File name: JAC Budget Hearings FY 13-14_20120116_122246.dcr Folder: C:\Documents and Settings\HAppropriations\Desktop\Recordings 2 ~ 1/16/2012 1:20:47 PM ~ Afternoon Session, Department of Corrections continues. 50 ~ 1/16/2012 1:21:34 PM ~ Nicholas: Handout 147: Chapter 17 process on interim study list. Sex Offender Treatment program, by division for each institution, Health care delivery, health care dollars need to be able to be moved around,. They are not repurposed dollars. Substance abuse funding in one category, put it at institution where those individuals need it. Sustance abuse funding for entire population and moving it to hwer ti is needed. I was critical of moving from division to divison, your point of view is one-lump sum, moved to where needed. Same discussion with Health care applies to this. Maybe we made a mistake by having you break these dollars out by institution, one lump sum for substance abuse, watch it move up and down, you can move funds to where needed. Deck will be reshuffled where the populatin is. Program funding by program, let's consider consolidating those. May be other areas beside health care and substance abuse. Substance abuse program overfunded by 2.7 million. You are willing to give it back. Treat sex offender seperately. Willing to give up 2.7 million of tobacco funds which traditionally will revert. Is that the same amount each year? 6:53 ~ 1/16/2012 1:27:38 PM ~ Lampert: Total amount reverted is tobacco dollars and general fund. This portion of that particular request is to shift that expenditure...total expenditure shifted to tobacco. Normally revert 2.5 million, better investment to treat other needs outside of substance. 7:50 ~ 1/16/2012 1:28:35 PM ~ Nicholas: Have you always reverted, built program with more funds than needed? 8:05 ~ 1/16/2012 1:28:50 PM ~ Lampert: Have not always reverted that maount, substance abuse on bubble, identified money expenditure in health for advertising, decision to use dollars for treatment services, went from Dept of Health into our budget. Was not that large of tobacco dollar reversion. Was reversion around substance abuse, 2.5 million is what we anticipate. 9:17 ~ 1/16/2012 1:30:02 PM ~ Nicholas: With the 2.5 million resversion can you run program at level intended? 9:31 ~ 1/16/2012 1:30:15 PM ~ Lampert: yes 9:34 ~ 1/16/2012 1:30:18 PM ~ Nicholas: 2.5 million new dollars in GF for sex abuse, asked for in past, routinely denied based on studies, 10:15 ~ 1/16/2012 1:31:00 PM ~ Lampert: One year sex abuse treatment program, budget reduction, footnote on floor, one rep asked for 250,000 be put back in to allow for an evaluation of what the dept of corrections would recommend, assessment and treatment. No vendor. Attempted to contract with individual providers of sex therapist, ended up with one to provide all treatment, could not expand all of the 250,000 so asked for extension and asked to shift funding request from exception to standard budget. Broaden the sex abuse treatment program on best practices. 12:22 ~ 1/16/2012 1:33:06 PM ~ Nicholas" Begun program with B11? 12:33 ~ 1/16/2012 1:33:18 PM ~ Lampert: STill spending from the 250,000, primarily assessments, very little treatment, 12:52 ~ 1/16/2012 1:33:36 PM ~ Nicholas: Begun program for other than 250? 13:03 ~ 1/16/2012 1:33:48 PM ~ Lindly: Funding model difficult, one therapist did not show up, the other did not receive money's worth so let go, using workbooks facilitated by staff. No we do not have a program in place. 13:55 ~ 1/16/2012 1:34:40 PM ~ Nicholas: Debate on both sides. School of thoughts. What do you perceive of prevailing science/ 14:23 ~ 1/16/2012 1:35:08 PM ~ Lampert: Mixed. If appropriately targed at high risk, responsivity basis. it works. Treatment without making it individual to risk and needs, it is not effective 15:03 ~ 1/16/2012 1:35:48 PM ~ Nicholas: Reestate 15:08 ~ 1/16/2012 1:35:52 PM ~ Lampert: Sex offender treatment is offender specific. Studies suggesting it works say if it is appropriately targeted, match risk level and individual. 15:51 ~ 1/16/2012 1:36:36 PM ~ Lindly: Tendancy of policy makers, jump to cures or not. Our belief is that it is part of a comprehensive ...Considered lsot funding a blow. Sex Offender therapist evaluation gives us informaiton we did not have before. Most of us agree on what is effective. 25% of inmate population is sex offenders. Judges: big spans of time between parole. 5 to 7 years, I think more effictive is 5 to 15, polygraphs, trained therapists, treatment, for public safety. One of the worst is to serve time and go out without any of that, Monitor with polygraphs and teams in community, case managing. Community sets standards. Do not look in isolation, can be managed safely, 18:51 ~ 1/16/2012 1:39:36 PM ~ Nicholas: Remind me of funding for mandatory required evaluation. ? 19:18 ~ 1/16/2012 1:40:03 PM ~ Lindly: Not aware of that. Staff does pretreatment assessments. Two types. Not a mandatory ev aluation. When we had treatment program we had them with evaluation. Decided whether to put inmate into minimum security facility. 20:12 ~ 1/16/2012 1:40:57 PM ~ Lampert: With program, had entire phsyc evaluation. 20:26 ~ 1/16/2012 1:41:11 PM ~ Nicholas:? 20:30 ~ 1/16/2012 1:41:14 PM ~ Lampert: Not long enough to determine, think it did have impact for not reoffending, 1 yr program, have not seen them come back, have nto had a 3 year program to evaluate. 21:02 ~ 1/16/2012 1:41:47 PM ~ Pedersen: Mandatory minimums for first offense against minors, sexual assualt has different level of recidivism, many are individual cases. What is the target group of prisoners you are working with..across the level or in higher levels? 22:03 ~ 1/16/2012 1:42:47 PM ~ Lampert: 2.5 million would get assessment of sex offender, not provide treatment for group, wiould target moderately high or high risk, strangers, sex offenses against minors, against minor males. Prioritize treatment around risk, increase in public safety. 22:58 ~ 1/16/2012 1:43:42 PM ~ Berger: Longer avg stay, longer sentences, how does that relate to sex offender population? 23:23 ~ 1/16/2012 1:44:08 PM ~ Lampert: We are lengthening sentence without treatment program. Not a good parole risk. 23:55 ~ 1/16/2012 1:44:40 PM ~ Peterson: Pg 512 of Narrative, in budget. Last year, budget footnote, requires a 2013/2015 budget request for a full reinstatement of program. Came with a creative way to fund it. Would like to see workding. Projected reve4rsions. Want to make sure not counting money twice. Is the peer review needed for this program, rather than budget footnote. Structure is there, needs to be followed. 25:56 ~ 1/16/2012 1:46:41 PM ~ Nicholas: If in Chapter 17 process, you did everything on left side of column, wouldn't our Golden Rod show an extra 2.5 million in GF? Chapter 17 starts before Gov makes a rec. Accts 9052,9053,9043 would have additional appropriations so three funds would be overappropriated with GF? 27:35 ~ 1/16/2012 1:48:20 PM ~ Jones: Correct 27:41 ~ 1/16/2012 1:48:26 PM ~ Nicholas: Need to know if we reshuffle. 27:54 ~ 1/16/2012 1:48:38 PM ~ Jones: Correct 27:59 ~ 1/16/2012 1:48:43 PM ~ Nicholas: Talk about during mark up. Director Lampert, as we go through, where we divided up among institutions, and dollars were intended to be flexed, identify them. Health care, substance abuse. What we indtended isn ot going to work 28:56 ~ 1/16/2012 1:49:41 PM ~ Lampert: AGree and will work with budget office 29:06 ~ 1/16/2012 1:49:50 PM ~ Jones: Clarification. Consolidate health care and substance abuse into a single division? a division for each prupose 29:29 ~ 1/16/2012 1:50:14 PM ~ Nicholas: You come back with recommendation, single unit for substance abuse, line below for each institution, trying to get a cost for each institution, your intent is that money follows the population. 30:12 ~ 1/16/2012 1:50:56 PM ~ Jones: Clarification, both structural changes within 2013/2014? 30:26 ~ 1/16/2012 1:51:11 PM ~ Nichoals: Recreate to see if it makes sense. 30:35 ~ 1/16/2012 1:51:20 PM ~ Jones: will do 30:38 ~ 1/16/2012 1:51:23 PM ~ fNicholas: Get an example, Year by year demand will change, I assume. 2.5 million for sex offender treatment, now saying it is more assessment not treatment 31:30 ~ 1/16/2012 1:52:15 PM ~ lampert: 2.5 million is treatment, 250,000 is pretreatment. 31:44 ~ 1/16/2012 1:52:29 PM ~ Nicholas: Does the 250 roll out? 31:51 ~ 1/16/2012 1:52:36 PM ~ Lindly: 250 is one time. the 2.5 encompasees the full program, treatment on high risk and assessment on the entire population. 32:20 ~ 1/16/2012 1:53:05 PM ~ Nicholas: Contract out? 32:27 ~ 1/16/2012 1:53:11 PM ~ Lampert: Contract out 32:33 ~ 1/16/2012 1:53:18 PM ~ Nicholas: Hiring Authority - people moving into state. 32:56 ~ 1/16/2012 1:53:40 PM ~ Lampert: Can not attract qualified sex therapists, managment nightmare. Contract with provider. 33:31 ~ 1/16/2012 1:54:16 PM ~ NIcholas: Health dollars to third party firms, management fee is stripped ofo. What is the fee? 33:55 ~ 1/16/2012 1:54:40 PM ~ Lampert: Right at 6%. The remainder is direct services. 34:09 ~ 1/16/2012 1:54:54 PM ~ Nicholas: Expect a similar percentage here. 34:17 ~ 1/16/2012 1:55:02 PM ~ Lampert: Adm fees were less than 10%, do not remember the exact % 34:43 ~ 1/16/2012 1:55:28 PM ~ fNicholas: Have you gone to local providers, saying giving them 6%, interested in making money. 35:17 ~ 1/16/2012 1:56:01 PM ~ Lampert: Have spoken with regoinal providers, not interested and have trouble recruiting qualified providers. Wyoming does not have same licensing? as other states. Well worth 6% fee to have provider. 36:19 ~ 1/16/2012 1:57:04 PM ~ Nicholas: 6% peel off fee. Will bring in doctors from out of state. ..Ex: paying 2 million to orthapedic services, go to local and tell them about the 2 million and if interested. 37:35 ~ 1/16/2012 1:58:20 PM ~ Lampert: Gem City Bone and Joint, at 300+%, will reduct but it is still 353% of medicare rate. 38:03 ~ 1/16/2012 1:58:47 PM ~ Nicholas: published or private information? 38:10 ~ 1/16/2012 1:58:55 PM ~ Lampert: Not sure, have made it available to private providers, Meeting at end of month with Cheyenne Regional. 38:57 ~ 1/16/2012 1:59:42 PM ~ Nichoals: Casper folks? 39:03 ~ 1/16/2012 1:59:47 PM ~ Lampert: Have met with them 39:08 ~ 1/16/2012 1:59:52 PM ~ Steward: 2.5 million is ongoing and will become part of standard budget? 39:20 ~ 1/16/2012 2:00:05 PM ~ Lampert: Correct 39:25 ~ 1/16/2012 2:00:09 PM ~ Lampert: Started program, had the money. How long to accumulate the data and show effectiveness? Other committee reports to? 39:59 ~ 1/16/2012 2:00:44 PM ~ Lampert: Joint Judiciary, Generally speaking, want 3 years of continuing treatment for solid results. If money is appropriated, retained, not reverted, would begin RFP to initiate program by July of 2012 to have sex offender treatment provider contracted. 41:24 ~ 1/16/2012 2:02:08 PM ~ Nicholas: Put in as one time funding, require come back, gives 2 years, not 3 41:41 ~ 1/16/2012 2:02:25 PM ~ Lindly: Staff researcher looks at outcome data on all programs, started him before we knew the program would be discontinued. 42:21 ~ 1/16/2012 2:03:06 PM ~ Lampert: Need 3 years of new program to get that data.Would rather have it ongoing. Any funding, even one time is better or allowing us to spend reversion . 43:12 ~ 1/16/2012 2:03:57 PM ~ Berger: No program, of 25%, of those released. have you tracked recidivism? 43:39 ~ 1/16/2012 2:04:24 PM ~ Lindly: Yes, process started then stopped. 43:53 ~ 1/16/2012 2:04:38 PM ~ Lampert: Community containment program, 44:07 ~ 1/16/2012 2:04:52 PM ~ Lindly: Requiring pretreatment cognitive program of journals facilited and reviewed by case workers. If completed, then required to go to therapist. 44:39 ~ 1/16/2012 2:05:24 PM ~ Equibel: Last year legislature for minimum sentence for first time offender versus second time? 45:07 ~ 1/16/2012 2:05:52 PM ~ Lampert: 2 or 3 times sex offenders have stout sentences compared to first. First time sentences have become longer. 45:28 ~ 1/16/2012 2:06:13 PM ~ Esquibel: Program for first time? 45:41 ~ 1/16/2012 2:06:26 PM ~ Lampert: Distinguishing betweem this would be artifical approach. 46:01 ~ 1/16/2012 2:06:46 PM ~ Steward: Judiciary committee. Multiple request through appropriations for funding. Discussion for a bill through the Judiciary committee? 46:38 ~ 1/16/2012 2:07:23 PM ~ Lampert: No, keep them appraised, did not ask for seperate legislation. 47:03 ~ 1/16/2012 2:07:47 PM ~ Peterson: Tobacco settlement funds, when will disapperar. 47:16 ~ 1/16/2012 2:08:01 PM ~ Nicholas: Chart, interest on fund, new monies going in, new monies direct, 47:35 ~ 1/16/2012 2:08:20 PM ~ Mai: Income is on that thumb drive. 47:47 ~ 1/16/2012 2:08:31 PM ~ Peterson: Though the dept of health? 47:54 ~ 1/16/2012 2:08:39 PM ~ Mai: Yes, full accounting from Dejpt of Health, full accounting is not on that sheet yet, working on updating. 48:12 ~ 1/16/2012 2:08:56 PM ~ Lampert: Page 54 We don't want to give up the progress we have made. We beg your permission to continure 50:00 ~ 1/16/2012 2:10:44 PM ~ Nicholas You can pay them anything A&I will allow you to pay them 50:25 ~ 1/16/2012 2:11:09 PM ~ Lampert Either if we could't fund them, we would have to let them go. That is the reason that it is on here again. For you all, we made an exception. In this case you have a total 100 series accounty 52:14 ~ 1/16/2012 2:12:58 PM ~ Lampert They need to be paid for by industry. 52:38 ~ 1/16/2012 2:13:23 PM ~ Nicholas All us fund thes out of of 100 series 53:12 ~ 1/16/2012 2:13:56 PM ~ Berger: The programs themselves will be profitable. However, the fish rearing has not been profitable and probabloy never will. However, there are other benefits from this program. 55:24 ~ 1/16/2012 2:16:09 PM ~ Lampert: Page 55 Would thought we would be able to invite outside industries to come to Wyoming. I didn't realize how hard it is to draw industries to Wyoming 57:22 ~ 1/16/2012 2:18:06 PM ~ Meier: I saw , From what I understand, you have to minimal wage? 58:16 ~ 1/16/2012 2:19:01 PM ~ Lampert That is correct. Page 56 Gov' Rec. 58:48 ~ 1/16/2012 2:19:33 PM ~ Nicholas Page 61 Here is what I need you to do, standard budget, no exceptions We are at Page 61 Page 64 Stancard CIO 1:00:23 ~ 1/16/2012 2:21:08 PM ~ Lampert Standard Budget Page 71 & 72 Split Sentencing. on page 74 1:01:59 ~ 1/16/2012 2:22:44 PM ~ Peterson: That $60 per day. 1:02:28 ~ 1/16/2012 2:23:12 PM ~ Lampert Page 84 Page 84 Emergency generator, Gov denied Unit 3022 Page 87 onto 88 The camp is constructed on State Schools land. We have told that our work to the land does not consider 1:05:22 ~ 1/16/2012 2:26:07 PM ~ Lampert To me those are all state dollarts. 1:05:58 ~ 1/16/2012 2:26:43 PM ~ NVon Flatern So we won't 1:06:29 ~ 1/16/2012 2:27:14 PM ~ Berger How many get jobs because they have fiire fighting esperience. 1:07:19 ~ 1/16/2012 2:28:04 PM ~ Lampert I don't know. Unit 3031 Page 90, 98, Page 100 Also give me chance to brag on the bootcamp achievements. That is 1:09:12 ~ 1/16/2012 2:29:57 PM ~ Von Flatern Page 92 You are charging to Niobrara. 1:10:05 ~ 1/16/2012 2:30:50 PM ~ Lampert We will get that corrected Pages 104 , 105 Gov Rec - denie Takes in consideration additional population Page 107 & 108 1:11:46 ~ 1/16/2012 2:32:30 PM ~ Von Flatern You you 1:12:12 ~ 1/16/2012 2:32:57 PM ~ Lampert: Most of them are an expansion of the standard unit. Exception Request142 Page 134 & 135 Page 163 - 166 Increase because of cost of supples 1:14:16 ~ 1/16/2012 2:35:00 PM ~ Von Flatern: Page 165 1:14:40 ~ 1/16/2012 2:35:25 PM ~ Lamapert !76 - 203 Page 206 1:15:17 ~ 1/16/2012 2:36:02 PM ~ Von Lampert Page 178 What does it do?? 1:15:58 ~ 1/16/2012 2:36:43 PM ~ Lampert 1:16:08 ~ 1/16/2012 2:36:53 PM ~ Lampert This just pays for the stuff that goes on the shelf We are just beginning to establish a budget for this facility 2 years old 1:17:21 ~ 1/16/2012 2:38:06 PM ~ Lampert The 235 Priority #13 Increased Spending Authority 1:18:28 ~ 1/16/2012 2:39:13 PM ~ Berger Are we sending out better prisnors 1:19:09 ~ 1/16/2012 2:39:53 PM ~ Lampert When you bring a large block of personal into an prison, you have to establish a pecking order. 1:20:12 ~ 1/16/2012 2:40:57 PM ~ Berger Have you found things that need to be changed that you handn't anticipated 1:20:59 ~ 1/16/2012 2:41:43 PM ~ Lampert Sand in the filters 1:21:22 ~ 1/16/2012 2:42:07 PM ~ Berger How many people are you hiring from out of state compared to in state 1:21:48 ~ 1/16/2012 2:42:32 PM ~ Lampert They are coming back as housing becomes available. All the medical providers are in the state of Wyoming; Cap Con 240 & 241 That would allow keeping infant for 18 months. Phase 1 Phase 2 That study has been completed Building could be renovated at the cost of 1.1 mill. Gov denied We would like you to override that deniel. 1:24:56 ~ 1/16/2012 2:45:41 PM ~ Hastert You weren't quite ready for this. Is it just renovation of this building 1:25:25 ~ 1/16/2012 2:46:10 PM ~ Lampert What I recall the discussion was for female staff. The number of beds would be 14. We haven't seen that many thus far. 1:26:39 ~ 1/16/2012 2:47:24 PM ~ Hastert There is not a building at this time? 1:26:56 ~ 1/16/2012 2:47:41 PM ~ Lampert Presently they are in with the general population. Presentlly 1:27:49 ~ 1/16/2012 2:48:34 PM ~ Wallis 1,010,864 1:28:11 ~ 1/16/2012 2:48:56 PM ~ Lampert Page243, 244 Should be fix or build new??? They will have a final estimate by the end of the session. Gov concurred with denial Number is 6 mill +. In an ideal world we would request that you apporve these costs but we realize this is not an ideal world so we respect that. When you get to 8% that would be severre. 1:31:40 ~ 1/16/2012 2:52:25 PM ~ Walls Overview of the current inmate population SPecial need category. 58% of women have seq. ratio. I'm not sure what the issue is here 1:33:05 ~ 1/16/2012 2:53:50 PM ~ Lampert The was a movement people who had been the a hosipital WE provide treatment services for those who have mental health problems. We deal with them in a confined setting. Females with mental heaslth problems have dropped dramatically. 1:35:33 ~ 1/16/2012 2:56:17 PM ~ Pedersen You said 25% of you sex offenders are high risk. We want to continue to provide some educational treatment for them. That would be the high and moderately high group 1:37:16 ~ 1/16/2012 2:58:00 PM ~ Lampert I may have misrepresent sobody else's work. 1:38:00 ~ 1/16/2012 2:58:45 PM ~ Nicholas The real reason is that our minds are never fresher than they are now.. 1:38:40 ~ 1/16/2012 2:59:25 PM ~ Lampert The three areas are: sex affenders, 1:39:20 ~ 1/16/2012 3:00:05 PM ~ Nicholas Break till 3 and then we will start with DFS. 1:40:17 ~ 1/16/2012 3:26:01 PM ~ Nicholas: Faciilties discussion Friday night. Construction chart handed out. Introduce another term of marshalling. Def: If you have 2 sources of revenue, can marshall it, take it from noe source first, then other source. If Governor's rec is so much construciton for biennium. Contrary is saying every project holds that place, maybe in funding but not in line of construction. Enough resources in fund. does district get to pull trigger. Do not want to go back to funding a school half way. Giving the funding does not give you right to say when construction will start,. That remains with the building commission. 1:43:53 ~ 1/16/2012 3:29:37 PM ~ Meier: Refresh my memory on where interest income goes off these accounts, to fund planning and grants? 1:44:21 ~ 1/16/2012 3:30:05 PM ~ Nicholas: Cap Con takes it own interest. 1:44:42 ~ 1/16/2012 3:30:26 PM ~ Mai: Will have to double check, think both do. 1:44:56 ~ 1/16/2012 3:30:40 PM ~ Berger: SFC on Thursday 1:45:06 ~ 1/16/2012 3:30:50 PM ~ Nicholas: Keep at a steady rate, Give UW funding for a building, they decide when to go. Pipeline of 2 or 3 buildings at any given time. Build a pipeline of schools. Steady roll out of projects. May get funding but stand in line until there is a slot for you. 1:46:09 ~ 1/16/2012 3:31:53 PM ~ Von Flatern: Ex of Natrona County, 100 million in pipeline, all concentrated in one spot, Other problem is what is the volume the pipeline can handle. Does job get delayed? Should there be an inflation factor? Make up difference in cost if delay in project. 1:47:03 ~ 1/16/2012 3:32:46 PM ~ Nicholas: UW, Community Colleges get money up front, can come back and ask for more, Generally build a building within that budget. For SFC, external factors drive up cost. Constituition says you pay for building not how much. Constittuion does not say in what order. Need some flexibiilty. Good way to divorce idea of which projects get funding, who decides when and how they go. Two different issues: Can we fund the list? When do we get to go? If itr is in 3 years, may come back with inflation and we have to pony it up. Could end up with inflation from stacking prjects. 1:49:29 ~ 1/16/2012 3:35:13 PM ~ Pedersen: Assumption that was the target of practice, series of things saying if a school is ready to be built. Sometimes we fund and build, sometimes we split it into pieces. How does that differ from current practice. 1:50:28 ~ 1/16/2012 3:36:12 PM ~ Nicholas: Current practice manipulated. Changed to getting money in order, did not say if that means construction will be in order. EX: Casper with two projects in order. Who makes that decision? If you are in order to get your money, you will get it. Does not tell you when you get to start. 1:52:08 ~ 1/16/2012 3:37:51 PM ~ Nicholas: DFS , Director Steve Corsi 1:52:23 ~ 1/16/2012 3:38:07 PM ~ Corsi: Paul Yaksic, CFO. Move through presentation then take questions at the end? 1:53:04 ~ 1/16/2012 3:38:48 PM ~ Nicholas: Okay, 1:53:11 ~ 1/16/2012 3:38:55 PM ~ Corsi: Most efficient way 1:53:20 ~ 1/16/2012 3:39:04 PM ~ Corsi: Moving through budget? will still get questions. 1:53:37 ~ 1/16/2012 3:39:21 PM ~ Von Flatern: email in? 1:53:43 ~ 1/16/2012 3:39:27 PM ~ Corsi: Highlights from divisions within department of family services, key points for summary table on page 4, two appropriatons, move through the budget. Division is number 1 in the USA and 3 terrorities, Achieved in 2011, again in number 1 position. Early Childhood Division rolled out child care time and assistance, uses Electronic benefits card for parents to walk into child care center, card is time and date stamped, and same at when child picked up gives timely information for payout. Out of home care: More youths are staying in communities, better for kids, Economic Assistance Divsion: Received supplemental nutrition award..given in mountain states region for highest percentage of kids, Boys school recidivsion rate, Girls school recidivision rate 1:58:54 ~ 1/16/2012 3:44:37 PM ~ Corsi: Column 4 exc request for new school building at Boys school campus; column 7 govs recommendation, total authorization. this biennium had 812 employees. 32 were lost. Not requesting more. Asking for 6.7 million reduction in GF through three exception requests, give back to state of wyoming. DFS will lose 2.2 million in ARRA funding, not requesting replacement for this. 2:00:58 ~ 1/16/2012 3:46:41 PM ~ Corsi: Handout 146: summary sheet, remove capital construction, approximately 5 million dollars. 100 series, in column 4: 6 million as result of Hayes study, 1 million results from case workers and specialist hiring rates set byu A&I, at 3064 dollars which is higher than department is funded. Have to account for additional 7 million in employee expenses and 2.3 millino in ARRA. Plan to offset by increasing our federal spending authority . CANNA funding is exempt from reductions. Increase in federal spending authority meets criteria. 2:03:14 ~ 1/16/2012 3:48:58 PM ~ Corsi: Appropriation in Socail Services and one in Economic Assistance. Explanation of what units are in each. Budget to be presented honors committment to look for efficiencies and improvements. Examined, reallocated, looked at every expenditure and every line item, has 549 contracts, most within Wyoming. Financial Services division and I have looked at each one. Sustainable Budget. 2:05:14 ~ 1/16/2012 3:50:58 PM ~ Corsi: Pg 14 of the budget, directors unit 5901 pg 16, 5902 protective services unit. 131 adult protecton referall per month, 1536 children cases per month. Gov's rec is for removal of position. DFS concurs 2:06:54 ~ 1/16/2012 3:52:38 PM ~ Corsi: Pg 18 First Exception Request, reduction in GF for 2.6 million. Agency requested increase funding from TANF. Not new funding. Funds have been earned by dept over last 2 1/2 biennium. 2:07:55 ~ 1/16/2012 3:53:39 PM ~ VonFlatern: Pg 18 paragraph: Receive TANA funds, Do they look at what you do in previous year and give grant for this year? How doe sit work? 2:08:39 ~ 1/16/2012 3:54:23 PM ~ Yaksic: OUr block grant is a drawdown. It sits in US treasury and we draw funds based on our expenditures. TANF does not go away at end of year, can bank at end of year. Consisten for 5 or 6 years, have pattern. If we did not have those children, would not draw the funds, would sit with the federal government. We always have a little at the end. 2:10:41 ~ 1/16/2012 3:56:24 PM ~ Nicholas: Reverting 2.5 million per biennium? 2:10:55 ~ 1/16/2012 3:56:39 PM ~ Yaksic: Reverted the dollars, seen throughout the exception requests. TANF must spend 9.5 millino state and 18 million federal or they will penalize. When we get near end of the year, know where we are at and revert to the general fund. 2:11:47 ~ 1/16/2012 3:57:31 PM ~ Nicholas: Can return to the state 2.5 million. Meeting the maintenance efforts requirement, reverting about that per biennium? How do you keep maintenance effort if spending money in the past? 2:12:31 ~ 1/16/2012 3:58:15 PM ~ Corsi: Dept has reverted money 7 or 8 out of the last 10 years. Money we have earned over the last 2 1/2 biennium. Asking to increase federal TANF spending authority and take money projected to revert and offer it on the front end. 2:13:15 ~ 1/16/2012 3:58:59 PM ~ Nicholas: Budget had padding, did not have to use. From Federal Govt point of view, not altering our maintenance of effort requirement. 2:13:41 ~ 1/16/2012 3:59:25 PM ~ Corsi: Not altering, not a matter of padding, must qualify to capture the funds, 2:14:11 ~ 1/16/2012 3:59:55 PM ~ Nicholas: Historically have record of reversions, I expect it to go down. 2:14:26 ~ 1/16/2012 4:00:10 PM ~ Corsi: Correct. 2:14:32 ~ 1/16/2012 4:00:16 PM ~ Corsi: Pg 20: Protective Services, Column 2 2.2 million ARRA fund reductions. first of two reductions, will not ask for replacement funds. 2:15:09 ~ 1/16/2012 4:00:52 PM ~ Nicholas: Same discussion as applies to last one. 2:15:17 ~ 1/16/2012 4:01:01 PM ~ Corsi: Yes, sir. three exception reuqests are not asking for replacement funding, will absorb in department Pg 22, Community Crisis center: No positions associate, 222 children annually, 81 beds at 97 dollars per day. Contract for 96 beds . RFP for 10 beds released next week. Providers asking for increase . Department is asking to stay level.f 2:17:00 ~ 1/16/2012 4:02:44 PM ~ Von Flatern: Question? 2:17:08 ~ 1/16/2012 4:02:52 PM ~ Corsi: RFP for 10, released an RFP for 8 beds, received no response. Providers could not make it work financially so increased to 10 beds. 2:17:52 ~ 1/16/2012 4:03:36 PM ~ Von Flatern: 8 beds won't cash flow but 10 will. Any other providers? 2:18:10 ~ 1/16/2012 4:03:54 PM ~ Corsi: Not sure of providers interested. 2:18:26 ~ 1/16/2012 4:04:10 PM ~ VonFlatern: Big Horn Basin combining services. Why is department not in support of raising fees? Surplus of beds? 2:18:57 ~ 1/16/2012 4:04:41 PM ~ Corsi: Residential treatment beds further in budget. Hesitant to raise fee based on economic situation of wyoming and not knowing what legislature and JAC will do with budget, prefer to remain flat. In Surprised at number of people and organizatons who asked for more money. 2:20:15 ~ 1/16/2012 4:05:59 PM ~ Peterson: Crisis beds in facilities. Where are this kids from crisis families gone in past year? Where do they go if no facilities are available? 2:20:53 ~ 1/16/2012 4:06:37 PM ~ Corsi: Cheyenne kids to Cathedral homes, foster homes,. Youth have been taken care of. Have not seen increased detention rate or crime rate in area. 2:21:40 ~ 1/16/2012 4:07:24 PM ~ Petersen: More than Cheyenne, BIg Horn Basis, Carbon County closed. Attritution due to rates? If non profits can not do it at 97 per day per bed, then who can? Distance a father or mother has to go to visit youth in Laramie. I mentioned 5 that have closed. Budget has been reduced due to this attrition? 2:23:08 ~ 1/16/2012 4:08:51 PM ~ Corsi: Get back with that info. Resisdence treatment centers. RTC beds use rates decreased. Out of home placements at historic lows. Not seeing comminserate reductions in cost. Looking into that. Historic lows not relating to lowered costs. 2:24:14 ~ 1/16/2012 4:09:57 PM ~ Peterson: Concern: If contract is not increased, more contractors fall by wayside, try more in home placements. Best practice sto keep kids in own homes in communities. Sounds like a conflict, not reaching objective. If home is not safe, what alternative to moving to Laramie for housing? Phased sawmills out of Wyoming and now do not have them for bark beetle. Where do we go if homes are not in Wyoming? 2:25:55 ~ 1/16/2012 4:11:39 PM ~ Corsi: Impending use of RFP demonstrates the departments committment and understanding of crisis beds. Ongoing needs for crisis beds. State of Wyoming is devloped alternative services throughout the state. Successful yet long way to go. Additional reason we have less kids in crisis situations. 2:27:08 ~ 1/16/2012 4:12:52 PM ~ Peterson: See atrrittion and closing of homes and non-profits can't make a go of it. OUr alternatives coming down to a head to not meet objective to keep them in their community. 2:27:48 ~ 1/16/2012 4:13:32 PM ~ Esquibel: What is the departments procedures for relative care instead of crisis care? Reimbursed by the state? 2:28:44 ~ 1/16/2012 4:14:28 PM ~ Corsi: Grandparents reimbursed by TANA. I have tackled number of placements in stranger placement. one third with relatives. Know based on research that kids with relatives do better. Social connections and emotional relations. Reesearch is clear. 206 youth in relative care. The power program, personal opporutnities for work and employment opportuntites are primarily grandparents serving those youth. 2:30:14 ~ 1/16/2012 4:15:58 PM ~ Esquibel: Grandparents contact DFS and you refer to coordinator of program? 2:30:29 ~ 1/16/2012 4:16:13 PM ~ Corsi: Case worker work with those families. Kinship Advocacy organization that we provide some funding for whose focus is what you are tlaking about, in home care through relatives, working with them. 2:31:12 ~ 1/16/2012 4:16:56 PM ~ Esquibel: Still fall under that, if parents are incarcerated or can not be involved in childs life, rather than considered abuse or neglect? 2:31:45 ~ 1/16/2012 4:17:29 PM ~ Corsi: If parents are incarcerated, would grandparents still be allowed to receive compenstion from DFS for those services, the answer is yes. 2:32:22 ~ 1/16/2012 4:18:06 PM ~ Nicholas: Information from your staff on early chid hood development. Promised reductions later on. Is this beginning of reward for earlier resources? Are we being called upon to fund vacancies? Home buildt for 15, only half of beds are full. Cathedral home out of state placements have declined. Is it our responsibility to pick up funding for reduced funding from out of state placements. Asked for more money from Youth Challenge program. Provide a perspective on what is happening. Year of less utilitzation with jump up next year or trend of less utilitzation? 2:34:46 ~ 1/16/2012 4:20:30 PM ~ Corsi: Page 3 of handout is graph of point in time placements back to 2006 through dec 1, 2011. Graph not for crisis beds or youth treatment, the trend is down. 1014 2:36:05 ~ 1/16/2012 4:21:49 PM ~ fNicholas: Lines coded 2:36:11 ~ 1/16/2012 4:21:55 PM ~ Corsi: Top line of 1014 placements on. 997 placements on Jan 1, Jan 13 had 994 out of home placements. Off from a peak in 2007 of 1392 placements. 2:36:54 ~ 1/16/2012 4:22:38 PM ~ Nicholas: top line is total, second line? 2:37:03 ~ 1/16/2012 4:22:47 PM ~ Corsi: Top line is total, second line is protective services. 3rd line is juvenile services, supervised by youth probabiton officers. bottom line is youth and family, CHIN, child in need of supervision. 2:38:02 ~ 1/16/2012 4:23:46 PM ~ Nicholas? 2:38:06 ~ 1/16/2012 4:23:50 PM ~ Corsi: Repeat explanation of lines. 2:38:30 ~ 1/16/2012 4:24:13 PM ~ Nicholas: Decrease from 1433 in July of 2006 to 994 today. 34 or 35% reduction in total. 2:39:03 ~ 1/16/2012 4:24:47 PM ~ Nicholas: Credit for that? 2:39:09 ~ 1/16/2012 4:24:53 PM ~ Corsi: State of wyoming should take credit. Single point of entry through prosectors, focus of DFS staff in moving children and youth into community services, multitude of factors. 2:39:52 ~ 1/16/2012 4:25:36 PM ~ Nicholas: Crisis beds, provide total inventory. Decreased utilization, being asked to pay for vacancies or non utilization. 2:40:22 ~ 1/16/2012 4:26:06 PM ~ Corsi: We pay for those beds whether they are occupied orn ot. 2:40:38 ~ 1/16/2012 4:26:22 PM ~ Nicholas: Contract for all beds, some paid for from other organizations. What beds are we paying for? Inventory of all beds and utilization rate. 2:41:17 ~ 1/16/2012 4:27:00 PM ~ Corsi: Residential treatment beds prepared to speak but not to crisis beds. 2:41:35 ~ 1/16/2012 4:27:19 PM ~ Nicholas: Level of lobbying for rate increases, provide information within the week. what translates to line graph. 2:42:04 ~ 1/16/2012 4:27:48 PM ~ CorsiL by close of busines tomorrow 2:42:13 ~ 1/16/2012 4:27:57 PM ~ Nicholas: Friday 2:42:18 ~ 1/16/2012 4:28:02 PM ~ fCorsi: 2:42:22 ~ 1/16/2012 4:28:05 PM ~ Nicholas: what is happening to beds overall? 2:42:38 ~ 1/16/2012 4:28:22 PM ~ Corsi: Residential treatment beds : 229 daily use, have 484 in the stae. difference of 193 beds empty in residential treatment centers in July. Current 232 occupied. Request an extension of moratorium on new residential treatment beds, best interst of state of Wyoming and of providers, sitting less than half full. How it correspons to community crisis beds not sure 2:44:27 ~ 1/16/2012 4:30:10 PM ~ Nicholas: Rebasing_ ultimately paying for those empty beds. 2:44:41 ~ 1/16/2012 4:30:24 PM ~ Berger: State facilities Boys and Grils School. Impact from going community based. Youth Challenge Program. Need to address how we are utilizing facilites if spending money on Boys school and girls school. Change those needs and develo programs that do not exist. 2:46:52 ~ 1/16/2012 4:32:36 PM ~ Corsi: If youth would drop out of this program they would probably end up there. Those kids may or may not end up in the court system. I think there is a need for all the service levels across Wyoming. I guess what I am saying that there is a place for all these services 2:49:04 ~ 1/16/2012 4:34:48 PM ~ Berger I think is really important as we go forward, to really know what we need. That is a treatment that we are not 2:50:01 ~ 1/16/2012 4:35:45 PM ~ Corsi: With regard to the Cap Con request at the Boy's School and there are a number of security, IT and safety issures at this school. We need to address these needs. In light of reduced services, what we need is alternative services. Lets think ourtside the box. 2:52:23 ~ 1/16/2012 4:38:06 PM ~ Berger I would be the first to say, I would not want them to be institution if at all possible 2:53:16 ~ 1/16/2012 4:38:59 PM ~ Corsi: Girls scholl $256 Max 64, present 41 41 is pretty stable I don't think that is a bad thing 2:54:18 ~ 1/16/2012 4:40:02 PM ~ Nicholas: Historically money has driven the program. We have been putting significant new resources into early childhood developments. We were told that money invested early, would result in fewer costs later. I feel that the "later" is happening. Consequently, I don't think we need to continue to pay for vacancies. If you do need the beds, so be it. We need information 2:58:13 ~ 1/16/2012 4:43:57 PM ~ Meier Is this happening in other states? 2:58:48 ~ 1/16/2012 4:44:32 PM ~ Corsi Those two institutions do not take kids from out side of the state. I think it was New Jersey that closed their last two treatment center. Met with Dept. of Social Services in Colorado. Whey are closing two additional wings 3:01:01 ~ 1/16/2012 4:46:44 PM ~ Nicholas: If you talk to our reachers...... Explanation of why these number are declining. If you saying hold everone at the present rant. If you say hae enough 3:02:50 ~ 1/16/2012 4:48:34 PM ~ Corsi In some respects, I think you did an accurate description of what I said. I can tell you internally that gosh we might have to close down a dorm in the girls school 3:04:35 ~ 1/16/2012 4:50:19 PM ~ Von Flatern 86% in shelter beds. Maybe that threat still exists. 3:05:41 ~ 1/16/2012 4:51:25 PM ~ Wallis: I'm interested in the percentag of the girls that had co-incurring problems 3:06:23 ~ 1/16/2012 4:52:07 PM ~ Wallis Don't know but will get the information. Some were criminal 77% have a co-incurring disorder What is the other disorder 3:07:37 ~ 1/16/2012 4:53:21 PM ~ Corsi If you drop into that second paragraph Almost all have a mental issue, 77% meth. When I think of a co incurrance 3:08:50 ~ 1/16/2012 4:54:34 PM ~ Nicholas Page 33 compaged to page 37 Is there a higher percentage of women than men or are the being diognosed by different standards. 86% have substance abuse problems. What Rep Wallis would like to know is 3:10:43 ~ 1/16/2012 4:56:27 PM ~ Corsi I think the question is: do we see a higher 3:11:19 ~ 1/16/2012 4:57:03 PM ~ Wallis What is running through my mind, both adults and children Inrease........ what is the best outcome in the long run? 3:12:11 ~ 1/16/2012 4:57:55 PM ~ Corsi Certainly the ones that are strugglying with Mental Health issues 3:12:57 ~ 1/16/2012 4:58:41 PM ~ Berger The committed to viliant crimes. 3:13:34 ~ 1/16/2012 4:59:17 PM ~ Corsi I would like to go back to the Mental health and ..... All si 3:14:29 ~ 1/16/2012 5:00:13 PM ~ Nicholas If we shut down the Boys & Girls schools today, do we have options. What Co-chair's Bergerts would there be asking 3:16:33 ~ 1/16/2012 5:02:17 PM ~ Nicholas: How does our investment reflect on these kids Is this a brand new population 3:17:57 ~ 1/16/2012 5:03:41 PM ~ Corsi: Youth Treatment is youth that dropped out of public school but still would like to graduate. They are working to change this a little Bit 3:19:28 ~ 1/16/2012 5:05:12 PM ~ Nicholas or were they getting miss aligned diognosis 3:20:14 ~ 1/16/2012 5:05:58 PM ~ Peterson: I wouldn't want the there. That is my point. Place these youth in the proper place 3:21:38 ~ 1/16/2012 5:07:21 PM ~ Berger We have these modern facilities to serve our youth. We need to look at that. Do we have the experts to run I like the educational component of the girls school. Are the judges adjuticating corectlly? 3:24:10 ~ 1/16/2012 5:09:53 PM ~ Corsi I don't know if that has happen or not. 3:24:40 ~ 1/16/2012 5:10:24 PM ~ Pedersen: I see where you are going with this. None of youth are targeted for this program. The real savings is not choosing one school over another. It is getting these kids out of school............ 3:26:52 ~ 1/16/2012 5:12:35 PM ~ NIcholas We have the Boys Home lobbying for 13 mill. but needs are going down Another way is let the money to where the needs are at. You can't say Nursing homes, we are going to fund you and the same with Hospice. The new hospice will cause the nursing home population go down. 3:29:33 ~ 1/16/2012 5:15:17 PM ~ Cosi Page 23 Exception Request Page 23 Was maintained by the ...... This reduction will not impact care provided Page 26 Juvenile Justice - Raise the rates to $175 The average daily count is 291 Do not add additional competition 3:33:45 ~ 1/16/2012 5:19:29 PM ~ Nicholas At what point are you protecting the current provider? 3:34:18 ~ 1/16/2012 5:20:01 PM ~ Cosi: I am a propent of capitlaism My first concern is the safety of our youth. Page ?? The department believes in the progress that the JSB have made. Page 28 Third exception request, moving on That ends the departments agency requests I can point at the additional services provided 3:37:40 ~ 1/16/2012 5:23:23 PM ~ Nicholas What did you receive , where did they go 3:38:24 ~ 1/16/2012 5:24:08 PM ~ Berger How are you going to serve that population 3:38:45 ~ 1/16/2012 5:24:29 PM ~ Corsi Our performance should take care of that 3:39:22 ~ 1/16/2012 5:25:05 PM ~ Nicholas Page 44 3:39:33 ~ 1/16/2012 5:25:17 PM ~ Corsi Madam CoChair mentioned how pleased the girls were with their education. I have toured the facility and it is a great facility. 3:40:56 ~ 1/16/2012 5:26:40 PM ~ Nicholas: 3:41:22 ~ 1/16/2012 5:27:06 PM ~ Esquibel How 3:41:42 ~ 1/16/2012 5:27:26 PM ~ Yaksic That is an income determination determined by statute. And also by family size: 1 up to 12 or 14 3:42:37 ~ 1/16/2012 5:28:21 PM ~ Meier Welfare recepiants get a cost of living increase each year but State Employees have to fend for themselves. 3:43:38 ~ 1/16/2012 5:29:22 PM ~ Cosi This would be for midicaid. Don't know the answer, but Colorado has it in the same agency 3:44:26 ~ 1/16/2012 5:30:10 PM ~ Meier Trying to decrease the lag time between application and elligibility. 3:45:04 ~ 1/16/2012 5:30:48 PM ~ Cosi I believe it is about 12 months I believe it would require federal approval. 3:45:41 ~ 1/16/2012 5:31:25 PM ~ Nicholas Dept. of Health dectates... 3:45:58 ~ 1/16/2012 5:31:42 PM ~ Cosi: That is a good point, we don't write the plan 3:46:31 ~ 1/16/2012 5:32:15 PM ~ Meier We are right back to the same place as we were last year. Medicaid costs too much. 3:47:11 ~ 1/16/2012 5:32:55 PM ~ Cosi We will help in any way we can. 3:47:24 ~ 1/16/2012 5:33:07 PM ~ Nicholas Page 69 any questions Are we getting any benefits from it. 3:48:10 ~ 1/16/2012 5:33:53 PM ~ Corsi By 3:48:34 ~ 1/16/2012 5:34:18 PM ~ Nicholas: Page 73 Any reversions for this biennium? Next School itself Everyone recommends the expenditure of 13 mill. 3:49:53 ~ 1/16/2012 5:35:37 PM ~ Corsi Attorney General said that the only way you could you use school funds if it was associated another school district. 3:51:05 ~ 1/16/2012 5:36:49 PM ~ Nicholas I think we can do that but there is political consequences 3:51:28 ~ 1/16/2012 5:37:12 PM ~ Cosi That is a great question I don't know how long my tenure will be at family services but hopejully long enough to make a difference. 3:53:40 ~ 1/16/2012 5:39:24 PM ~ Nicholas Is there anything about the Boys Home that can't wait for another year 3:54:54 ~ 1/16/2012 5:40:38 PM ~ Jones The sum total is 1.1mill OCIO is recommending leaving ....... in the budget. 3:55:35 ~ 1/16/2012 5:41:19 PM ~ Nicholas 3:55:47 ~ 1/16/2012 5:41:31 PM ~ Jones: Yes 3:55:57 ~ 1/16/2012 5:41:41 PM ~ Nicholas That sounds like a lot of money. Are we simply reducing costs now and they will come back and bite us later? We are eliminating leasing 1.9 mill in computers. Are we going to have to pay them later 3:57:42 ~ 1/16/2012 5:43:26 PM ~ Corsi Savings from durability, ability to negotiate better rates, consortium, 3:58:19 ~ 1/16/2012 5:44:03 PM ~ Nicholas: pg 4, total reduction in 1.9, out of 400 series or not. 3:58:40 ~ 1/16/2012 5:44:24 PM ~ Corsi: amount? 3:58:47 ~ 1/16/2012 5:44:31 PM ~ Jones: amouint, reductions in 052 budget code, 3:59:03 ~ 1/16/2012 5:44:46 PM ~ Nicholas: In next biennium can meet all computer needs? 3:59:21 ~ 1/16/2012 5:45:05 PM ~ Jones: That is my understanding, funding in budget to meet leasing, will subsequently request replacement funding as all other budgets do. 3:59:50 ~ 1/16/2012 5:45:34 PM ~ Hastert: Pg 12, Was a position eliminated? Misprint? 4:00:05 ~ 1/16/2012 5:45:49 PM ~ Hastert: The full time. 4:00:20 ~ 1/16/2012 5:46:04 PM ~ Corsi: Position transferred to the Governor's office. 4:00:41 ~ 1/16/2012 5:46:24 PM ~ Hastert: Have you eliminated a deputy director's position? Is it reflected in here? 4:01:05 ~ 1/16/2012 5:46:48 PM ~ Corsi: True, not reflected. 4:01:14 ~ 1/16/2012 5:46:58 PM ~ Esquibel: Children's Health Insurance, Dept of Health tomorrow, not taking full advantage of those programs. Receive updates from Dept of Health about those programs available. 4:01:55 ~ 1/16/2012 5:47:39 PM ~ Corsi: Yes, in communication with team. 4:02:23 ~ 1/16/2012 5:48:07 PM ~ Nicholas: First budget, congratulations. 4:02:36 ~ 1/16/2012 5:48:20 PM ~ Corsi: Thank you.