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13 ~ 1/18/2011 3:43:49 PM ~ tUESDAY, jANUARY 18, 2011 3:40 PM pm2 School Facilities commission and Department of Education
42 ~ 1/18/2011 3:44:17 PM ~ Nicholas: Ken has the floor, Handouts.. Select Committee Rec, Governor's rec, capacity
1:28 ~ 1/18/2011 3:45:03 PM ~ Ken Daraie: Director of SFC Supplemental budget for inflation 4 years ago..given to do list..governor, commissioners, ....to do list is completed, result is in handout Array of guidelines..quality of construction information, furniture, fixtures. Process to prioritize buildings across the state Data driven. National gatherings - Wy process is envy of these groups Procurement Process: In-state versus out-of-state: Wyoming's own set of documents Conversion of Accounting System - transparent and accessible New Web site for access and transparency Complicated: making school construction ...to functionality.. can facilitate activity..intangible feelings All work done with architects, construction contractors association, general contractor associations, and school districts collaberated. Page 1: First several set of documents produced monthly..summarized..equivalent to monthly financial statements Page 1: Overall picture of appropriations Capital construction, major maintenance... Pg 2: Operations....downward trend..coincides with deployment of dollars .. 200 million,..700 million in bank.... .. Pg 3: Major maintenance - select committee, former governor, commission...districts not deploying as much as being appropriated.. Expenditure exceeded appropriation for fiscal yr 10...will bring down balances out in the districts .. Pg 4 ..Capital Construction Detail...pg 4a... More money to appropriate than capacity to spend four years ago..out of state folks drove up costs... Now capacity exceeds ability to fund. What is the right amount to fund? We own 22 million square feet of real property..model...private entities, universiies, federal governments... Tried a simpler approach...levels of funding... Pg 4a : Analogy of trucking business ...depreciation... 323 buildings owned, average life expectency of 60 years.. Type of age distribution....10 yr increments on page..fairly evenly distributed.....intuitively replacing 5 per year...life expectency varies based on construction...districts were building with bonds..so standards of construction varied.. Average age of sq footage is 33 or 34 years. To make it to 60 yrs must do a major upgrade...mechanical systems. 22.3 miillion sq ft .. To replace would be under 16 million sq ft...bond financing had additional components Lower population in schools Replacing 10 schools every biennium... Avg cost of construction today is 208.80. Renovation cost is approx .. Inflation is associated... 2.55% rate. Economists estimated 3% when costs of construction go up Asked about increase in population...growth rates Assumption schools can absorb growth in higher grades but not lower. Current rate of growth, poulation = 250 million dollars per biennium to recapitilize our buildings Pg 4 - represents black dot on graph. Forecasting- slope of line is 2.55 % As a public entity would do well to hover around the line. If you defer maintenance you will have to catch up. Pg 5: Current status of capital construction dollars Bottom part of page is monthly report displaying monthly activity Budget to contract...Column C lower table, in bold, 3rd number from top represents current... List is shrinking..1 million plus will dribble back ...est. 4 million unobligated funds
22:58 ~ 1/18/2011 4:06:34 PM ~ Meier: Percentage increase of construction cost. approximately the same?
23:17 ~ 1/18/2011 4:06:52 PM ~ Daraie: More or less..come from same pool..labor and material costs Human resource cost can fluctuate dramatically.. Pg : Shovel ready projects: ...matrix of factors to choose type of...be flexible..implications on timing...committment that once project is funded for design..committed to see project through. Possible to fund project for planning and design in one biennium..postpone construction phase for 1 year or longer Two types of delivery methods, deisgn, bid , build is off of table if split funding.. Ex: Pinedale CMAR and design, bid, build are the two delivery methods Page 7 The amount of work that has been done during the last few years. Schools that are currently under construction 5 of them. Bids for elementry school in Gillette- opened today. That brings us to BUDGET REQUEST Last Summer, revenue was limited Economists said the inflation will start mid 2011. Next Spring Nothing left to bid. (2012) Page 10 The Gov. ask us to create a "what if" list of construction based on various income increases. We added to that projects that we knew we could get built by the end of the bienium.
36:10 ~ 1/18/2011 4:19:46 PM ~ Meier Page 10 Is it a new middle school. Who made that decision.
37:08 ~ 1/18/2011 4:20:44 PM ~ Daraie Let take Dubois for example. It is one of the few districts that is actually loosing population. This is how we
38:41 ~ 1/18/2011 4:22:16 PM ~ Dr. Lowman How to maxiamize the monies we have. The community rightfuly so should be included in that discussion.
40:31 ~ 1/18/2011 4:24:07 PM ~ Daraie We provide a facilitator tor those meetings. It stops short of determining the typw of school they need.
42:14 ~ 1/18/2011 4:25:49 PM ~ Meier Who make that decision?
42:38 ~ 1/18/2011 4:26:13 PM ~ Nicholas Look at the golden rod.. That is what is profiled. That is profiled there. Those are part of the funds....... As we look at school cap con. We have sweeps and trips. Now when you look at the amount of money that we had keyed up for construction. If you look at page 10 and compare that to page..... On page 10 there are more projects ready to go. On your Cap Com sheets. Another item is major maintenance.
47:26 ~ 1/18/2011 4:31:02 PM ~ Harshman Select Committee Think Kemmerer was going to be
48:51 ~ 1/18/2011 4:32:27 PM ~ Baraie Those projects will gone under contract at the end of the bianneum.
49:43 ~ 1/18/2011 4:33:18 PM ~ Nicholas Lets take a look at look at
50:15 ~ 1/18/2011 4:33:51 PM ~ Daraie, That shortfall is still there. Why did you recall those numbers. They are redundent.
51:26 ~ 1/18/2011 4:35:01 PM ~ Nicholas Whatever you would distribute in l
52:24 ~ 1/18/2011 4:36:00 PM ~ Daraie Page 3 You will notice in that these differences Turned out to be The efficience to deployment. The process is...... Usually project in other
55:41 ~ 1/18/2011 4:39:16 PM ~ Nicholas I can see where there was a trend where the schools were underutilising ther funds. Obviously the word got out. Would it be a good idea to Rep
57:05 ~ 1/18/2011 4:40:40 PM ~ Harshman Cap Con and Facilities Comm. are working pretty welll together
58:21 ~ 1/18/2011 4:41:57 PM ~ Meier I see a lot of demolidje, but not construction dollars.
59:17 ~ 1/18/2011 4:42:53 PM ~ Daraie At one time we seperated demo and construction were seperated. What you see are deferred demo's. NOw we marry construction and demo together.
1:01:21 ~ 1/18/2011 4:44:56 PM ~ Nicholas If we took column two If we go back to page 8 of our budget, do those add up to each other. I dont see any ansolaries on either.
1:03:00 ~ 1/18/2011 4:46:36 PM ~ Harshman That is on top of the second page.
1:03:15 ~ 1/18/2011 4:46:51 PM ~ Harshman You are looking at the governments budget.
1:03:55 ~ 1/18/2011 4:47:31 PM ~ Daraie
1:04:34 ~ 1/18/2011 4:48:10 PM ~ Nicholas That will explain the ancellaries
1:04:57 ~ 1/18/2011 4:48:33 PM ~ Mai There is a $200,000 item at the top of page
1:05:21 ~ 1/18/2011 4:48:57 PM ~ Nicholas So were OK then. By category, can you spend that way
1:05:59 ~ 1/18/2011 4:49:35 PM ~ Nicholas THe next topic I want to change to, The Gov recomended 2Mill less. Are then in the spreadsheet # 39
1:07:00 ~ 1/18/2011 4:50:35 PM ~ Daraie He was waiting to get an answer back from the Attorney General.
1:07:36 ~ 1/18/2011 4:51:11 PM ~ Nicholas I don't know if we have a spread sheet that ties in with the Govs recs? Doe that column on Page 10 tie in to page14..
1:11:01 ~ 1/18/2011 4:54:37 PM ~ Gap in record due to technical difficulties
1:11:11 ~ 1/18/2011 4:54:47 PM ~ Daraie: Today..office is at front entrance..access and security..minimal impact..interpretation of rules..
1:11:51 ~ 1/18/2011 4:55:27 PM ~ Nicholas: Committee recommended 32 million..Governor augmented.. Would your committe have agreed with the increased number?
1:12:28 ~ 1/18/2011 4:56:03 PM ~ Harshman" What part looking at? Planning and design match ...ancillary is 2.645 do not know if that adds up to the committee
1:13:19 ~ 1/18/2011 4:56:54 PM ~ Nicholas: Go through Handout 39 Plat number 1 - component ..Chairman went down list, Pg 2: Ancillaries...Design...
1:14:28 ~ 1/18/2011 4:58:03 PM ~ Harshamn: Think Governor put that in
1:14:49 ~ 1/18/2011 4:58:25 PM ~ Nicholas: won't worry about the 50...look at 50/50 on planning..capital construction projects so would add up. Question: If select committe added additional funding, is tht where you would have added it..
1:15:37 ~ 1/18/2011 4:59:12 PM ~ Harshman: Grand Total .. knocked down to 32...authorized some and did not fund
1:16:07 ~ 1/18/2011 4:59:42 PM ~ Nicholas: Reason
1:16:13 ~ 1/18/2011 4:59:49 PM ~ Harshamn: money situation
1:16:19 ~ 1/18/2011 4:59:55 PM ~ Nicholas:
1:16:23 ~ 1/18/2011 4:59:58 PM ~ fHarshman: projects ready to go
1:16:38 ~ 1/18/2011 5:00:13 PM ~ Nicholas:
1:16:43 ~ 1/18/2011 5:00:19 PM ~ Harshman: can do it
1:16:50 ~ 1/18/2011 5:00:26 PM ~ Nicholas: these are on the 2009 needs index..what was presented is the 2010
1:17:09 ~ 1/18/2011 5:00:45 PM ~ NIcholas: Will you argue to stay at the 32 or increase?
1:17:21 ~ 1/18/2011 5:00:57 PM ~ Harshman: I would support a higher level...lower cost per sq fot
1:17:46 ~ 1/18/2011 5:01:22 PM ~ NIcholas: Any one have trouble with the 61....if expended as profiled on handout 39
1:18:04 ~ 1/18/2011 5:01:40 PM ~ Steward: No problem..The number 117 million..avaialbe for capital construction.
1:18:28 ~ 1/18/2011 5:02:04 PM ~ Nicholas: Goldenrod: pg 4..cap con would be reduced..what is the driver.. the tip or the 117
1:19:17 ~ 1/18/2011 5:02:53 PM ~ Bill: Several drivers: pg 4 and pg 5..school cap con..second subtotal..transfer of 498.. that is the number
1:19:56 ~ 1/18/2011 5:03:31 PM ~ Harshamn 500 million
1:20:05 ~ 1/18/2011 5:03:40 PM ~ Nicholas: If we spend more would debate about tip or spend more?
1:20:31 ~ 1/18/2011 5:04:07 PM ~ Meier: I suggest we do not spend the money down to more than 250..We would have that for the next biennium.
1:20:56 ~ 1/18/2011 5:04:31 PM ~ Nicholas: Meier: construction in natrona county
1:21:14 ~ 1/18/2011 5:04:49 PM ~ Nicholas: 6193428..everyone comfortable with that number Handout pg 10..Projects next on list reasonably completed if money is authorized. Could become shovel ready within this biennium?
1:22:10 ~ 1/18/2011 5:05:45 PM ~ Daraie: yes,
1:22:19 ~ 1/18/2011 5:05:54 PM ~ Nicholas: List, right prominent is Natrona, KW and third high school in Casper..ton of money..
1:22:43 ~ 1/18/2011 5:06:18 PM ~ Harshamn: your opinion
1:22:49 ~ 1/18/2011 5:06:24 PM ~ Nicholas: Better to do all 3 projects at once
1:22:59 ~ 1/18/2011 5:06:35 PM ~ Daraie: Yes..They did this in Cheyenne..two major remodels..works because two existing high schools are done while kids are in school...a lot of dollars in small bites..isolate campus..lower pace..longer period of time.. Time and energy spent working out logistics...ready to go into design All will be under contract by the end of biennium
1:24:26 ~ 1/18/2011 5:08:01 PM ~ Nicholas: Change in statutue change the schools?
1:24:36 ~ 1/18/2011 5:08:12 PM ~ Daraie: No
1:24:46 ~ 1/18/2011 5:08:22 PM ~ Nicholas: ...
1:24:53 ~ 1/18/2011 5:08:29 PM ~ Daraie: just delays
1:25:02 ~ 1/18/2011 5:08:38 PM ~ Nicholas:
1:25:08 ~ 1/18/2011 5:08:43 PM ~ Harshaman: Dept Handout pg 10...meets index numbers except for 8 and 10...Casper projects parially funded..already 20 million sunk in
1:25:46 ~ 1/18/2011 5:09:22 PM ~ Nicholas: If we tee up more money add them in order on list? More information on projects... issue is if something on list should not be on it
1:26:35 ~ 1/18/2011 5:10:11 PM ~ Von Flatern: we come back in Feb..money would be available almost immediately.. delay cost state.
1:27:07 ~ 1/18/2011 5:10:43 PM ~ Von Flatern: what kind of cost if delay
1:27:26 ~ 1/18/2011 5:11:02 PM ~ Nicholas: suggesting design money but not construction money3
1:27:41 ~ 1/18/2011 5:11:17 PM ~ Von Flatern: if wait..
1:27:49 ~ 1/18/2011 5:11:25 PM ~ Nicholas: impact
1:27:54 ~ 1/18/2011 5:11:30 PM ~ Daraie: Rate of inflation every month delayed is the cost..cause a 2 to 3 month delay..injury relatively small... Can get them under contract. Think about: No contingency anymore Process: lowest priority project is the contingency Increase of cost in contracted project can cause lowest priority project . With a supplemental budget, the list is expended.
1:30:48 ~ 1/18/2011 5:14:24 PM ~ Nicholas: answer questions?
1:30:56 ~ 1/18/2011 5:14:32 PM ~ Berger: do districts understand and recognize this process?
1:31:11 ~ 1/18/2011 5:14:47 PM ~ Daraie: Campbell county does..people hear but do not realize
1:31:29 ~ 1/18/2011 5:15:05 PM ~ Harshamn: appropriate amount in a saving account?
1:31:47 ~ 1/18/2011 5:15:23 PM ~ Daraie: 5% ..Dr. Lowham recommends tieing to inflation rate..7 to 10 million
1:32:13 ~ 1/18/2011 5:15:49 PM ~ Harshman: Projects of opportunity...
1:32:36 ~ 1/18/2011 5:16:11 PM ~ Daraie: Opporutnity costs..buy property whenever but reasonable costs is not on our timing..flexibility
1:33:13 ~ 1/18/2011 5:16:49 PM ~ Harshman: Think about ...
1:33:38 ~ 1/18/2011 5:17:14 PM ~ Nicholas: Contingency fund for land acquisition... Contingency on cap com amount..on bubble...force districts to do it for these amounts..Contingency may be encouragement to spend more
1:34:28 ~ 1/18/2011 5:18:04 PM ~ Harshman: People got things done quicly.
1:34:54 ~ 1/18/2011 5:18:30 PM ~ Nicholas: projects ready this summer
1:35:04 ~ 1/18/2011 5:18:39 PM ~ Daraie: No..need controls on contingency funds so pressure to meet budgets is there..
1:35:27 ~ 1/18/2011 5:19:03 PM ~ Nicholas: It is in everyone's interest that Casper receives....next summer..huge impact on construction..authorization is only authorized if they go to construction next summer and lose it if do not..drive up budget
1:36:16 ~ 1/18/2011 5:19:51 PM ~ Harshaman: Summer of 12? fair
1:36:26 ~ 1/18/2011 5:20:01 PM ~ Nicholas: summer 12
1:36:32 ~ 1/18/2011 5:20:08 PM ~ Daraie: confident summer 2012
1:36:45 ~ 1/18/2011 5:20:21 PM ~ Harshman and Nicholas
1:36:58 ~ 1/18/2011 5:20:34 PM ~ Nicholas: Projects can be included if that is where the debate goes
1:37:18 ~ 1/18/2011 5:20:53 PM ~ Wallis: Remedial education..What is the difference between FFC priority and needs index?
1:37:48 ~ 1/18/2011 5:21:24 PM ~ Daraie: Process begins with ...macro quick look, puts buildings into rank 1 to 323, refers to that place, focuses conversation Then start from top of list..clarity of problem then look for remedy. Facility Planning Commission Meetings: List of projects taken to committees... Some order so you can draw lines..
1:39:54 ~ 1/18/2011 5:23:29 PM ~ Harshman; 1- 48 is for our reference..nothing in terms of needy
1:40:13 ~ 1/18/2011 5:23:48 PM ~ Wallis: plus, asterick, x mean something
1:40:23 ~ 1/18/2011 5:23:58 PM ~ Daraie: corresponding with components of certain symbol construction. In budget documents, they are grouped differently
1:40:50 ~ 1/18/2011 5:24:26 PM ~ Harshman: What is our timeline to start markup? Amendments to budget when
1:41:17 ~ 1/18/2011 5:24:53 PM ~ Nicholas: Run budget after cross-over
1:41:29 ~ 1/18/2011 5:25:05 PM ~ Harshman Nicholas Harshman: Ball park numbers, If you come back and say more or less..soft numbers
1:42:11 ~ 1/18/2011 5:25:46 PM ~ Daraie: All but one are currently under design. Number will firm up as design proceeds. Sq ft times cost per sq ft is degree of hardness...cost per sq ft is not solid until 10% into design
1:43:05 ~ 1/18/2011 5:26:41 PM ~ Harshaman:
1:43:15 ~ 1/18/2011 5:26:51 PM ~ Nicholas: Rounded numbers
1:43:23 ~ 1/18/2011 5:26:58 PM ~ Steward: not opposed to getting schools on bottom keyed up. Decision tied to sweeps in Golden rod
1:43:45 ~ 1/18/2011 5:27:21 PM ~ Nicholas: will get that in mark up discussion..arguing over sweep, what to keep in acct, not priority on list. Senator Meier: If we add projects 44 -48 on, will they displace aproject above?
1:45:00 ~ 1/18/2011 5:28:35 PM ~ Daraie: By statue can not
1:45:09 ~ 1/18/2011 5:28:45 PM ~ Harshman
1:45:12 ~ 1/18/2011 5:28:48 PM ~ Nicholas
1:45:15 ~ 1/18/2011 5:28:51 PM ~ Daraie
1:45:19 ~ 1/18/2011 5:28:55 PM ~ Nicholas: Spreadsheet pg 10 SFC Questions?
1:45:51 ~ 1/18/2011 5:29:27 PM ~ Harshman: Planning..enough in ..getting planned up
1:46:14 ~ 1/18/2011 5:29:49 PM ~ Daraie: get ourselves ready.. Delays from last year, it will take this summer to work this out Moving forward facility planning meetings. Budget is due Sept 1
1:46:58 ~ 1/18/2011 5:30:33 PM ~ Nicholas: with new statue, change in hierarchy
1:47:09 ~ 1/18/2011 5:30:44 PM ~ Daraie: No A needs index every year Not a new condition assessment until budget session after next, functionality scores set capacity related issues addressed list is fairly static 2011 needs index to accompany budget request You can see on this list here, both architechs and contractors So all but 3 were in state contractors Cars can have a USA empblem on it but the parts inside can be from overseas. The way the process works Two state people from our office, two and then they select a fifth.
1:52:57 ~ 1/18/2011 5:36:33 PM ~ We have a nice process to select a contractor We take into consideration the WYoming COntractors community. For example a General Contractor that is Wyoming, he can only use 30% out of state sub-contractors. We have gone to the extent of having the GM open all the bids.
1:55:07 ~ 1/18/2011 5:38:42 PM ~ Nicholas They have already opened the bid, 70% have to be Wyoming contractors
1:56:07 ~ 1/18/2011 5:39:43 PM ~ In another example, The finish carpenter went out of business, that is a situation that requires some delicate conversation.
1:57:33 ~ 1/18/2011 5:41:09 PM ~ Nicholas
1:57:42 ~ 1/18/2011 5:41:18 PM ~ Harshman Isn't that in the statute
1:57:56 ~ 1/18/2011 5:41:31 PM ~ Yes it is
1:58:09 ~ 1/18/2011 5:41:44 PM ~ Nicholas We need to put something in the budget so that the Governor knows about it.
1:58:56 ~ 1/18/2011 5:42:32 PM ~ Peterson Some of these schools can have $500,000 worth of furnishings. The controcator does not want to bother with that.
2:00:03 ~ 1/18/2011 5:43:39 PM ~ Daraie You are right and we don't do that any more. Either we do that ourselfves or contract it out.
2:00:50 ~ 1/18/2011 5:44:26 PM ~ Harshman.
2:01:15 ~ 1/18/2011 5:44:51 PM ~ Meier That person that does the specs Do they actually tell the exact item to be installed.
2:02:25 ~ 1/18/2011 5:46:01 PM ~ Nicholas 5 min break, we will be done by 7:00p.m.
2:03:12 ~ 1/18/2011 5:58:37 PM ~ Department of Education: Cindy Hill
2:03:21 ~ 1/18/2011 5:58:46 PM ~ Nicholas: Dept of Ed.. no supplemental budget request Changes proposed..new funding model.. Staff changes,
2:04:08 ~ 1/18/2011 5:59:33 PM ~ Cindy Hill: Staff Christine Steel Laurel Ballard Roger Clark Fred Hanson Cheryl Lane Remarks from handout...thanks.. State of Education in Wyomng Educational Reforms: Thanks for fully funding schools. Significant committment by legislature Focus on instruction...increase instruction and quality of instruction for better results. Anything taking time out of classroom ..reduce paperwork, relevant information, immediate positive impact..efficiency..sensible data collection..measuring practical affects of proposals. Instructional Leadership...teacher accountability..leadership accountability...leaders, principals and superintendents responsible for results.. Written testimony reflecting personal beliefs Who is leaving..who is coming? Repurposed deputy position into one deputy position and two directors positions''instructinal leaders"
2:11:33 ~ 1/18/2011 6:06:58 PM ~ Harshman: Deputy is political appointee Two directors: are they political appointees
2:12:14 ~ 1/18/2011 6:07:39 PM ~ Hill: Lee Pickering, Kay Post
2:12:30 ~ 1/18/2011 6:07:55 PM ~ Harshaman: restructure ..give new flow chart
2:12:43 ~ 1/18/2011 6:08:08 PM ~ Nicholas: please provide change to chart
2:12:58 ~ 1/18/2011 6:08:23 PM ~ Hill: Chart showed 7 directors, there were 9 in the department, now back to 7
2:13:31 ~ 1/18/2011 6:08:56 PM ~ Harshman: From 7 to 5
2:13:42 ~ 1/18/2011 6:09:07 PM ~ Hill: The budget showed 7 directors, there were 9 when I arrived, now there are 7
2:14:05 ~ 1/18/2011 6:09:30 PM ~ Nicholas: Provide names of folks assigned to those positions
2:14:19 ~ 1/18/2011 6:09:45 PM ~ Hill: Nicholas: Have they all changed? Is deputy still there?
2:14:56 ~ 1/18/2011 6:10:21 PM ~ Hill: Deputy has been repurposed.
2:15:15 ~ 1/18/2011 6:10:40 PM ~ Nicholas:
2:15:18 ~ 1/18/2011 6:10:43 PM ~ Hill: Student Learning, Outreach,..
2:15:36 ~ 1/18/2011 6:11:01 PM ~ Nicholas: added two positions
2:15:56 ~ 1/18/2011 6:11:21 PM ~ Hill:...
2:16:01 ~ 1/18/2011 6:11:26 PM ~ Nicholas:
2:16:05 ~ 1/18/2011 6:11:30 PM ~ Hill: Flattening the organizational chart, in the midst of reconfiguring.
2:16:19 ~ 1/18/2011 6:11:45 PM ~ Nicholas: Add 3 so there are 10 people reporting to deputy.
2:16:35 ~ 1/18/2011 6:12:00 PM ~ Hill: None will report to deputy, .....
2:16:53 ~ 1/18/2011 6:12:18 PM ~ Nicholas: New chart, 3 people reporting to you?
2:17:06 ~ 1/18/2011 6:12:31 PM ~ Hill: Could be option..have not ..
2:17:21 ~ 1/18/2011 6:12:46 PM ~ Nicholas: 7 on chart still there
2:17:29 ~ 1/18/2011 6:12:54 PM ~ Hill: Still there
2:17:35 ~ 1/18/2011 6:13:00 PM ~ Nicholas: When will you have your new organizational chart..days or months?
2:18:01 ~ 1/18/2011 6:13:26 PM ~ Hill: as soon as possible, no time limit on it, include staff
2:18:17 ~ 1/18/2011 6:13:42 PM ~ Nicholas: Give us atemporary one..
2:18:24 ~ 1/18/2011 6:13:49 PM ~ Nicholas: List ..Handout 42 Pearson Contract..
2:19:08 ~ 1/18/2011 6:14:33 PM ~ Hill: Counsel referred to..3
2:19:28 ~ 1/18/2011 6:14:53 PM ~ Nicholas: which attorny?
2:19:35 ~ 1/18/2011 6:15:00 PM ~ Hill: Attorney General
2:19:45 ~ 1/18/2011 6:15:10 PM ~ Nicholas: can do this in executive session
2:19:53 ~ 1/18/2011 6:15:18 PM ~ Nicholas: PAWS..changes planned, statutues stay the same...
2:20:27 ~ 1/18/2011 6:15:53 PM ~ Hill: within the statutues some changes are being proposed..identified changes not in best interest..identified 4 remedies..... 1. Imposed timing of PAWS..change to not a timed test 2. Time frame changed from 3 weeks to 4 weeks 3. Writing draft and final draft not due in one day 4. Content pieces of test administered..adjust .. Careful not to break Pearson contract or not cyclemetrically sound January 3 went into action 2012 PAWS administration: reduced time by 15 to 45 minutes depending on execution Staff attended Pearson Training
2:23:16 ~ 1/18/2011 6:18:41 PM ~ Nicholas: Recalibratin committee contemplating changes you do not agree with
2:23:34 ~ 1/18/2011 6:18:59 PM ~ Hill: remind me
2:23:41 ~ 1/18/2011 6:19:06 PM ~ Hill: Nothing to do with recalibration, proposed changes from predecessor...no idea of origination of changes.. PAWS would be a timed test, one day rough and final draft, window reduced to 3 days, and rules for administering test
2:25:01 ~ 1/18/2011 6:20:26 PM ~ Nicholas: Did come from recalibrations..don't test conditions need to be uniform
2:25:18 ~ 1/18/2011 6:20:44 PM ~ Hill: Everyone has an extension of time
2:25:29 ~ 1/18/2011 6:20:54 PM ~ Harshman: Sunset of PAWS..end of course exams..accountability to all teachers.. We test writing which is not rquired by " No child Left Behind" A bill heading that way? Phase out of writing 2nd question: Stoplight deal, formative deal... make it less expensive, shorten it up
2:26:56 ~ 1/18/2011 6:22:21 PM ~ Hill: Jan 4 met on those topics Writing and phase out: PAWS without writing in 2012; local level, spoke with 5 districts..13 months away..local effort, similar... Stoplight: More formative assessment Growth model approach..
2:29:00 ~ 1/18/2011 6:24:25 PM ~ Harshamn: Dr. Popin? Is he on retainer or an employee of wyoming?
2:29:28 ~ 1/18/2011 6:24:53 PM ~ Hill: Laurel
2:29:40 ~ 1/18/2011 6:25:05 PM ~ Ballard: He is one of technical advisory committee..serves as the chairman of technical...contract employee
2:30:15 ~ 1/18/2011 6:25:40 PM ~ Harshman: what do we pay him and other experts..want one page info.
2:30:29 ~ 1/18/2011 6:25:54 PM ~ Wallis: Received email expressing serious problems with being bullied by the Pearson representative in the development of questions.... Is there a continuing process of reviewing these questions and are educators involved in the process?
2:32:07 ~ 1/18/2011 6:27:32 PM ~ Hill: Kevin Lewis attended Pearson training
2:32:19 ~ 1/18/2011 6:27:44 PM ~ Kevin: Generally a review
2:32:38 ~ 1/18/2011 6:28:03 PM ~ Hill: I will be meeting with Pearson representative and will address those concerns.
2:32:58 ~ 1/18/2011 6:28:23 PM ~ Wallis: Will forward the message
2:33:12 ~ 1/18/2011 6:28:37 PM ~ Peterson: Students are instructed that test has nothing to do with their grade....incentive is not there for students to perform well so results are not accurate...ski trips...used as
2:34:14 ~ 1/18/2011 6:29:39 PM ~ Hill: Governor Mead's speech..lack of motivation of students towards PAWS..incentives within buildings
2:34:51 ~ 1/18/2011 6:30:17 PM ~ Nicholas: Any part of PAWS statute you do not feel like you can enforce or implement without..
2:35:15 ~ 1/18/2011 6:30:40 PM ~ Hill: Not at this point.. people want PAWS as barebones as possible
2:35:36 ~ 1/18/2011 6:31:01 PM ~ Nicholas: Legislator ...
2:35:46 ~ 1/18/2011 6:31:11 PM ~ Hill: understand
2:35:55 ~ 1/18/2011 6:31:20 PM ~ Nicholas: Issue..not easy to adminster
2:36:10 ~ 1/18/2011 6:31:35 PM ~ Hill: Accountability bill..example: most of schools would be improvement..dept would be involved in direct assistance to schools..discussion for that portion fo the bill... Bar has been set high...want to make sure have resources..
2:37:09 ~ 1/18/2011 6:32:34 PM ~ Edmonds: There is a bill to remove the writing piece...
2:37:44 ~ 1/18/2011 6:33:09 PM ~ Harshman: Accountability Bill from recalibration committee...chosen reading and math..mock run throughs? Was that off of last year's data which was messed up. Example: 100% ACT..math....issues.. 2nd point on bill.. lot put on your department ..need to look at that..
2:39:21 ~ 1/18/2011 6:34:46 PM ~ Hill It d
2:40:56 ~ 1/18/2011 6:36:21 PM ~ Harshman What does it cost to educate our kids per day.
2:41:48 ~ 1/18/2011 6:37:13 PM ~ Jansen We spend 175 days instruction divide into 1.3 Billion..
2:42:57 ~ 1/18/2011 6:38:22 PM ~ Hill It takes 20 hours to test Paw
2:43:29 ~ 1/18/2011 6:38:54 PM ~ Nicholas Any other questions for PAWS
2:43:51 ~ 1/18/2011 6:39:16 PM ~ Berger What is the total cost for PAWS?
2:44:12 ~ 1/18/2011 6:39:37 PM ~ Nicholas Next item Transfer of employees Who is in Riverton
2:44:50 ~ 1/18/2011 6:40:15 PM ~ Hill At this time the employees in Riverton will stay there. Laramie I plan to move the Laramie office to Cheyenne.
2:46:13 ~ 1/18/2011 6:41:38 PM ~ Nicholas We can consolidate lots of offices in Cheyenne to save money.
2:47:13 ~ 1/18/2011 6:42:39 PM ~ Hill Yes,
2:47:37 ~ 1/18/2011 6:43:02 PM ~ Nicholas Your intent is to have 29 people travel 2 hours a day every day.
2:48:19 ~ 1/18/2011 6:43:44 PM ~ Hill Yes There is a great deal of information out there
2:49:04 ~ 1/18/2011 6:44:30 PM ~ Nicholas Are there any Federal Funds that might not go through the end of the biannium
2:49:50 ~ 1/18/2011 6:45:15 PM ~ Hill No
2:49:55 ~ 1/18/2011 6:45:20 PM ~ Meier Do you look to see if we could opt out of some programs.
2:50:24 ~ 1/18/2011 6:45:49 PM ~ Hill I will share that information you.
2:50:57 ~ 1/18/2011 6:46:22 PM ~ Nicholas
2:51:12 ~ 1/18/2011 6:46:37 PM ~ Hill It's 120 Mill and 6% of our budget. Those funds are for specific sturdents
2:52:01 ~ 1/18/2011 6:47:26 PM ~ Meier Maaybe for biannium
2:52:24 ~ 1/18/2011 6:47:49 PM ~ Lane about 145mill a year.
2:52:47 ~ 1/18/2011 6:48:12 PM ~ Von Flatern Does that effect food services if we turn down federal funds. I think Utah ask for that at one time
2:54:24 ~ 1/18/2011 6:49:49 PM ~ Lane They asked but did not do that.
2:54:53 ~ 1/18/2011 6:50:18 PM ~ Von Flatern We had this presentation and talked about the major components.
2:55:38 ~ 1/18/2011 6:51:03 PM ~ Matt WE have all the federal funds for education.
2:56:07 ~ 1/18/2011 6:51:32 PM ~ Nicholas BTS Data I was told that we would keep those two positions.
2:56:42 ~ 1/18/2011 6:52:07 PM ~ Steel We found many hours getting the teacher record and put into electronic format. Yes we are still planning to move that information.
2:58:30 ~ 1/18/2011 6:53:55 PM ~ Nicholas Whjat about the data keeping.
2:58:47 ~ 1/18/2011 6:54:13 PM ~ Steel We are keeping all the data. We are looking from the large data bases that we have. If we can start getting information at real time.
3:00:08 ~ 1/18/2011 6:55:33 PM ~ Nicholas Any other questions We are done.