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9 ~ 1/14/2011 8:11:59 AM ~ Game and Fish Department
26 ~ 1/14/2011 8:12:16 AM ~ Farrell: Introductions: Steve Farrell, Kathy Frank, Richard Reynders, Mark Fowden Hot topics: 1. Endangered species issues 2. Brucellousis 3. Sage Grouse 4. Wind Energy 5. Elk 6. Aquatic Invasive species - biggest Effectiveness of program - 3 month season in wyoming Nicholas
5:49 ~ 1/14/2011 8:17:39 AM ~ Nicholas: copies of your budget
6:28 ~ 1/14/2011 8:18:18 AM ~ Kathy: Executive summary
6:47 ~ 1/14/2011 8:18:37 AM ~ Nicholas: Need feel for total budget. Historically operated from collections of selling licenses. Change in policy
8:34 ~ 1/14/2011 8:20:25 AM ~ Farrell: Department has operated on user fees. Excise taxes on equipment. 2006 first general fund
9:25 ~ 1/14/2011 8:21:15 AM ~ Kathy: 2004 first capital construction funding 2006 requested funding for sage grouse at request of Governor's office Debt services program...chronic wasting disease..1 yr funding 2007-2008 Received biennial appropriation 2009-2010 Two programs added - Wolf mgt cut back in the second year Last session: funding for one year for startup of aquatic invasive species program, funding state building fund - building projects
12:51 ~ 1/14/2011 8:24:42 AM ~ Nicholas: Cheyenne Headquarters construction
13:10 ~ 1/14/2011 8:25:00 AM ~ Kathy: Nicholas: Licensing fees?
13:28 ~ 1/14/2011 8:25:19 AM ~ Kathy: stable, inflationary increase, decline in fishing area, decline from late 80's and 90's
14:17 ~ 1/14/2011 8:26:07 AM ~ Nicholas: 80's and 90's ..discuss
14:36 ~ 1/14/2011 8:26:26 AM ~ Farrell: Cause of decline was crashes in deer and antelope population Fishing falling off - nondaily, nonresident
15:29 ~ 1/14/2011 8:27:19 AM ~ Nicholas: Price increases?
15:37 ~ 1/14/2011 8:27:27 AM ~ Ferrell: Non-resident daily is $12, .. with annual need conversation stamp
16:19 ~ 1/14/2011 8:28:09 AM ~ Nicholas: price point
16:26 ~ 1/14/2011 8:28:16 AM ~ Ferrell: resistance to price increase
16:50 ~ 1/14/2011 8:28:40 AM ~ Nicholas: Merchants, equipment?
17:03 ~ 1/14/2011 8:28:53 AM ~ Kathy: broader perspective, sport fish restoration, increase in federal funding, excise tax, slight decline for last 2 years, decline in equip
17:46 ~ 1/14/2011 8:29:36 AM ~ Berger Von Flatern: Quantity of licenses?
18:02 ~ 1/14/2011 8:29:53 AM ~ Frank: Stable vol. ....license revenue increased
18:42 ~ 1/14/2011 8:30:33 AM ~ Von Flatern: 09 budget 61 million....In 09 did you not have state funding in there?
19:17 ~ 1/14/2011 8:31:07 AM ~ Kathy: In 09 and 10 we had funding budget on annual in department
19:47 ~ 1/14/2011 8:31:37 AM ~ Hastert: Licenses are annual....no pro ration?, implications, discussion, interest in partial year
20:52 ~ 1/14/2011 8:32:42 AM ~ Farrell: no in wyoming...revenue improvement unknown, vast majority of states do not
21:22 ~ 1/14/2011 8:33:12 AM ~ Hastert: Day to day annual ..example June to June
21:38 ~ 1/14/2011 8:33:28 AM ~ Farrell: Problems with that type licensing are reporting to federal system for excise taxes, confuses reporting for fed aid dollars
22:11 ~ 1/14/2011 8:34:01 AM ~ Frank: only affect certain licenses Federal funds ..25% revenue require report on 12 month..dollars and numbers..difficulty of reporting
22:49 ~ 1/14/2011 8:34:39 AM ~ Farrell: Pg 3 Supplemental budget request Aquatic invasive species program - largest, most complicated Pg 7 - dept priorities Pg 10_ detail on aquatic invasive species - request for 15 months...emergency rule making last year Page 11 - More detail on construct of last year's programj 1.5 million last year appropriated, spent more, 22000 hours of time spent AIS program funded and traditional funded people 30 seasonal employees, needed field supervision 10 1/2 FTE's expended on program in 5 months 5 FTE's department employees Game and fish dept employees can not provide in 2nd year Credibility of program at stake Executive Recommendation - decrease in program - capacity can not be leveraged so scale back that portion, field supervision missing..requires 4 new FTE FTE Freeze in legislature
28:39 ~ 1/14/2011 8:40:29 AM ~ Nicholas: requests a final spreadsheet of how you spent money last year as to employees. tell about staffing..green shirt, red shirt, Did part time employees wear guns like peace officers? Need better understanding of how program is running.
29:45 ~ 1/14/2011 8:41:35 AM ~ Farrell: no use of peace officers...only time would be normal duties No examples of law and enforcement .... Boater without decal, game warden had available for sale
30:43 ~ 1/14/2011 8:42:33 AM ~ Nicholas: Full time employees out of stations to help..explain
30:58 ~ 1/14/2011 8:42:48 AM ~ Farrell: primarily fish mgt personnel
31:13 ~ 1/14/2011 8:43:03 AM ~ Nicholas: pulled FTE s out, activity when? why can't you continue to use biologiests, detriment
31:37 ~ 1/14/2011 8:43:28 AM ~ Berger: breakdown on page 9?
31:46 ~ 1/14/2011 8:43:36 AM ~ Farrell: Pg 12 is best breakdown of personnel time, fish management ...biologists Can not do both..40 hr a week employees , try not to run hours over the 200hrs per year, at capacity with current job description Pg 13: items not finished/addressed
33:38 ~ 1/14/2011 8:45:29 AM ~ Nicholas: probablility of shifting to user fees?
33:53 ~ 1/14/2011 8:45:43 AM ~ Farrell: user fee this year..$5 and $10 for resident, nonmotorized or motorized, nonresident 3 times that price No baseline data--estimate 700,000, generated 435,000
35:02 ~ 1/14/2011 8:46:52 AM ~ Nicholas:Fines are say $5 or $10 if everyone pays with credit card and some are paid cash. They ones that are paying cash are paying more. The tax payers should not be funding the credity card expense.
38:10 ~ 1/14/2011 8:50:00 AM ~ Kathy We will look into that.
38:28 ~ 1/14/2011 8:50:18 AM ~ Nicholas You are not the only department that we have had this discussion with.
39:02 ~ 1/14/2011 8:50:53 AM ~ Kathy Our limited quata fees do have an application fee. The reduction of manpower is offset by the use of credit cards.
40:43 ~ 1/14/2011 8:52:33 AM ~ Nicholas Check with the status. Is it legal
41:18 ~ 1/14/2011 8:53:08 AM ~ Berger Have you done a study to see what percentage is credit card usage
41:45 ~ 1/14/2011 8:53:35 AM ~ Kathy about 75%
41:56 ~ 1/14/2011 8:53:46 AM ~ Rich Yes, that is correct
42:16 ~ 1/14/2011 8:54:06 AM ~ Berger Decrease usage stations based on useage in the area?
42:48 ~ 1/14/2011 8:54:39 AM ~ Farrell Several waters won't be covered at all if we don't use supervisors. We came up with a boatramp matrix. It was more like a 12 - 14 hour day, not 24 hour day.
44:41 ~ 1/14/2011 8:56:31 AM ~ Berger
44:48 ~ 1/14/2011 8:56:38 AM ~ Farrell We hope the public will be aware of potential areas that might support the organism. That covers the AIF's
45:58 ~ 1/14/2011 8:57:48 AM ~ Steward Request for employeess I don't see that profiled
46:33 ~ 1/14/2011 8:58:24 AM ~ Kathy Page 15 That is the one perm. employee authorized last year.
47:14 ~ 1/14/2011 8:59:04 AM ~ Kathy 29 parttime, 1 full time.
47:42 ~ 1/14/2011 8:59:33 AM ~ Cox We just had to manually enter it.
48:08 ~ 1/14/2011 8:59:59 AM ~ Steward
48:14 ~ 1/14/2011 9:00:04 AM ~
48:20 ~ 1/14/2011 9:00:10 AM ~ Steward The print out shows the startup costs. I don't understand why you have to reduce
49:30 ~ 1/14/2011 9:01:20 AM ~ Farrell To supervise those temp employees. Only 22 of the 29 will be doing inspections. The appropriation is similar to last year minus the capital start up funds.
51:31 ~ 1/14/2011 9:03:21 AM ~ Farrell Cap Con projects Wigwam Hatchery Water disinfection system.
52:57 ~ 1/14/2011 9:04:47 AM ~ Nicholas As we pick up expenses, is your operation continuing the same.
53:44 ~ 1/14/2011 9:05:34 AM ~ Farrell These are things that we could not ever been able to do. Hatcharies are another good example.
54:46 ~ 1/14/2011 9:06:36 AM ~ Kathy We used to have 350 employees, now we have 423(?) The majority of growth has been permanent positions. New programs create additional positions.
56:28 ~ 1/14/2011 9:08:18 AM ~ Nichols We would like to see a chart of capital constructione. Are those frozen positions permanent
57:21 ~ 1/14/2011 9:09:12 AM ~ Farrell Our intent is that they would remain frozen during the bianneum.
57:58 ~ 1/14/2011 9:09:49 AM ~ Kathy. We have 2 of the 10
58:14 ~ 1/14/2011 9:10:04 AM ~ Farrell There is some pretty critical positions
58:49 ~ 1/14/2011 9:10:39 AM ~ Nicholas During markup, we will talk about keeping those positions frozed
59:38 ~ 1/14/2011 9:11:29 AM ~ Cox We can reduce the number of positions
1:00:22 ~ 1/14/2011 9:12:12 AM ~ Nicholas These are the positions we said we were going to release. If the needs change, can we just change positions around. If they are vacant positions
1:02:23 ~ 1/14/2011 9:14:13 AM ~ Cox That is where our office would come into play. If there was a program authorized
1:03:05 ~ 1/14/2011 9:14:55 AM ~ Nicholas I'm relectant to let angencies to float positions around.
1:03:40 ~ 1/14/2011 9:15:30 AM ~ Cox We require that also. WE do that in the biannual report. or supplemental budget
1:04:32 ~ 1/14/2011 9:16:22 AM ~ NIcholas
1:04:57 ~ 1/14/2011 9:16:47 AM ~ Mai I believe the positions are on the commission portion of their budget.
1:05:30 ~ 1/14/2011 9:17:20 AM ~ Nicholas The Govs office directed them to cut by 10%. I don't want to forget about you guys I feel those cuts should apply to the commission side also.
1:07:23 ~ 1/14/2011 9:19:13 AM ~ Steward Wigwam Rearing Station Where is it?
1:07:53 ~ 1/14/2011 9:19:44 AM ~ Farrell Near Tensleep
1:08:07 ~ 1/14/2011 9:19:57 AM ~ Steward I remember spending money on this whirling diese before
1:08:44 ~ 1/14/2011 9:20:34 AM ~ Fowden About $600,000 A new problem, organism in the water
1:09:31 ~ 1/14/2011 9:21:21 AM ~ Steward Cap con dollars are usually one time expenses. Are this going to be going on forever.
1:10:29 ~ 1/14/2011 9:22:19 AM ~ Fowden This is in addition not in the ten year plan.
1:11:13 ~ 1/14/2011 9:23:03 AM ~ Nicholas Surface water, well water
1:11:32 ~ 1/14/2011 9:23:22 AM ~ Fowden These are Spring sources, that is why is it so puzzling Yes we have looked at those options.
1:12:31 ~ 1/14/2011 9:24:21 AM ~ Farrell Comfort Stations We are requesting funding for five of these. Refurbished 5, there are 26 more that need it. These are replacements ADA compliant.
1:14:26 ~ 1/14/2011 9:26:16 AM ~ Berger THis group are in high use areas
1:14:42 ~ 1/14/2011 9:26:32 AM ~ Farrell Public Access Upper Green River 2nd Site on New Fork By Pinedale
1:15:28 ~ 1/14/2011 9:27:18 AM ~ Farrell These don't have public access These are brand new access points
1:16:36 ~ 1/14/2011 9:28:26 AM ~ Frank One piece was just acquired
1:17:46 ~ 1/14/2011 9:29:37 AM ~ Nicholas Confort Stations That is something that I'm not sure we want to start getting included on.
1:18:46 ~ 1/14/2011 9:30:36 AM ~ Farrell The easement, there are many many parties involved in that.
1:19:19 ~ 1/14/2011 9:31:09 AM ~ Frank These easement are held in the name of Game and Fish
1:19:50 ~ 1/14/2011 9:31:40 AM ~ Steward User Fees
1:20:12 ~ 1/14/2011 9:32:02 AM ~ Farrell Yes, repost access program
1:20:34 ~ 1/14/2011 9:32:24 AM ~ Steward How does one find a list of those projects.
1:20:58 ~ 1/14/2011 9:32:49 AM ~ Farrell Access program cannot be used for construction. Fence Projects 92 miles of elk fence in conjunction with elf feed grounds. Afton area and Fremont Lake.
1:22:38 ~ 1/14/2011 9:34:28 AM ~ Nicholas Seems like you should have been planning for it
1:23:06 ~ 1/14/2011 9:34:57 AM ~ Farrell, We can keep on manitaining it but just piece meal.
1:23:59 ~ 1/14/2011 9:35:50 AM ~ Nicholas
1:24:14 ~ 1/14/2011 9:36:05 AM ~ Farrell I hasn't been
1:24:32 ~ 1/14/2011 9:36:23 AM ~ Nicholas How did you put this budget together What projects did he not support
1:25:25 ~ 1/14/2011 9:37:15 AM ~ Frank We provide you list of cap con projects we do each year.
1:26:01 ~ 1/14/2011 9:37:51 AM ~ Berger We have DEQ waiting in the lobby. We will take a five minute break.
1:27:05 ~ 1/14/2011 9:49:44 AM ~ Department of Environmental Quality
1:27:17 ~ 1/14/2011 9:49:55 AM ~ Berger: Give opening.. Committee return at 12:30
1:27:31 ~ 1/14/2011 9:50:09 AM ~ Corra: Opening remarks INtroductions: Don McKenzie, James Uzzell, Steve Dietrich, Todd Parfitt, Alllan Two pieces: Land quality; ALM Slide: Summary Supplemental Budget Request 4 full time equivelents..50.1 million for AML Mead - no money for salaries for 4 FTE
1:30:07 ~ 1/14/2011 9:52:46 AM ~ Nicholas: Mark-up- Frozen Positions, Vacancies, Pulling from vacancy pool Richard get vacancy numbers
1:31:49 ~ 1/14/2011 9:54:28 AM ~ Richard: Will get you a vacancy report as of Dec 31 4 FTE are part of the original 25 Governor has authority to move around
1:32:35 ~ 1/14/2011 9:55:14 AM ~ Nicholas
1:32:40 ~ 1/14/2011 9:55:19 AM ~ Richard
1:32:43 ~ 1/14/2011 9:55:22 AM ~ Corra: Slide- page 3 of handout BL process, support costs, contractual services Pg 4 of handout, slide land quality workload -new permit authorizatons, red curve is backlog, backlog is growing New permits and authorizatons - number of approvals has dropped Point of slides - visual
1:35:39 ~ 1/14/2011 9:58:18 AM ~ Nicholas: Time to break, Richard bring back a completed B11 form, the statute, Talk: show new FTE's given - moved into enforcement - Air quality and land quality..permit review speed..months...systemic problem,
1:38:12 ~ 1/14/2011 10:00:51 AM ~ Corra: pg 9 budget book - erroneous numbers, can provide new table
1:38:37 ~ 1/14/2011 10:01:16 AM ~ Berger: IT efficiency Return at 12:30