ~ 1/13/2012 9:32:17 AM ~ Masters Background check 58:45 ~ 1/13/2012 9:32:35 AM ~ Nicholas It got proposed 58:59 ~ 1/13/2012 9:32:49 AM ~ Masters 59:09 ~ 1/13/2012 9:32:59 AM ~ Nicholas When they look at a re-application the proposed rules looked onerous. 1:00:05 ~ 1/13/2012 9:33:55 AM ~ Masters That was a change on the application but not rules. 1:00:25 ~ 1/13/2012 9:34:16 AM ~ Hansen That concludes our general funds request. These federal fund budgets don't quite mesh with our fiscal year. So we just have to give it our best estimate. Net effect Page 110 English Lang Acquisition Page 114 Effective Teachers & Leaders 1:02:46 ~ 1/13/2012 9:36:36 AM ~ Berger Are you getting updates from the feds 1:03:06 ~ 1/13/2012 9:36:56 AM ~ Hansen As far as I know, these are our best guess. 1:03:35 ~ 1/13/2012 9:37:25 AM ~ Hill 1:03:43 ~ 1/13/2012 9:37:33 AM ~ Hansen The funding comes from a variety of programs 1:04:19 ~ 1/13/2012 9:38:10 AM ~ Hill Whan Gov Mead & I .... Offered 2.7 mill in professional development. Asked teachers is they wanted this, They said they did but not from the vendor indicated. We are going to roll that out next Fall. 1:06:15 ~ 1/13/2012 9:40:05 AM ~ Nicholas What kind of budget have you committed to this project. Are these federal dollars 1:06:50 ~ 1/13/2012 9:40:41 AM ~ Hansen Yes, some federal were used for this 1:07:10 ~ 1/13/2012 9:41:00 AM ~ Hansen Again, this particular budget flows directly to the schools. 1:07:58 ~ 1/13/2012 9:41:48 AM ~ Steele It does match We looked at the administrative funds. We target teachers in those areas. It is appropriate to use these funds. 1:10:06 ~ 1/13/2012 9:43:56 AM ~ Nicholas Provide us a full list. 1:10:36 ~ 1/13/2012 9:44:27 AM ~ Steele We have incumbered $580,000 so far Set aside $295,000 1:11:14 ~ 1/13/2012 9:45:05 AM ~ Nicholas That's a significant amount If you use money in say section 105 1:12:04 ~ 1/13/2012 9:45:54 AM ~ Nicholas What difference does that make. 1:12:26 ~ 1/13/2012 9:46:16 AM ~ Steele That would serve the same purpose. We wouldn't change the intent and purpose. 1:13:23 ~ 1/13/2012 9:47:13 AM ~ Nicholas If another agency 1:13:42 ~ 1/13/2012 9:47:32 AM ~ Steele We plan together to see if we can maximize all of our funds. We don't repurpose the funds. 1:14:52 ~ 1/13/2012 9:48:42 AM ~ Hill When we gathered in August, every one agreed that these were programs warranted 1:16:00 ~ 1/13/2012 9:49:51 AM ~ Nicholas If an employee was tasked to do task A and instructed him to do task B What I don't understand if you are asking staff to Are you saying we are wrong 1:17:45 ~ 1/13/2012 9:51:35 AM ~ Hill What ever adjusments we need do, we will do. 1:18:20 ~ 1/13/2012 9:52:10 AM ~ Nicholas Here is $1,000 to do a program you have to do a B11 1:18:54 ~ 1/13/2012 9:52:44 AM ~ Hansen First we would have to get permission from the feds 1:19:26 ~ 1/13/2012 9:53:16 AM ~ Nicholas Here are Federal money flows If you agree with that, if it changes purposes I'm not saying you can't do it, you just have to have a paper trail. 1:20:41 ~ 1/13/2012 9:54:31 AM ~ Steele We did not repurpose the funds. It was for math one year, reading the next 1:21:46 ~ 1/13/2012 9:55:36 AM ~ Nicholas All these monies for education students, we could just give you a block grant and you could do what you want to do. These monies were designated for a specific purpose and used for something else 1:24:39 ~ 1/13/2012 9:58:30 AM ~ Ward 1:25:29 ~ 1/13/2012 9:59:19 AM ~ Hansen Page 39 of Agency 205 1:25:58 ~ 1/13/2012 9:59:48 AM ~ Ward I think we are talking about the same thing It is the same thing as teacher assistant program. But I might use the vendor to do the training. Around the algerbra training..... we would like to grow it and I would use the ACT monies 1:27:45 ~ 1/13/2012 10:01:35 AM ~ Nicholas This is a classic example of how the process works. Let's take a break. 1:29:23 ~ 1/13/2012 10:25:34 AM ~ Nicholas: Resume the meeting. Departments position that you can do this? Find federal funds and do anyway? 1:30:08 ~ 1/13/2012 10:26:19 AM ~ Suan Ward: No, 1:30:23 ~ 1/13/2012 10:26:34 AM ~ Nicholas: If we deny the funding, it is done. Do not go out for other federal funds and repurpose them 1:30:41 ~ 1/13/2012 10:26:51 AM ~ Masters: Confusion. Change in method of how professional development was delivered. Consolidation . 1:31:19 ~ 1/13/2012 10:27:30 AM ~ Nicholas: More than that. We ask questions? What are you doing, reviewed, whose idea, etc. Level of scrutinity. Personal services contracts. Deserves public scrutinity . Sidestepping process by not showing federal funds. Testimony that federal dollars were not going into teacher to teacher. personal contracts are being paid with GF dollars. Some are coded out of GF. We watch what goes through payment system and if it matches up with the budget. You have a payment system that does not match. Vetting through process. Solution: Build a unit and fund appropraiton for the Teacher to Teacher before next Friday, which is callbacks, show where money comes from and out of what fund, explain program, Will have callback and ask questions. Reason why we should not do that? 1:34:35 ~ 1/13/2012 10:30:45 AM ~ Masters: We will do that. Structure on our side, show how the professional development components flow into this unit. 1:35:00 ~ 1/13/2012 10:31:11 AM ~ Nicholas: No. Create a new unti called Teacher to Teacher program, do attachment showing where the Revenues come from, reduce correlating budgets. 1:35:35 ~ 1/13/2012 10:31:45 AM ~ Masters; Teacher to Teacher is a temporary program. Came into existence as this budget was being formalized. Very new. 1:35:57 ~ 1/13/2012 10:32:08 AM ~ Nicholas: 500,000 dedicated towards it, initiiative, should have a budget, Can footnote things. No public request to Governor or Legislature to authorize program, needs public record & scrutinity 1:36:33 ~ 1/13/2012 10:32:44 AM ~ Masters: agree 1:36:37 ~ 1/13/2012 10:32:48 AM ~ Nicholas: Will work on the mechanics with you. Taking money out of units for which they have coded approved purposes and using for a different purpose. 1:37:04 ~ 1/13/2012 10:33:14 AM ~ Masters: Confusion. Not a different purpose. Teachers expecting continuing education, delivered via teacher to teacher, instead of conferences. 1:37:37 ~ 1/13/2012 10:33:48 AM ~ Nicholas: Budgetary point of view, work with A&I, will do a call back. Disagree that contract amount is not public, can do swag, check with attorney general if amount is public or not. If it is not public, will put swag on it. If it is public, expect it to be made public. Need to know to build our budget. Need to know what General Philips thinks. 1:39:46 ~ 1/13/2012 10:35:56 AM ~ Masters: Will do that 1:39:51 ~ 1/13/2012 10:36:02 AM ~ Nicholas:; 900 series used to build specific contract purposes, should fall out if purpose falls. If you are finding money in 900 series, why wasn't it reduced since you should not have had it. If you repurpose, need to go through process. Let's have that discussion in call back. 1:41:02 ~ 1/13/2012 10:37:13 AM ~ Ward: Want to be transparent, will work together. 1:41:16 ~ 1/13/2012 10:37:27 AM ~ Nicholas: No opinon on program, defend budgetary process and transparency through the legislative process. Principal Academy, Teacher to teacher, any other? 1:41:55 ~ 1/13/2012 10:38:05 AM ~ Ward: Those are the two. 1:42:12 ~ 1/13/2012 10:38:23 AM ~ Berger: Give white paper. BAck on track Mr. Hansen. Pg 115, unit 6308 go to 6310 1:42:56 ~ 1/13/2012 10:39:07 AM ~ Hansen: Alloted time? 1:43:12 ~ 1/13/2012 10:39:22 AM ~ Berger: No alloted time, want to do it right, comment on what was discussed 1:43:26 ~ 1/13/2012 10:39:36 AM ~ Hansen: Will comment at call back. Pg 118, Homeless Education stays intact from federal govt. Pg 121 Robert C. Byrd Scholarship goes away, feds discontinued funding, 159756 pg 123, Federal Career Technical Education budget stays intact Pg 127: WDE- largest federal fund, Even Start Family Literacy Program being reduced. 1:45:06 ~ 1/13/2012 10:41:17 AM ~ Nicholas: On federal funds and Title 1 funding, how do reductions work, call dept of ed, ask for forecast, make projectsion? 1:45:28 ~ 1/13/2012 10:41:38 AM ~ Hansen: Correct3Nich 1:45:34 ~ 1/13/2012 10:41:44 AM ~ Nicholas: Any other Title 1 Funds in jeopardy? What is forecast? 1:45:54 ~ 1/13/2012 10:42:04 AM ~ Hansen: Dr. Holbreck 1:45:59 ~ 1/13/2012 10:42:10 AM ~ Berger 1:46:03 ~ 1/13/2012 10:42:14 AM ~ Holbrook: The way we determine is federal funds looks at their budget, determines what will come to the states. 1:46:48 ~ 1/13/2012 10:42:58 AM ~ Berger: Handout 139 has reductions listed. starting with 6307, then 6308 1:47:14 ~ 1/13/2012 10:43:24 AM ~ Holbrook: Title 1 and Title 2D have different subtitles, seeing money go away in the budget 1:47:38 ~ 1/13/2012 10:43:48 AM ~ Meier: pg 130, 611000, What is breakout? 1:48:14 ~ 1/13/2012 10:44:25 AM ~ Holbrook: No funds from our state that fund it, Error with A&I in calcuation of amount 1:48:32 ~ 1/13/2012 10:44:42 AM ~ Jones: Actual revenue anticipated related to even start program was overstated. Dept actually received is the 611376 dollars . 1:49:05 ~ 1/13/2012 10:45:15 AM ~ Nicholas: Pull down authority, 1:49:34 ~ 1/13/2012 10:45:45 AM ~ Holbrook: Only received 305000 per year over the last two years 1:49:48 ~ 1/13/2012 10:45:59 AM ~ Nicholas: Authorized levels of appropriation are dependent on federal dollars, sometimes do not pull all the money done. Spreadsheet, document 139. Reductions listed. Do you know how much of those funds will be physical reductions versus reflections that money went away in the last biennium? How many dollars funneled through system and used in last biennium. 1:51:15 ~ 1/13/2012 10:47:26 AM ~ Hansen: can do analysis 1:51:27 ~ 1/13/2012 10:47:37 AM ~ Nicholas: ? 1:51:31 ~ 1/13/2012 10:47:41 AM ~ Hansen: Gradual reduction 1:51:37 ~ 1/13/2012 10:47:48 AM ~ Nicholas: What is the reduction lost used by district? ball park? 1:51:53 ~ 1/13/2012 10:48:04 AM ~ Hansen: Will bring in call back 1:52:01 ~ 1/13/2012 10:48:12 AM ~ Nicholas: concern, show 19 million as real reductions with significant. Expect education to say last biennium x amount of dollars was used for these porpuses, those monies are going away. Want report on imapct on the districts? Actual reduction of federal dollars impacts services. Impact on district? 1:53:16 ~ 1/13/2012 10:49:26 AM ~ Hansen: Dollard do not hve. Have looked at programs. 1:53:31 ~ 1/13/2012 10:49:42 AM ~ Nicholas: Title 1 programs will lose staff. Want to know fiscal impact of lost revenues. No one making recommendation if appropriate expenidtures or not. 1:54:11 ~ 1/13/2012 10:50:21 AM ~ Hansen: Not an immediate drop of 20 million 1:54:23 ~ 1/13/2012 10:50:33 AM ~ Berger: Federal level reductino of 10% by end of 2012, with a possiblility of 30%. How are you addressing it. 1:54:46 ~ 1/13/2012 10:50:57 AM ~ Nicholas: Purpose.. 1:54:56 ~ 1/13/2012 10:51:06 AM ~ Hansen: Title 1 perspective of impact. 1:55:06 ~ 1/13/2012 10:51:17 AM ~ Nicholas: Expectation you will talk to federal delegation, who will watch programs and now. When Chairman Berger comes back saying will lose 5 or 10%, hope you are ahad of us on that. Forecast revenues, We ask questions on impact, planning, please do that, quarterly call in to delegation. Want staff to staff. People at top talk in generics, would like to know that. Do you have that information at that level? 1:57:19 ~ 1/13/2012 10:53:29 AM ~ Holbrook: Title 1 funding based on formula using census data for poverty. US Dept of Ed reviews it every year and give us that information. 1:58:08 ~ 1/13/2012 10:54:19 AM ~ Berger 1:58:11 ~ 1/13/2012 10:54:22 AM ~ Nicholas: Waht is the forecast for Title 1 funding over next 5 or 6 years. 1:58:25 ~ 1/13/2012 10:54:36 AM ~ Holbrook: Difficult to forecast. Wyoming as a small population tends to be minimally funded. Federal rules do not allow below a certain amount of funding. Title 3 minimum is 500,00. 1:59:01 ~ 1/13/2012 10:55:12 AM ~ Nicholas: We get the floor? 1:59:08 ~ 1/13/2012 10:55:18 AM ~ Holbrac: Reductions in title 1 have not had significant impact. 1:59:26 ~ 1/13/2012 10:55:36 AM ~ Berger: Meier. 1:59:34 ~ 1/13/2012 10:55:45 AM ~ Meier: Do not have any other place where this shows up, will show up in community colleges budget. 1:59:54 ~ 1/13/2012 10:56:05 AM ~ Holbrook: Yes, ...funding from federal govt that flows through to community colleges has been zeroed out. 2:00:20 ~ 1/13/2012 10:56:30 AM ~ Meier: Community colleges 2:00:31 ~ 1/13/2012 10:56:41 AM ~ Jones: Answer.. 2:00:35 ~ 1/13/2012 10:56:46 AM ~ Berger: 10 year funding on that program 2:00:46 ~ 1/13/2012 10:56:56 AM ~ Jones: yes, will provide that information. 2:00:54 ~ 1/13/2012 10:57:04 AM ~ Berger 2:00:57 ~ 1/13/2012 10:57:08 AM ~ Nicholas: Hitting the floor, not expecting a drop off. I am hearing different things from our districts. It may be a geographic issue, inconsistent with what I am hearing from you. Dollars are funding paraprofessionals and teachers to help struggling students. We hve been told by DOE not significant change.. 2:02:25 ~ 1/13/2012 10:58:36 AM ~ Holbrook: I can come back with exact numbers with Title 1 allocations. 2:02:53 ~ 1/13/2012 10:59:03 AM ~ Berger: Should not be an eliminated position? 2:03:06 ~ 1/13/2012 10:59:16 AM ~ Holbrook: How the US dept of ed receives that data not sure. Do not think it is an individual count. It is connected with US census, estimate of poverty levels within each district. 2:03:40 ~ 1/13/2012 10:59:51 AM ~ Berger: What they think and what they think can be different and there is gap 2:03:58 ~ 1/13/2012 11:00:08 AM ~ Nicholas: What did we receive, what did they receive and what is the impact? Teacher to Teacher, drawdown, Mr. Hansen point not losing, What were we receiving and what were the forecasts. What were the actual losses? No way from this to assess impact of these reductions in appropriations are likely to have. 2:05:15 ~ 1/13/2012 11:01:25 AM ~ Holbrook: Can prepare report for toal from US Dept of Ed and for district amounts received 2:05:35 ~ 1/13/2012 11:01:46 AM ~ Nicholas: 2:05:38 ~ 1/13/2012 11:01:48 AM ~ Holbrook: From past, forecasting from US dept of Ed 2:05:49 ~ 1/13/2012 11:01:59 AM ~ Berger 2:05:51 ~ 1/13/2012 11:02:02 AM ~ Holbrook 2:05:55 ~ 1/13/2012 11:02:06 AM ~ Edmonds: title 1 funding, Are we contemplating that we will supplement state for federal dollars? 2:06:16 ~ 1/13/2012 11:02:27 AM ~ Nicholas: Not supposing anything. Is funding being reduced and how many features? Always a constituency for supplementing. I am not proposing anything. Educated discussion. Numbers. Need discussion. 2:07:20 ~ 1/13/2012 11:03:31 AM ~ Berger: 2:07:23 ~ 1/13/2012 11:03:34 AM ~ Hansen: 6320 Federal Special Education on page 133. Guess funding remains constant 6321 is Wyoming State Improvement Grant, no exc. req. 2:08:15 ~ 1/13/2012 11:04:26 AM ~ Pg 140 has comprehensive school health. {g 144. USDA 6325, USDA Foods Distribution Program 2:09:01 ~ 1/13/2012 11:05:12 AM ~ Nicholas: Other dollars for ...stopped. Other programs available that have fallen out. 2:09:25 ~ 1/13/2012 11:05:36 AM ~ Director: Information is new news. Have not heard anything about changes in USDA programs. We have 8 programs funded. 2:09:55 ~ 1/13/2012 11:06:06 AM ~ Hansen: Number 6325, 2.5 million budget forecast constant. DEaf blind Grant on page 1512 no changes 6337, No Child left behind Title 11D 2:10:44 ~ 1/13/2012 11:06:54 AM ~ Berger: Chapter 17 process, federal fund changes affected position changes. 2:10:58 ~ 1/13/2012 11:07:08 AM ~ Hansen: Just notified of that. My understanding that A&I let us move positions from federally funded to another federally funded. I moved the positions. I thought it was permissible under rules 2:11:37 ~ 1/13/2012 11:07:48 AM ~ Dawn: It is not. When the position was approved, it was contingent upon federal funding for it. When funding expires, positon expires. Agency should submit for moving. 2:12:27 ~ 1/13/2012 11:08:37 AM ~ Nicholas: Paper Trail, Chapter 17 analysis expect paperwork. Agencies are not allowed to mvoe positions. Exception Budget Request. 2:13:06 ~ 1/13/2012 11:09:17 AM ~ Berger 2:13:09 ~ 1/13/2012 11:09:20 AM ~ Hansen: Pg 6338, Title 11B, Math and science 2:13:36 ~ 1/13/2012 11:09:47 AM ~ Nicholas: Give us a summary of positions moved at call back, 2:14:16 ~ 1/13/2012 11:10:26 AM ~ Hansen: Title 11, part B is an adjustment to show anticipated federal funds pg 160, federal special education preschool, anticipate constant federal funding 2:15:00 ~ 1/13/2012 11:11:11 AM ~ 6343 NCES Basic participation, no change in 20000 budget NAEP, no change to 65000 budget, pg 166 Pg 168: Title 1, Part B federal program has been eliminated 2:15:54 ~ 1/13/2012 11:12:04 AM ~ Berger 2:15:56 ~ 1/13/2012 11:12:06 AM ~ Nicholas: What wer those funds used for, who will miss those? 2:16:09 ~ 1/13/2012 11:12:20 AM ~ Hansen: 6.3 million flowed through to districts 2:16:23 ~ 1/13/2012 11:12:33 AM ~ Nicholas: IN last biennium, did they receive the full amount? 2:16:41 ~ 1/13/2012 11:12:51 AM ~ Ward: Recollection, zeroed out, 2:16:59 ~ 1/13/2012 11:13:10 AM ~ Nicholas: Show us that trend, If you know of eliminated programs, let us know at callback. 2:17:21 ~ 1/13/2012 11:13:31 AM ~ Hansen: 6372 on page 171 After SChool Learing Centers estimated to remain constant 6373 State assessments & related activities pg 176 Total budget of 7.3 million. Some will be used for new assessment. Other items in line 901 are used for contracts to assist with statewide assessment. 2:18:36 ~ 1/13/2012 11:14:47 AM ~ Nicholas: 901 series breakdown. 2:18:52 ~ 1/13/2012 11:15:02 AM ~ Hansen: Yes 2:18:55 ~ 1/13/2012 11:15:06 AM ~ Berger: Specific by assessment? 2:19:13 ~ 1/13/2012 11:15:24 AM ~ Hansen: Will give it. 2:19:21 ~ 1/13/2012 11:15:32 AM ~ Nicholas: Are we going to see reversions for this biennium? 2:19:37 ~ 1/13/2012 11:15:48 AM ~ Hansen: Absolutely not, federal money, want to spend it all. 2:19:51 ~ 1/13/2012 11:16:01 AM ~ Nicholas: When you bill out budget for 7.3 millino in this unit and you do not use it...example of Paws testing, save 1 million, Does that money go back to feds or can money be repurposed? 2:20:39 ~ 1/13/2012 11:16:49 AM ~ Hansen: Authorized to use it for other purposes, any purpose in grant from the feds. Looking at a new contract that is less. Who gets benefit of savings? Complicated issue. 2:21:17 ~ 1/13/2012 11:17:28 AM ~ Nicholas: is 7.3 a component of block grant from feds or is it a grant to be used for specific things. 2:21:44 ~ 1/13/2012 11:17:55 AM ~ Steele: It could be used for TAP, data review. It is not jsut the contractor for Paws. It is all that we do to implement it int the field. 2:22:33 ~ 1/13/2012 11:18:43 AM ~ Nicholas; What drives the 7.3 million? 2:22:42 ~ 1/13/2012 11:18:53 AM ~ Steele, Money calculated by the US Dept of Ed and awarded to each state. WE look at trends. We projected it to remain stable. 2:23:12 ~ 1/13/2012 11:19:22 AM ~ Nicholas: If legislature wanted to use the money for math testing, could we? 2:23:26 ~ 1/13/2012 11:19:37 AM ~ Steele: It is for the state assessment so if it is a component of that, then it could be used. We use it for language assessment. 2:23:52 ~ 1/13/2012 11:20:03 AM ~ Nicholas: 7.3 million . If historically the demand for PAWS was 5 million, reduced to 4 million. What happens to the 1 million. Needs to be repurposed. If you have repurposed it within the department, the legislature is left out of the discussion. If you save on dollars, the legislature expects to be part of the process. We want to know what is saved and what is repurposed, we want specifics. 2:25:23 ~ 1/13/2012 11:21:34 AM ~ Holbrook: Title 6 funding; Assessments for the Federal accountability to the US Dept of Education. Have an accountability workbook approved every year. Using it for math testing, suplanting category can not use those funds. 2:26:18 ~ 1/13/2012 11:22:29 AM ~ Nicholas: What is your plan for the forecasted saving? 2:26:27 ~ 1/13/2012 11:22:38 AM ~ Steele: If we have a new assessment, need to plan professional development for implementation in accountability legislation. How much toward contract and how much to help districts for committies, for travel. If it is a saving from the contract, it is more money to help the teachers help the student. 2:27:48 ~ 1/13/2012 11:23:58 AM ~ Nicholas: Should have plan 2:27:54 ~ 1/13/2012 11:24:04 AM ~ Steele: will provide 2:28:00 ~ 1/13/2012 11:24:10 AM ~ Nicholas: Menu of what dollars can be used for? 2:28:09 ~ 1/13/2012 11:24:19 AM ~ Steele: List of things mney can be used for. Professinal development for new assessment. List of what used for and possibilites 2:28:45 ~ 1/13/2012 11:24:55 AM ~ Nicholas: Training, provided by dept, additional resources? 2:28:59 ~ 1/13/2012 11:25:09 AM ~ Steele: New assessment, new component in assessment, important to work with teachers, work with districts after data is returned. Do need to allow for training they need. 2:29:55 ~ 1/13/2012 11:26:06 AM ~ Nicholas: Dept has resources to do it? Contract? Resources vetted in department? 2:30:15 ~ 1/13/2012 11:26:26 AM ~ Steele: Budget supports positions, 2:30:29 ~ 1/13/2012 11:26:39 AM ~ Nicholas; Seven positions are embedded. 2:30:49 ~ 1/13/2012 11:26:59 AM ~ Steele: Professionals trained. May need help from contractors 2:31:24 ~ 1/13/2012 11:27:34 AM ~ Nicholas: Contracting new people for new things. WHo are these providers. Spend less on PAWS, save money, what will you use it for? 2:32:03 ~ 1/13/2012 11:28:13 AM ~ Holbrook: In contract negotiations, do not have figure, so difficult to project what we can do. Since it is new vendor, expect training related to that change. Anticipate training with teachers and administrators. 2:33:09 ~ 1/13/2012 11:29:20 AM ~ Nicholas: Have to provide training and 7 people do that. Have to secure third party training? 2:33:27 ~ 1/13/2012 11:29:38 AM ~ Holbrook: Seven folks do provide some training. With 900 series money, where it will be contracted is uncertain. ETS may provide training or they may have people they contract with. it will be a combination of the seven people and contractors. 2:34:24 ~ 1/13/2012 11:30:34 AM ~ Steward: Issue of declining federal dollars> Adjustments in funding model? 2:35:00 ~ 1/13/2012 11:31:11 AM ~ Hansen: Funding modal takes no federal dollars into consideration. 2:35:12 ~ 1/13/2012 11:31:22 AM ~ Willmar: Fred is correct, 1.6 million in state portion, no federal dollars in calculation. 2:35:31 ~ 1/13/2012 11:31:42 AM ~ Berger: 10 minute break. 2:36:26 ~ 1/13/2012 11:51:03 AM ~ Nicholas We have a memo that was sent to the two chairman from Mat. 18 mill for the bienneum There is a huge portion of the funding from the school foundation fund. If it is saved from the school foundation.... The fed money was for the PAWs testing. If there was savings it should go to the school foundation. That could be used for building more schools. Bottom line, the savings 2:39:38 ~ 1/13/2012 11:54:15 AM ~ Holbrook I understand that. This is something that should be looked at. What is required in state law..... We need to look at both sides. We are not sure what that change will be. 2:41:15 ~ 1/13/2012 11:55:52 AM ~ Nicholas Which would you rather have for X or building schools. No public input for redirecting those dollars. When you start talking about the pierson dollars 2:42:17 ~ 1/13/2012 11:56:53 AM ~ Hansen We intend to direct that in the callback session. 2:42:39 ~ 1/13/2012 11:57:16 AM ~ Nicholas You might as well give us a breakdown on that also. 2:43:03 ~ 1/13/2012 11:57:39 AM ~ Hansen That concludes our budget process presentation. 2:43:31 ~ 1/13/2012 11:58:08 AM ~ Harshman Page 4 of Handout 139 The total pass throughs was 2:44:24 ~ 1/13/2012 11:59:01 AM ~ Hansen That was just prior to recalabration 2:44:44 ~ 1/13/2012 11:59:21 AM ~ Harshman The next one is 1.6 mill How much is driven by eca 2:45:13 ~ 1/13/2012 11:59:50 AM ~ Matt Next thursday you will get a revised copy 2:45:53 ~ 1/13/2012 12:00:30 PM ~ Harshman Has any of it been enrollment growth 2:46:13 ~ 1/13/2012 12:00:49 PM ~ Matt About 1% increase statewide growth 2:46:49 ~ 1/13/2012 12:01:26 PM ~ Nicholas ECA is a worthwihile discussion We did defer it. We can talk about that at call back. 2:47:41 ~ 1/13/2012 12:02:18 PM ~ Berger We have that on January 19 2:47:55 ~ 1/13/2012 12:02:32 PM ~ Harshman We went from summer school from 20 mill. to 30 mill. The 20 mill budget was about 5 mill shortfall. Summer school is based on 1.5 2:49:18 ~ 1/13/2012 12:03:55 PM ~ Matt Also increased enrollment in at risk students. 2:49:54 ~ 1/13/2012 12:04:30 PM ~ Harshman So more customers 2:50:05 ~ 1/13/2012 12:04:42 PM ~ Berger Any more questions Any thing further to agency 005, Now 205 2:50:42 ~ 1/13/2012 12:05:18 PM ~ Hansen Page 8 There is just a couple of things an additional $48 mill will be needed. 2:51:28 ~ 1/13/2012 12:06:04 PM ~ Matt The 1.2 bill has been increased because some more refinments from Dept. of Ed 2:52:24 ~ 1/13/2012 12:07:00 PM ~ Edmonds We had an increase because of decreas?? 2:52:52 ~ 1/13/2012 12:07:29 PM ~ Matt When student population goes down, state has to make up the difference 2:53:31 ~ 1/13/2012 12:08:08 PM ~ Harshman Need more specifics 2:53:43 ~ 1/13/2012 12:08:20 PM ~ Hansen Page 9 205 Budget We have never charged to 400 series We don't get all the money up front, we have to borrow from the general fund The other number is 901 professional fees. If we have a public hearing , it gives us some money 2:55:56 ~ 1/13/2012 12:10:33 PM ~ Nicholas They would have had an Administrative Law Judge 2:56:29 ~ 1/13/2012 12:11:05 PM ~ Hansen This is for administrive hearings against the school The losing parting has to pay. 2:57:10 ~ 1/13/2012 12:11:47 PM ~ Hansen 4201 Court Order Placements Best guess 2:57:57 ~ 1/13/2012 12:12:34 PM ~ Nicholas Heads Up These 3 budgets We reduce our budgets here, then what's going to happen, its maybe a run of increasing daily rates to make up the short fall. Then what you see is a reduced income. Cathadrel contacted me, the have space available. Fred, what have you heard 3:00:54 ~ 1/13/2012 12:15:31 PM ~ Hansen Your DFS agency has been handling it. The providers are trying to treat the children as soon as possible. 3:01:45 ~ 1/13/2012 12:16:22 PM ~ Berger We have several agencies 3:01:59 ~ 1/13/2012 12:16:36 PM ~ Nicholas If you do do that Then the nursing rooms costs need to go up. The understanding was that..... when you get to the youth challenge program, do you really 3:03:34 ~ 1/13/2012 12:18:11 PM ~ Harshman How about the number of customers 3:04:01 ~ 1/13/2012 12:18:38 PM ~ Hansen 3:04:33 ~ 1/13/2012 12:19:10 PM ~ Nicholas When we look at the court order students. 3:04:54 ~ 1/13/2012 12:19:31 PM ~ Hansen It is not static They are the must severly handicapped 3:05:18 ~ 1/13/2012 12:19:55 PM ~ Nicholas We need to have a capacity for these severly handicapped kids. If we fund the youth challenage program. Lets take the Cathedral Home. They make more money of the easy to handle kids. 3:07:20 ~ 1/13/2012 12:21:57 PM ~ Hill Treatment is much different 3:07:56 ~ 1/13/2012 12:22:32 PM ~ Nicholas I think you are right What I understand happening Contacting the judge and here is a divergent program to avoid the COPS program. 3:09:09 ~ 1/13/2012 12:23:45 PM ~ Hansen There is so many The kids are going to yourth challenge 3:09:52 ~ 1/13/2012 12:24:29 PM ~ Pedersen If one is looking at a static situation income does go down. I think 3:10:56 ~ 1/13/2012 12:25:33 PM ~ Meier There is a small amount of overlap there. It is clients that are envolved. 3:11:40 ~ 1/13/2012 12:26:16 PM ~ Agar When Senator Nicholas Family Services will be here monday. It is those who might have to go to reform school These are two seperate populations 3:13:02 ~ 1/13/2012 12:27:39 PM ~ Hansen Page 15 Mill Levy Supplement Reduce by 2.5 mill Page 19 Instruction facilitators Last year was a recalabration bill Page 21 National Board of Certification Page 3:15:41 ~ 1/13/2012 12:30:18 PM ~ Nicholas Are they young reachers 3:15:57 ~ 1/13/2012 12:30:34 PM ~ Hansen We have a report that we gave legislation 3:16:17 ~ 1/13/2012 12:30:53 PM ~ Nicholas This is a performance pay based on additional education. Is that something that 3:17:22 ~ 1/13/2012 12:31:59 PM ~ Matt National Board of Certification 3:18:04 ~ 1/13/2012 12:32:40 PM ~ Nicholas Do you have any more information 3:18:34 ~ 1/13/2012 12:33:10 PM ~ Copeland That information is readily available 3:19:11 ~ 1/13/2012 12:33:48 PM ~ Nicholas 3:19:40 ~ 1/13/2012 12:34:16 PM ~ Berger Send that electornically 3:19:55 ~ 1/13/2012 12:34:32 PM ~ Nicholas Is there other areas that you have information on 3:20:14 ~ 1/13/2012 12:34:50 PM ~ Copeland I don't know what other systems have 3:20:39 ~ 1/13/2012 12:35:16 PM ~ Von Flatern What are the number of 3:21:06 ~ 1/13/2012 12:35:43 PM ~ Hansen We were short the last two years but other than that we have had reversions 3:21:51 ~ 1/13/2012 12:36:27 PM ~ Berger Okay We will be back at 1:30. 3:22:24 ~ 1/13/2012 12:37:00 PM ~