File name: JAC Budget Hearings FY 13-14_20111207_073822.dcr Folder: C:\Documents and Settings\HAppropriations\Desktop\Recordings 0 ~ 12/7/2011 8:18:55 AM ~ 4 ~ 12/7/2011 8:18:58 AM ~ Game and Fish Department Agency 40, Scott Talbolt, Director 32 ~ 12/7/2011 8:19:27 AM ~ Nicholas: Good Morning 3:39 ~ 12/7/2011 8:22:34 AM ~ Talbott: Kathy Frank, Merdith Wood, Rich Reynders, John Emmerich. Primary functions conservings and poretecting and serving people for managing wildlife populations. Managing the human, phsycial and mission, inlcudes people, buildings, money and lands. Manages facilities around the state, includes offices, game hatcheries and other. Some of hte issues working on primarily focus of hunting, big mage hunting, and managing populations, Mule deer initiatives, elk management, antelope populations are stable throughout the state, and managing endangered species. Commission operates on $75 million dollars $9.9 M dollars vet services, sage grouse, aquative invasive species, and sensitive species. General funds - fist in books acquatice invasive species programs. Standatds budget $2.1 M includes budget fees received. The request for Governor, cut sage grouse amount. Oriignal proposal a 3% bidget program. 9:38 ~ 12/7/2011 8:28:33 AM ~ Nicholas: Difficulty of gaining sense of where overall agency is. We would have received historic information on licenses and revenues. We are not getting report on revenuse and ot your side of the budget. Were you aware of request for one complete copy. 10:48 ~ 12/7/2011 8:29:43 AM ~ Talbott: Yes 10:53 ~ 12/7/2011 8:29:48 AM ~ NicholasL: Show trends in licenses and revenues and we will want to receive this infformation 11:18 ~ 12/7/2011 8:30:13 AM ~ Talbott: Commission budget is annual. It happens in April. The budget has to be approved in July. What legislative issues come up can promulgate accordingly. 12:01 ~ 12/7/2011 8:30:55 AM ~ Kathy: LSO has that shows the 10 year for the department. 12:27 ~ 12/7/2011 8:31:22 AM ~ Berger: Handout number 24. 12:36 ~ 12/7/2011 8:31:31 AM ~ Nicholas: Take us throught 24 12:50 ~ 12/7/2011 8:31:45 AM ~ Kathy: Information requested some information on general outside of whats in budget package and commisssion program. The first hnadout and requested of all agencies inclusde listing of all contracts and what expended out. It lists what for, how much spent and who they were with. Second handout lists all of the grant funds that are funded-- sage grouse and sensitive species progran. Third handout is list of FTE from general funds. Shows history of 5 programs from inception for permanent and AWAC positions. Most of these are season working 1-6 months. Next handouts lists Commission funding. Lists funds and show information on cash basis, revenue from 2003-2011 and projections ffor 2012 and 2013. License revenue is decreasing, none -resident deer and fishing. They are seeing reducitons in Federal funds. 16:30 ~ 12/7/2011 8:35:25 AM ~ Nicholas: Drop of f for nonredisdent fees. 16:48 ~ 12/7/2011 8:35:43 AM ~ 16:53 ~ 12/7/2011 8:35:47 AM ~ Talbott: Deer populations are declining and changes in habitat, weather, predation. 17:36 ~ 12/7/2011 8:36:31 AM ~ Nichlas: Given revenue source. If habitat should know where issues are. Should know that. Do you have a chroncile of obstacles. 18:08 ~ 12/7/2011 8:37:03 AM ~ Talbott: We are dealing with specifics, mule deer winter range and doing signitficant work in habitat. We have Wyomingy range and Platte Valley mule deer. Habitat programs and hunting season. Have done millions of dollars in Habitat. 19:20 ~ 12/7/2011 8:38:15 AM ~ Nicholas: On one hand we turn revenues over to yuo. We depende on you to raise revenues to operate. Hoping that there is a layout. This areas is wehre problem and this what we need to do. We have great interest in keeping sales up. 20:11 ~ 12/7/2011 8:39:06 AM ~ Talbott: Strategic habitat plan and regional priorities, we can provide. 20:29 ~ 12/7/2011 8:39:24 AM ~ Nicholas: Helpful to know remediation. Do you have identified by numbers and what is happending. Do you have by area and by numbers to keep track by herd counts 21:25 ~ 12/7/2011 8:40:20 AM ~ Talbott: Keep track and BLM and US Forest Services and Land Management. Wildlife management is not like hhyerd management. More difficult with wildlife than with agrincultureal herd. 22:19 ~ 12/7/2011 8:41:14 AM ~ Nicholas: Receiving generic information. Is hunting, access promoted or conservation. He wants to know more about lowere income and why it is lower. Is it something can do about it. 23:19 ~ 12/7/2011 8:42:14 AM ~ Talbott: Field people in areas of game management when populations are high they facilititate access. Hunter coordination posiition to facilitiate private land hunting and harvest. 24:04 ~ 12/7/2011 8:42:59 AM ~ Berger: how about exccemptions have an imapct of fees garenderd. 24:26 ~ 12/7/2011 8:43:20 AM ~ Talbott: It helps with recruitment. 24:33 ~ 12/7/2011 8:43:28 AM ~ Nicholas: When see that revenues are dropping when hope for sustatining so can take to members to show why having revenue declines. If can't affortd to do operations by your self, you have a $30 M increase in revenues. 25:29 ~ 12/7/2011 8:44:24 AM ~ CKathy: The introduction of preference... only had for past 5 years. It was a major revenue enhancement. Federal funds curtailed. Most federal funds come from excise tax expected to be down oover 10-15% next years. 26:47 ~ 12/7/2011 8:45:41 AM ~ Nicholas: Do you hjave a corresponding charty show increases in funds. 27:05 ~ 12/7/2011 8:46:00 AM ~ Harshman: Looking at projections that were going at clip and now going off the cliff. Is this first negative projection. Fe 27:45 ~ 12/7/2011 8:46:40 AM ~ Kathy: Federal funds and preference points had increases. 28:09 ~ 12/7/2011 8:47:04 AM ~ Harshman: Many times we encourage ... 28:23 ~ 12/7/2011 8:47:18 AM ~ Kathy: They have been reasonably close 2-3% with revenue. 28:45 ~ 12/7/2011 8:47:40 AM ~ Berger: Could you provide data electronically. 29:10 ~ 12/7/2011 8:48:05 AM ~ Frank: we can do. 29:18 ~ 12/7/2011 8:48:13 AM ~ Steward: Sources of interest income 29:30 ~ 12/7/2011 8:48:24 AM ~ FRank: All funds invested by Teasurere's Office. It is part of the pool that we received 30:03 ~ 12/7/2011 8:48:58 AM ~ Steward: Is interest part of revenue stream, do you have endowments. 30:33 ~ 12/7/2011 8:49:28 AM ~ Frank: All the intererest we can expend except lifetime fund with a coprus fund $4M. Wildlife fund is inviolate and has $24M off top of her head. 31:16 ~ 12/7/2011 8:50:10 AM ~ Franks: Those license are either free or sold at reduced prices such as youth license, there is an appropirate that goes to state auditor. That moeny goes back to the department. 32:09 ~ 12/7/2011 8:51:03 AM ~ Von Flaatern: 32:16 ~ 12/7/2011 8:51:11 AM ~ Nicholas: The auditors office has exception request for that. He thinks the explanation for setaside fund. 32:53 ~ 12/7/2011 8:51:48 AM ~ Franks: Amount of appropriation remaining, the amount was $60K increase less. Havent seen reduction in license for youth or pioneer licenses 33:36 ~ 12/7/2011 8:52:31 AM ~ Nicholas: Have your provided a breakdown have ohow going out 33:49 ~ 12/7/2011 8:52:44 AM ~ Frank: Use for special projects 33:57 ~ 12/7/2011 8:52:52 AM ~ Nicholas: Have youth, governors licenses 34:08 ~ 12/7/2011 8:53:03 AM ~ Franks: Can provide breakdwon for 5 years 34:23 ~ 12/7/2011 8:53:17 AM ~ Nicholas: Expalin how esxcise tax works 34:34 ~ 12/7/2011 8:53:28 AM ~ Frnaks: Excise tax on hunting and fishing equimenta nd motor boast. 34:49 ~ 12/7/2011 8:53:44 AM ~ Nicholas: So it is just a forcast 35:57 ~ 12/7/2011 8:54:51 AM ~ Wallis: I'm interested in the macro of the broader issues in the world that are happening in the world 36:40 ~ 12/7/2011 8:55:34 AM ~ Talbott: We are selling all the licenses that we are issuing. Colorado is declining, Idaho is also declining is sales. This is just do to lack of interest in hunters. Wyoming has not seen the reduction as other states. 38:05 ~ 12/7/2011 8:57:00 AM ~ Wallis Are you seeing a real ratio difference from in state and out of state hunters 38:33 ~ 12/7/2011 8:57:27 AM ~ Francks: It is mostly a decline from out of state hunters 39:04 ~ 12/7/2011 8:57:59 AM ~ Meier A question about the decline are you dovetailing with tourism 39:39 ~ 12/7/2011 8:58:34 AM ~ Talbott. Yes we are 39:48 ~ 12/7/2011 8:58:43 AM ~ Harshman: Are you done with the rule making 40:16 ~ 12/7/2011 8:59:10 AM ~ Mark: No we have not began that 41:04 ~ 12/7/2011 8:59:59 AM ~ Harshman: I know that we have kids out there fishing. We want to make this pretty easy to get the kids out there fishing. 41:51 ~ 12/7/2011 9:00:45 AM ~ Mark: We have been working on that 42:10 ~ 12/7/2011 9:01:05 AM ~ Lander: Off the top of my head, I think two classes have participated 42:52 ~ 12/7/2011 9:01:46 AM ~ Esquibel: I have seen some videos about fishing but not hunting. 43:29 ~ 12/7/2011 9:02:24 AM ~ Talbott: We have just finished filming 13 episodes with kids. It will be out soon. 44:18 ~ 12/7/2011 9:03:13 AM ~ Edmonds: Cabellas has a big Wyoming display 44:50 ~ 12/7/2011 9:03:45 AM ~ 45:02 ~ 12/7/2011 9:03:57 AM ~ Meier: Walleye in Glendo. Walege stamp for fish in Glendo. Would that generate some income. Is there any interest? 46:18 ~ 12/7/2011 9:05:13 AM ~ Talbott: That is I best waleye fishery in the state. 46:56 ~ 12/7/2011 9:05:50 AM ~ Von Flatern: Go to bottom 11/12 approbreations. How does that play into this spreadsheet 47:52 ~ 12/7/2011 9:06:47 AM ~ Franks You want see those dollars untill FY 2012. There is a typo on that page. 48:40 ~ 12/7/2011 9:07:35 AM ~ Van Flatern The 09 Where is the typo 49:12 ~ 12/7/2011 9:08:07 AM ~ Nicholas: I was going to ask them to reorganize this sheet anyway. Show funding from the General Fund. Capital facilities different from the rearing station. Get that in your excel spreadsheet. 51:06 ~ 12/7/2011 9:10:01 AM ~ Franks: 51:17 ~ 12/7/2011 9:10:12 AM ~ Nicholas Table below that all general funds given to you and then we could put Obviously there would be a big spike when you built the facility. Can you provide us an FTE account? I 52:58 ~ 12/7/2011 9:11:53 AM ~ Franks It would not be difficult to go back and get the FTE's 53:23 ~ 12/7/2011 9:12:18 AM ~ Nicholas Show every 5th years That way we can seet where the additional people are being hired. 54:08 ~ 12/7/2011 9:13:03 AM ~ Franks: That was one of the projects, Call of the WIld 10 year history 2 things have happened 1 cost increase of hay 1.8 mill more than last year. Also market pay adjustments . We had 3 mill more than last year 56:04 ~ 12/7/2011 9:14:59 AM ~ Harshman Back a couple of pages Trying to follow..... is there a chart showing your funding over time. 56:52 ~ 12/7/2011 9:15:47 AM ~ Franks That is what Chairman Nicholas has asked for 57:14 ~ 12/7/2011 9:16:09 AM ~ Nicholas One bracket for your FTE, another for our FTE Pull the last two years for scientists, wardens etc. 58:28 ~ 12/7/2011 9:17:23 AM ~ Von Ftatern THis is your own revenue stream. yet you are carrying over 5 mill. How 59:08 ~ 12/7/2011 9:18:03 AM ~ Frank This is actural revenue coming in. Those 59:34 ~ 12/7/2011 9:18:29 AM ~ Von Flatern actural revenue against actueal expenses 1:00:03 ~ 12/7/2011 9:18:58 AM ~ Franks It doesn't show as part of our carry over. 1:01:04 ~ 12/7/2011 9:19:59 AM ~ Berger: Update on AIS program 1:01:22 ~ 12/7/2011 9:20:17 AM ~ Mark We have had two years of established 25 The total inspections to date. Last year we spent a little over $48,000 Last year we found musslels of 4 boats, this year 3 boats. It shows the outreach program started last year has been very succsessful. If you show up with a "wet" boat, we are going to ask you to drain it. We tryed We covered about 25% of the boat ramps. 1:05:26 ~ 12/7/2011 9:24:21 AM ~ Harshman $400,00 in tag salrs 1:05:45 ~ 12/7/2011 9:24:40 AM ~ Mark: We dudgeted 1.5 mill 1:06:11 ~ 12/7/2011 9:25:06 AM ~ Harshman The feelings I have had with these guys in the field is first class. Is the ratio between instate and out of state 1:07:12 ~ 12/7/2011 9:26:07 AM ~ Mark: It is 10 for Wyoming 30 for out of state 1:07:43 ~ 12/7/2011 9:26:38 AM ~ Exquabell Are we assessing fines? 1:08:04 ~ 12/7/2011 9:26:59 AM ~ Mark I am not familiar with the amount of fines 1:08:46 ~ 12/7/2011 9:27:41 AM ~ Berger Colaberation between the State Parks and G&Fish 1:09:12 ~ 12/7/2011 9:28:06 AM ~ MarkThe department took the lead State Parks didn't get any funds State Parks were great in their help 1:10:10 ~ 12/7/2011 9:29:05 AM ~ Meier The next outreach, what can we know that the next step is. What will the enforcement be to get that 10% down to 0 1:11:20 ~ 12/7/2011 9:30:14 AM ~ Mark We are going to be discussing that. 1:11:50 ~ 12/7/2011 9:30:44 AM ~ Nicholas :Page 10 Have you met with A&I Priority #3 Page 10-12 Gov. denied 1:12:54 ~ 12/7/2011 9:31:49 AM ~ Franks It's a new program that was an estimate we reduced down to an $800,000 estimate 1:13:46 ~ 12/7/2011 9:32:41 AM ~ Nicholas Are you meeting with TRW 1:14:08 ~ 12/7/2011 9:33:02 AM ~ Talbott We are considering expanding that program. 1:14:47 ~ 12/7/2011 9:33:42 AM ~ Nicholas Do yo thing it should be increased 1:15:02 ~ 12/7/2011 9:33:56 AM ~ Talbott Public is pretty happy with the current level 1:15:26 ~ 12/7/2011 9:34:20 AM ~ Harshman How many licenxes were sold last year. 1:15:45 ~ 12/7/2011 9:34:40 AM ~ 1:16:07 ~ 12/7/2011 9:35:01 AM ~ Talbatt The 6698 non was 5246 non was 2861 1:17:18 ~ 12/7/2011 9:36:12 AM ~ Nicholas Priority #1 Page 20 1:17:31 ~ 12/7/2011 9:36:26 AM ~ Franks Replacement of computer equipment and vehicles 1:17:57 ~ 12/7/2011 9:36:52 AM ~ Nicholas Last time we tried 1:18:22 ~ 12/7/2011 9:37:17 AM ~ Talbott Yes there is funding for brucalocous Contact all those three So we can see who has what. I would like someone to produce an entire 1:19:35 ~ 12/7/2011 9:38:30 AM ~ Johes: We can produce that. 1:19:46 ~ 12/7/2011 9:38:40 AM ~ Franks We had no exceptions $100,000 for the 2% reduction sagegrouse There are no other 1:21:13 ~ 12/7/2011 9:40:07 AM ~ Jones I'll need to check 1:21:39 ~ 12/7/2011 9:40:34 AM ~ NicholasWolf 1:21:50 ~ 12/7/2011 9:40:45 AM ~ Franks 2% reduction for the wolf's damage item. 1:22:28 ~ 12/7/2011 9:41:23 AM ~ Franks Cronic wasting diese program. $25,000 than we ask for. There were 4 captial constrution projects. Elk fence project. 1:23:49 ~ 12/7/2011 9:42:44 AM ~ Nicholas Have you maintained the same capicity of cap con. 1:24:29 ~ 12/7/2011 9:43:24 AM ~ Franks We have pretty much stayed the same overall.. We continue to major main. from our own funds. That is true. 1:25:42 ~ 12/7/2011 9:44:37 AM ~ Nicholas As we talk to TRW If you are swelling your general budget but your major maintenance stays the same. BUt as funds dry up, things will have to change. 1:27:33 ~ 12/7/2011 9:46:28 AM ~ Nicholas Maybe you have a habitat budget increasing 1:28:07 ~ 12/7/2011 9:47:01 AM ~ Nicholas Cold Storage 1:28:35 ~ 12/7/2011 9:47:30 AM ~ Berger Infa structrure 1:28:50 ~ 12/7/2011 9:47:45 AM ~ Nicholas If we are 1:29:22 ~ 12/7/2011 9:48:17 AM ~ Talbott We have met the points of agreement U.S. Fish & Wildlife are drafting language 1:30:27 ~ 12/7/2011 9:49:22 AM ~ Nicholas We hear about your capacity to acuire easements? 1:30:58 ~ 12/7/2011 9:49:53 AM ~ Talbott Most of that money comes from grants 1:31:39 ~ 12/7/2011 9:50:33 AM ~ Nicholas Do you have constraints of when you can become involved. 1:32:12 ~ 12/7/2011 9:51:07 AM ~ Nicholas Do you notify anyone, & who 1:32:30 ~ 12/7/2011 9:51:25 AM ~ Nicholas: How do those discussions come about 1:33:20 ~ 12/7/2011 9:52:14 AM ~ Mark: Joint Powers Board came to us..if we wanted to acquire water rights...their purpose was to creat an M & O fund. They came to us last , History of that is we spent better part of 2 1/2 years negotiating terms and prices, Game and Fish would take over Lake Desmet..the funding for this would be....Via contractor, modeled and used it to determine how much water was available ... about 15000 acre feet, left over 30000 feet of water for energy development or municpality use. Models are run by assumptions. With different assumptions will have different results...others disagreed with those assumptions. We will be meeting with water development, ner energy and water development. We will go back and look at the assumptions, the models and..the agreement was made public without our permission.. ..Fish and willife services who holds the excise funds must approve the language of the contracts. We had just finished..it was reeleased prematurely and caused surprise with govs office and county entities 1:39:07 ~ 12/7/2011 9:58:01 AM ~ Nicholas: Controversy with public and industrial or economic development, we require that those easements get legislative approval so they are vetted...my concern is nonvetting..people making significant decisions with long term consequences.. ...get final legislative approval 1:40:10 ~ 12/7/2011 9:59:04 AM ~ Talbott: Public input, then governor notification. On that project we had not reached that point when it was released,,,gove has... 1:40:44 ~ 12/7/2011 9:59:39 AM ~ Nicholas: Could you have approved it... 1:40:52 ~ 12/7/2011 9:59:46 AM ~ Talbot: No 1:40:55 ~ 12/7/2011 9:59:50 AM ~ Talbot: Statute 57 of rules and commission outlines that process. 1:41:09 ~ 12/7/2011 10:00:03 AM ~ Meier: Thank the dept in the efforts for deer mgt in Goshen County...starting to work in that area. in populaton control..crop loss..good with the efforts...heads up to committee on 750,000 for conversion over to 3rd phase....roto phases are a nightmare...probably not having an electrical engineer..there is a lot of problems with this type of installation, may need further discussion 1:42:37 ~ 12/7/2011 10:01:32 AM ~ Berger: Thank you for new leadership. How do you feel about the public outreach on the mule deer and community engagement? 1:43:00 ~ 12/7/2011 10:01:55 AM ~ Talbot: One of our priorities for our personnel is to engage the public, put the visit back in and a face on the dept so people know who they are...mule deer the process has gone on for yrs, Wyoming range mule deer, input from the public, hope to be equally successful in the platte valley 1:44:03 ~ 12/7/2011 10:02:58 AM ~ Berger: White tail deer population in Sheridan county, dead on the road, 1:44:27 ~ 12/7/2011 10:03:22 AM ~ Talbot: working diligently to manage to a lower level. We have two statutory proposals that should be brought before the legislature specifically to harvest white tail deer in Sheridan county 1:45:04 ~ 12/7/2011 10:03:58 AM ~ fNicholas: Otehr questions? Thank you for attendance. 1:45:19 ~ 12/7/2011 10:04:14 AM ~ Break until 10 am 2:11:23 ~ 12/7/2011 10:32:08 AM ~ 039 Wildlife and Natueral Resource Trust, Bob Budd, Director 2:12:53 ~ 12/7/2011 10:33:38 AM ~ Nicholas: Senator Roberts, glad to have you back 2:13:05 ~ 12/7/2011 10:33:50 AM ~ Roberts: Introductions of bob Budd and Christine Adams, our project manager. Wildlife and Natural Resource Trust Account Board ..discussion and concern that it was not an effectiver thing to do. Legislature approved in about 95. I was in the senate..did not run again..appointed to the Board..I love wildlife and I love Wyoming. 9 members, one from each judicial district in the state, the original bill..we follow the guidelines given, very carefully, the original bill called for ..200 million, now in neighborhood of 93 million. Many projects not funded, hope to see you increase it so that we can increase it to 200 million. The state owns the money and we use the interest. Bob Budd scrutinizes the application, then the Board goes through them and rank thems as individudals, then the board goes through them then board members go into the field and talking to the people. We want to know firsthand what the project is and the other people that will be involved. may be fish and wildlife or the stockgrowers or the elk foundation or mule foundation or trout unlimited We are a partner to the legislature...you are responsible for us. AT some point in time hopefully we can fund more applications. Wildlife is great for Wyoming. We hope to play our part to increase wildlife..people enjoy viewing the wildlife. 2:19:42 ~ 12/7/2011 10:40:27 AM ~ Nicholas: Would you give us thoughts on part of what Governor was proposing was sufficient funds to leverage federal funds...anxiety to collect those funds and securing property, taking it away from other uses. 2:20:28 ~ 12/7/2011 10:41:13 AM ~ Roberts: I am not well versed on that question. 2:20:37 ~ 12/7/2011 10:41:23 AM ~ Nicholas: How do you decide what type of easements to make sure we are not taking it out of developement and hoarding land for open spaces>.. 2:21:06 ~ 12/7/2011 10:41:52 AM ~ Roberts: We will not seize land..If we go into an area suggesting a conservation easement and there is oil or mineral development, we probably won't move forward on that because of the complications...if we go into an area and see the wildlife and the potential then more likely to fund that...very careful about the easements you are talking about..oil and gas...gets to be pretty technical Heard from legislatures about conservation easements, I and the Board are careful that the potential for develop and potential for wildlife, and if we can protect it with a lot of other entitites..we are very careful 2:23:22 ~ 12/7/2011 10:44:07 AM ~ Berger: What is an exciting project his year? 2:23:37 ~ 12/7/2011 10:44:22 AM ~ Roberts: Out of Rawlins, helped fund a wetland, the birds are unbelievable, it was just a sagebrush, once dammed and flooded, it was unbelievable 2:24:18 ~ 12/7/2011 10:45:03 AM ~ Berger: How long to develop that project? 2:24:29 ~ 12/7/2011 10:45:14 AM ~ Roberts: About one year from funding to development, water is afavorite of mine, can support water, sheep, deer, elk. Interesting burns, when trees burn, allows for other plants to come up. The forest service burns it but we participate in it. 2:25:45 ~ 12/7/2011 10:46:30 AM ~ Nicholas: Thank you and Bob 2:26:00 ~ 12/7/2011 10:46:45 AM ~ Budd: how to procede 2:26:17 ~ 12/7/2011 10:47:02 AM ~ Nicholas: WEnt back to govs rec and in narrative stated.....sage grouse, other projects and corpus, trying to project that onto your budget,,numbers do not correspond.. 2:26:53 ~ 12/7/2011 10:47:38 AM ~ Budd: The numbers in there, 6 million , slightly lessthan the average contribution from each each from legislature, about 3 million per year to supplement the interest on teh trust...more money in the trust right now...supplemental to what the interest will generate.. Chairman Roberts said reluctance for legislature to chuck the money and say go to it..agreement was to see how it operated at 2 million, 2:28:17 ~ 12/7/2011 10:49:03 AM ~ Nicholas: pg 6 10 mill and 6 mil are the top two priorities and tthe 2.8 mill is the interst. The 5 mill will be inteh AML 2:28:53 ~ 12/7/2011 10:49:38 AM ~ Budd: I am not sure. I think the 6 illion is from the AMLsd 2:29:10 ~ 12/7/2011 10:49:55 AM ~ Brett: Replacement pages distributed this morning. Corpus contribution had not been included in the numbers. The 6 million is the AML, the 5 million is the Gf 2:30:07 ~ 12/7/2011 10:50:52 AM ~ Nicholas: 6 million is AML and 5 million is GF Bob I assume you have not talked to Director Cora, Brett have you? 2:30:37 ~ 12/7/2011 10:51:22 AM ~ Brett: There has been dialogue for the AML funds being used for this prupose, not sure of legality. 2:30:59 ~ 12/7/2011 10:51:44 AM ~ Nicholas: Mechanics of AML funding, grant application to the feds for specific purposes that have been approved . Don't know if you can just say here is 6 million and will decide later, must have the projects identified and that requires an application process. so if 6 million is in 5 to 10 projects must make applications for those 5 - 10 projects. we inquired once if we could dump it in a fund and use it for various things and the answer was no. Wont know what projects will be approved in 1 1/2 year. Corpus: flip side, is that a reasonable use of the funds or can you take the money and put it into savings...need answers, may be a way to draw down the fund, may be same for the highway... Couple of things to do before the break: Do we want Corra or someone from AML to come over 2:33:48 ~ 12/7/2011 10:54:33 AM ~ Mai: Call in to DEQ for info and update on what is acceptable use for AML funds...Discussion over summer, DEQ has run into situations where the fed regs are not as tight as they thought. would like Corra and Dave findley to come over, they are scheduled for Jan.. if you wan ttot stay late one night, maybe can get them to comer over, 2:34:48 ~ 12/7/2011 10:55:33 AM ~ Nicholas" Meier: 2:34:58 ~ 12/7/2011 10:55:43 AM ~ Meier: Though part of AML funds was for sage grouse, might be able to fund some current sage grouse programs with a mineral nexus and use a fund switch to fund this 2:35:32 ~ 12/7/2011 10:56:17 AM ~ Nicholas: complexities of fund switch, issue is how much do you have and how difficult it is, easy to tell the University, used todoing it and large bloacks of money, l list of 4 areas for discussion...staff to draft budget langaual: 1. AML fund issue, what are the constraints on the fund utilization, give idea of a strategy of drawing down funds for our budget 2. School facility commisions, couple major decision, policy decdsion that need drafting 3. A & I on technology, mgt audit has put together a bill 4. local govts and fire allocation dollars and prior formulas or delve into new formulas...if we use prior... Locals will be in today, let local lobbyist talk briefly, will say some like formulas some don't, decide old language or new language 2:38:37 ~ 12/7/2011 10:59:22 AM ~ Mai: Questions: 1> Locals discussion. Did you invite the locals, neither did I. Only piece in 60 budget..no one know that is on the agenda. talk on the break 2. AML piece, asked Jim this question, given sage grouse , federal land, what type of constraints from stand point, prohibitions of using federal money to leverage federal money 2:40:04 ~ 12/7/2011 11:00:49 AM ~ Nicholas: We will hae more hearings but we have staffing constraints, will lose weeks ...if you say we are not working on those issues, need to mature....time to think about while gone..jAMl easy. School facilities..options to give directions to Dave Nelson to draft..he is in there drafting, concern is we want input in the drafting. IT AI..not sure if there are policy decision, mgt audit wants our support on that bill, Locals: If we are sticking with old forumal, just pull it off the shelf, if someone wants a total reqrite we need to know that. need exposure to the ideas. 2:42:24 ~ 12/7/2011 11:03:09 AM ~ Mai: just remind the committee that I asked the preference in Oct for Dec 2:42:45 ~ 12/7/2011 11:03:30 AM ~ Nicholas: We will have hearings on all these issues, can do through staff, not interested in hearings or people talking, want exposure to the ideas before everyone leaves, School facility: members on committte, pop out ideas at mark-up.. Towards Friday as we leave, have staff provide some information on those topics, Chariman are being exposed to this, in on discussion early 2:44:35 ~ 12/7/2011 11:05:20 AM ~ Harshamn: another topic is highways may be under AML 2:44:51 ~ 12/7/2011 11:05:36 AM ~ Berger: have not used AML for highway, need to find out how that works 2:45:06 ~ 12/7/2011 11:05:51 AM ~ Nicholas: 1. Is aml a good utilization of those fund 2. is everybody okay with that funding level....huge cuts elsewhere to put in hihgway 2:45:40 ~ 12/7/2011 11:06:25 AM ~ Berger: Mr. Mc Comie would like to give the dept of transporation preseentation that was not given last year 2:46:12 ~ 12/7/2011 11:06:57 AM ~ Nicholas: AS we wrap up Friday, have a discussion from staff, on those ideas. 2:46:33 ~ 12/7/2011 11:07:18 AM ~ Meier: Find out where the Hathaway is with the current investment is, do we need more in the corpus 2:46:53 ~ 12/7/2011 11:07:38 AM ~ Nicholas: That should come in with the Treasurers report. should have all our fund balances, michael brings the investment report with all that 2:47:27 ~ 12/7/2011 11:08:13 AM ~ Mai: Treasurer Myer is scheduled at 1:00...so should get that. Balance of ..Dawn has a report, will whittle it down and put it on thumb drive, will all be in one spot so you can look at it. 2:48:12 ~ 12/7/2011 11:08:57 AM ~ 2:48:24 ~ 12/7/2011 11:09:09 AM ~ Nicholas:; We will do fund ... 2:48:39 ~ 12/7/2011 11:09:24 AM ~ Budd: Comfortable with reduction. $10M relates to large amount of funding because WYO has taken lead in management of sage grouse. It is one time. It will accomplish $40 M on the ground. The primary facotr for listing relates to habitat fragmenetation.. Conservation easement does not prevent mineral development. Many cases when people want to do conservancy cannot do it because of mineral primacy. Oil and gas can be directed from where habitats where occur. Industry has to keep distrubance to less than %% per section. Able to accommodate except with large rural subdevelopment. Additionally do not have resources in program to handle demand for conservation easements. Bubble of opportunity. This is driven by ranch owners. They are able to shore up operations. $9M is in addition to eh corpuse Nicholas: Whats match 2:52:44 ~ 12/7/2011 11:13:29 AM ~ Budd: Match up to $30M 2:52:57 ~ 12/7/2011 11:13:42 AM ~ Budd: $40M is comfortable for spending. It is a 3 to one ratio. 2:53:36 ~ 12/7/2011 11:14:21 AM ~ Hastert: What is it with resepct to Game and Fish. They have $18.7 M for sage grouse protection and habitat. Do you work with them. 2:54:09 ~ 12/7/2011 11:14:55 AM ~ Budd: We have many partners. The money in there budget to handle personnel to work with local working groups-- biological work and project work. The Trust fund funds the project on the ground. It would come with Game and Fish, Federal... and come to them for about 20% or in some cases 50%. Other funds from partners. The other item is the operating budget. 2:55:56 ~ 12/7/2011 11:16:41 AM ~ Nicholas Understand the OICO frecommendations. 2:56:12 ~ 12/7/2011 11:16:57 AM ~ Budd: Yes 2:56:19 ~ 12/7/2011 11:17:04 AM ~ Nicholas What is balance of fund 2:56:32 ~ 12/7/2011 11:17:17 AM ~ Budd: $93 is the balance. Corpus is in the cash fund. 2:57:14 ~ 12/7/2011 11:17:59 AM ~ Nicholas: Rate of interest. 2:57:23 ~ 12/7/2011 11:18:08 AM ~ Budd: Rate is around 4%. 2:57:35 ~ 12/7/2011 11:18:20 AM ~ 2:57:37 ~ 12/7/2011 11:18:22 AM ~ Jones: This is approximaelty 3.2% rate of return 2:57:53 ~ 12/7/2011 11:18:38 AM ~ Nicholas: Talk about position increase. 2:58:20 ~ 12/7/2011 11:19:05 AM ~ Budd: Position swept back from 10 % reduction. The governor had someone to place and position moved from the Dept. of Health 2:59:02 ~ 12/7/2011 11:19:47 AM ~ Mier: Trust fund is savings account. How build it up faster. 2:59:20 ~ 12/7/2011 11:20:05 AM ~ Budd: would gladly accept. I think the issue out there is a number of people to fund to take out of general appropriations. Board is cimpletely comfortable. Appropriations would go to zero. 3:00:33 ~ 12/7/2011 11:21:18 AM ~ Mier: If appropirations go to zero we would save moeny with no general fund appropriation. 3:01:01 ~ 12/7/2011 11:21:46 AM ~ BuddL Agree 3:01:08 ~ 12/7/2011 11:21:53 AM ~ Nicholas: Questions. If we leveraage the fund for the conservation easement. Folks in Freemont County with private land and then a lot of people spending time to make it difficult for minerals to get access. How assure we promote devellopment and habitat. 3:02:27 ~ 12/7/2011 11:23:12 AM ~ BuddL There is a misconception on what an easement can do. Minerals have primacy. An easement cannot be used to block development allowed by law. When we do site visit, we get into every aspect of mineral potentional;;; If development high won't develop it. Language in statute shalll allow to proceed. AG reviews every easement. Board is touch in its review. Example of where there was not clean report so change in plan for easement. Very judicisou in watching uot for interest. bulk of easement where not a lot of mineral work going on and habitat exists. Easements investment in agriculture and tourism. Loss is poorly thought out subdivision. alll easements not funded. 3:06:20 ~ 12/7/2011 11:27:05 AM ~ Berger: Coorado troubes with management of open spaces. How take into account for planning. 3:06:42 ~ 12/7/2011 11:27:27 AM ~ Budd: The landowner right to give up development right for agriculture or habitat. There is not ability to trade them. He doesn't know any market value. We do not have system in state. 3:07:35 ~ 12/7/2011 11:28:20 AM ~ Berger: NRCS fundiing that is still available to leverage. How can look at utilitizing 3:08:04 ~ 12/7/2011 11:28:49 AM ~ Budd: How to prioritize. Four landowners want to do easements. The land area is enormous. This would be a priority for space to support species, quality of habitat, and commitment of landowner. If it comes doewn to abilityt to 12 0r 15. Best 12. 3:09:25 ~ 12/7/2011 11:30:10 AM ~ Berger: How look at success of sage grouse project 3:09:37 ~ 12/7/2011 11:30:22 AM ~ Budd: Comes down to numbers. We were on trend of decline for sagre grouse. Five years ago gflattened now starting to go back up. Habitat componet matches with habitat. ... 3:10:55 ~ 12/7/2011 11:31:40 AM ~ Steward: Work with offsite mitigation banks -- wind turbines. 3:11:20 ~ 12/7/2011 11:32:05 AM ~ Budd: Opportunties are great. Learned from Jonah and industry plus people in local communities. Don't have mitigation dollars for that purpose. Always look for nexus of species - money spent with species locally. If create avoidance of problem then don' have a problem. Industry good to work with and Fish and Wildlife find correct. If never get another mitigation dollar by avoiding the conflict that is what we need to do. 3:13:20 ~ 12/7/2011 11:34:05 AM ~ Nicholas: Thank you. 3:13:29 ~ 12/7/2011 11:34:14 AM ~ Rogers: Met with every county in the state. We will notify you and have you come to the meeting to scrutizine the project. 3:13:54 ~ 12/7/2011 11:34:40 AM ~ NicholasState Engineer. Agency 037 3:14:11 ~ 12/7/2011 11:34:56 AM ~ Nicholas: Mr. Tyreell and LaBonde 3:17:16 ~ 12/7/2011 11:38:01 AM ~ Tyreell: LaBonde, Winders introduced. Where to start 3:17:47 ~ 12/7/2011 11:38:33 AM ~ Tyrrell 900 series expenditures are on three pages starting with 900 sereis. These are prepared with 0100 being administrative. Small expenditures in that group. Position movements and used contract instead for web dfevelopment. AG office for filing fees. Total expenditure for 0100 is $6K. Moving 0200 expenditures is largely for GIS Cooperative Programs. Did have contrac to Nabora. Total expendutres for $750K for ground water division. 3:21:25 ~ 12/7/2011 11:42:11 AM ~ Nicholas 3:21:31 ~ 12/7/2011 11:42:16 AM ~ Tyreelll: He is lookin at snow survey physical. They coorinate with NRCS. To be certified have to have the physcial. 0300 series is Surface Water. Contract with Dowell ... to finsih their project. 3:22:45 ~ 12/7/2011 11:43:31 AM ~ Nicholas: Where is cloud seeding 3:23:09 ~ 12/7/2011 11:43:54 AM ~ Tyrrell: It is in water development. 3:23:26 ~ 12/7/2011 11:44:11 AM ~ Mier: Any reversions or money remaining from prior appropriations. 3:23:48 ~ 12/7/2011 11:44:33 AM ~ Tyrrell: Expects to have reversions by end of year 3:24:15 ~ 12/7/2011 11:45:00 AM ~ Tyrrell: Per employee levels inclused 12 AWACS and 24 part-time. As you go forward some seasonal moved to full time. AWECs largely gone away. Over the years some of these converted to full or partime. Currently only 1 AWEC 3:25:26 ~ 12/7/2011 11:46:11 AM ~ Nicholas: Expecting a big jump in IT 3:25:38 ~ 12/7/2011 11:46:23 AM ~ Tyrrell: Had a couple in 2007-2008. Gave one back 3:25:58 ~ 12/7/2011 11:46:44 AM ~ Nicholas: Where are with project. 3:26:13 ~ 12/7/2011 11:46:58 AM ~ Tyrrell: Can search for water rights, popyulate legal right, GIS data, apply for water rights. Process permits in house. We have more to get to 100%. We have found that changing water rights system it takes a while to get to use it. We are getting there. 3:27:50 ~ 12/7/2011 11:48:35 AM ~ Nicholas: Questions on staffing? 3:28:06 ~ 12/7/2011 11:48:51 AM ~ Tyrrell: Move to budget and exception request as submitted. On page 9 of primary budget document. He did originally submit 3 budget positions. Concerns about coverage. Tried to cover through reprogramming. The sistuaion we find ourselves in with retirements... our service expectation still out there. Reprogramming items still on table- overtime dollars. We will cut quite a bit overtime dollars. 0100 dollars have come back to budget. Have some budget for Montana allegiations. Discovery only starting now. Dueling motions have occurred in last 4 years. Beleive prevail on claim by Montana. There is discovery going forward. He feels comfortable that some money will come bakc 3:32:28 ~ 12/7/2011 11:53:13 AM ~ Mier: We had a good update from Select Water. Can flesh out 5 B claime. 3:33:00 ~ 12/7/2011 11:53:45 AM ~ Tyrrell: On 5 B claim (refere to articles on Yellowstone compact. They have fought has 5A but now Montanca has allso made claim on 5 B. 3:34:06 ~ 12/7/2011 11:54:51 AM ~ Mier: Get into same thing as with Nebraska 3:34:21 ~ 12/7/2011 11:55:06 AM ~ Tyrrell: May. Groundwater is intial allegation. questyion yet to be decided is what is hydroligically connected. 3:35:04 ~ 12/7/2011 11:55:49 AM ~ Tyrrell: Last three items on page 9 for coal bed natural gas permits have gone down. On sruface water side there are 9000 series dollars that can go back to kitty. On item d. they have reprogram OM&R dollars. They will have 350 sensors gauging data. 3:36:55 ~ 12/7/2011 11:57:41 AM ~ Tyrrelll: Now go through exception item. First is described on page 21. Groundwater is an area where lost positions. Request for one position .. Niabora shale keeping them busy. Want to manage additional work. Position not approved. 3:38:21 ~ 12/7/2011 11:59:06 AM ~ Nicholas: Your an agency we've promoted IT development. As see OCIO position, can provide services with consolidation of services. 3:39:03 ~ 12/7/2011 11:59:48 AM ~ Tyrrell. Some of IT professional for servers and software. Primary question about consolidation will someone understand hardware and software problem that we have. Discussion contiinuing with Waters. 3:39:59 ~ 12/7/2011 12:00:45 PM ~ Nicholas: Expectation that your expertise would filter out. His request is that litmus test for how it works under consolidation so that quality is maintained and service is extended out. Don't know AG office model extends to their office. We are committed that you provide the services. If can provide better service with consolidation. Hope you try to make it work right. 3:41:52 ~ 12/7/2011 12:02:37 PM ~ Tyrrell.: Trying to make ti work. Next exception items on page 22 for North Platte coordinator. Timing unlucky so hiring restrictions for daily accounting coordinator. This one also not allowed. Hamstrings person who isintended to be Assistant Superintendent. 3:44:03 ~ 12/7/2011 12:04:48 PM ~ Mier: Any of that can be put into automated form or enhancement to make more efficient. Doesn't know what have in field 3:44:39 ~ 12/7/2011 12:05:24 PM ~ Tyrrell: Essentially is automated. What position does, a lot of numbers generated every day... its a daily balancing. It is human work to review -- trust but verify. Data is automated. 3:45:49 ~ 12/7/2011 12:06:34 PM ~ Tyrrell: Next itme on Page 38. Request for position in water division 3 that needs to become full time from part time. Backstopping requires 300-400 houses a year. The position was not improved. 3:47:31 ~ 12/7/2011 12:08:16 PM ~ Nicholas: What if approved with no funding 3:47:42 ~ 12/7/2011 12:08:27 PM ~ Tyrrell: He will look at that option. 3:48:20 ~ 12/7/2011 12:09:05 PM ~ Tyrrell.: IT replacement replacement cycle request so that everything is coming due to replace Will go forward with waterever granted to the agency. 3:49:40 ~ 12/7/2011 12:10:25 PM ~ Tyrrell: Next item pn page 49 for E-Permit Maintenace_ Software Licensing. These dollars for approval based on review with OCIO. 3:50:30 ~ 12/7/2011 12:11:15 PM ~ Mier: Page 50. E-Permit to permti water rights. 3:50:50 ~ 12/7/2011 12:11:36 PM ~ Tyrrell: Ongoing request to support e_permitting database for enhancements 3:51:17 ~ 12/7/2011 12:12:02 PM ~ Mier: Yes... 3:51:25 ~ 12/7/2011 12:12:10 PM ~ Mier: May need to look at fee structure. Everyone is getting a great deal at cost of rest of the budget. Would like an analysis. Try to be self-sustaining agency. 3:52:06 ~ 12/7/2011 12:12:51 PM ~ Berger: Microform digitizing conversation . Whre are you at with preservations 3:52:35 ~ 12/7/2011 12:13:20 PM ~ LaBonde: Originally llooking at 6-8 years to scan. Most in microform. Have around 100K Maps that are being handled through contract. Lost one scanning position willl expect another 6-8 years to complete project. 3:53:49 ~ 12/7/2011 12:14:34 PM ~ Berger: Could retirment use in nightshift 3:54:02 ~ 12/7/2011 12:14:47 PM ~ Nicholas: As producing new documents are you creating a backup. 3:54:20 ~ 12/7/2011 12:15:05 PM ~ LaBonde: Whether paper or electronic, bring into epermit system to become electronic and it goes through a review process. Once approved it is captured in scanned image and it is sent to database. We will use scanned image into the future. Working with Archives the standard preservation is microform and then move to storage for the State. It is not part of their working system. 3:56:00 ~ 12/7/2011 12:16:45 PM ~ Nicholas: Why are they creating microform> 3:56:16 ~ 12/7/2011 12:17:01 PM ~ LaBonde: Not certain that the format of the digiital image be able to be read in 20 years. .. 3:57:01 ~ 12/7/2011 12:17:46 PM ~ Nicholas: What do other states do? Is backing up on microform a real benefit. Do you perceive a benefit. 3:57:37 ~ 12/7/2011 12:18:22 PM ~ LaBonde: For some of the daily correspondence it is a hold habit. For historically significant documents it is important to have in a stable format. Not doing a good job of separating. 3:58:29 ~ 12/7/2011 12:19:14 PM ~ Nicholas: Have agency complaint about microforms. Where do we come up with 150 years. 3:59:01 ~ 12/7/2011 12:19:46 PM ~ LaBonde: Believe it relates to how it is handled. For day to day usage are they damaged or lost. Quality goes back to original microforming. Couldn't comment on longevity of microforms. 3:59:59 ~ 12/7/2011 12:20:44 PM ~ Tyrrell: Next items in page 59 for Platte River Recovery Implementation Program. In time to rope in compliance with existing staff and contract dollars. As a major program have attempted to and Mr. Chairman Page77 to add His office is in Riverton and does a lot of work in the field. Some fees to examination costs That concludes the review of our exception items. 4:03:23 ~ 12/7/2011 12:24:08 PM ~ Jones Would the committee like some discussion on 4:03:53 ~ 12/7/2011 12:24:38 PM ~ Tyrrell On the front of your book should be a sheet about the reductions. In my view, continuing to cut where we are already short, will be painful. It would be elemination of overtime money, interference dollars, one position is still frozen. $103,000 supply funding for instream flow would be eliminated. When we go to 5 & 8% we go into position reductions 4:07:13 ~ 12/7/2011 12:27:58 PM ~ Nicholas If we impiment the changes over time, say 4% reduction over time. Would that be any easier. 4:08:02 ~ 12/7/2011 12:28:47 PM ~ Tyrrell We would still be looking at personell. There will be some restructuring 4:08:52 ~ 12/7/2011 12:29:37 PM ~ Meier Most of that reduction is over in my district. 4:09:37 ~ 12/7/2011 12:30:22 PM ~ Nicholas Any other questions 4:10:03 ~ 12/7/2011 12:30:48 PM ~ Tyrrell We were just trying to be as honest as we can. 4:10:34 ~ 12/7/2011 12:31:19 PM ~ Meier You are one of the few agencies that have ask for IT dollars and have a product to show for it.