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3 ~ 1/19/2011 8:13:27 AM ~ Wednesday January 19, 2011 Department of Transportation, Public Defender, County and Prosecuting Attorneys 011911am1

40 ~ 1/19/2011 8:14:03 AM ~ Berger: Good morning..Dept of Tansportation

1:02 ~ 1/19/2011 8:14:25 AM ~ Nicholas: Apology for members leaving

1:22 ~ 1/19/2011 8:14:45 AM ~ John Cox, Director: 7th session ..appreciate.. Staff: Ted Ertman, Newcastle, Del McOmie, Tim Hibbard, Denise Burns, Amber Sclabbs Sandy, Kevin Hibbard Federal Funding: Congress, Transportation bill is 1 1/2 year overdue. Rep John Mica..new treansporation bill formula funding..good for state of Wyoming. bottom line--you exist on what you are taking in..nationwide. Federal funding for Wyoming will probably be less Field hearing sessions by fed govt conveyed rural state message..T&I committee Operating on conitnuing resolutions,,..Through March 30 of this year.

6:25 ~ 1/19/2011 8:19:48 AM ~ Nicholas: Ball park numbers, dollars? embedded road construction, from feds

6:48 ~ 1/19/2011 8:20:11 AM ~ Cox: Kevin

6:55 ~ 1/19/2011 8:20:19 AM ~ Kevin: DOT website has statistics .. 2011-fiscal period..549 million in total reveneu ...254 million, state sources: highway user fees, registration..etc 148.8 mineral, oil severance taxes general fund 1.2 million air service enhancements air... 50 million in appropriations bill..all contracted last year Other sources: Miscellaneous, 1.2 million City and county matching funds 6+ million Render service - provide service for agencies 9.6 million Total misc 3.7 mill Federal funding: 240.9 million Maintenance, construction Grants of 54 million...airport improvement.. repeat offender open container..state laws..multiple DUI..our current laws do not meet fed..diversions...not a loss of federal funding..moving money to stipulated..most into SITE distance, guard rails....studies, pilot projects, variable messge signs..traffic mgt center Add 10 million to the 54 million Federal Transit Authority 11 million..intercity businesses and rural.... work with WYtrans to administer Anticipated revenue in 2011

12:00 ~ 1/19/2011 8:25:24 AM ~ Nicholas: State funding 254 federal .. total 494 annual?

12:21 ~ 1/19/2011 8:25:45 AM ~ Kevin: Fed 295 ..total fed 295.5 million

12:42 ~ 1/19/2011 8:26:06 AM ~ Nicholas: About 500 million per year

12:51 ~ 1/19/2011 8:26:14 AM ~ Kevin: yes

12:59 ~ 1/19/2011 8:26:22 AM ~ Nicholas: ..540 million per year...how far back to see amounts greater than that

13:28 ~ 1/19/2011 8:26:52 AM ~ Kevin: 157 million in recovery act funding, airport, transist Historically flat...18 months into bill..2009 thresholds T21 and safety lew...

14:10 ~ 1/19/2011 8:27:33 AM ~ Nicholas: federal dollars max amount?

14:19 ~ 1/19/2011 8:27:42 AM ~ Kevin: 2009 total was 375 million in federal

14:36 ~ 1/19/2011 8:27:59 AM ~ Nicholas

14:39 ~ 1/19/2011 8:28:03 AM ~ Kevin: absent..flat..with exception of what took place 8 yrs ago

14:56 ~ 1/19/2011 8:28:20 AM ~ Nicholas: eroding it by purchasing power..

15:07 ~ 1/19/2011 8:28:30 AM ~ Kevin: 2005 to 2008: 24% inflation factor,

15:21 ~ 1/19/2011 8:28:44 AM ~ Nicholas: asphalt, oil and gas ?

15:30 ~ 1/19/2011 8:28:53 AM ~ Kevin: asphalt, concrete and steel products had inflation Used base year 1987, move into 2010..inflationary factors has tripled concrete, fuel and asphalt costs tripled

16:34 ~ 1/19/2011 8:29:57 AM ~ Steward: Budget book does not reflect numbers saying 230 million total revenues...mirror numbers?

17:03 ~ 1/19/2011 8:30:27 AM ~ Kevin: Legislative appropriated funding received on biennium basis..highway patrol, ....etc. does not include funding sources residing with transportation services. 83.4% of total funding administered by DOT...remainder of money appropraited by the legislature

18:06 ~ 1/19/2011 8:31:30 AM ~ Wallis: Summary Table on page 3 of budget book... 254.2 million dollars in state sources...

18:47 ~ 1/19/2011 8:32:10 AM ~ Kevin" pg 3 is roll up ...highway patrol, drivers registration...etc included Pg 3 total amount...funding sources.. GF 66 ...Other funds represented come from DOT revenue sources. Of the 254 is single source. On page 3 it is a biennium amount, so take it half approx 70 on an annual basis Reorganization 1990...responsibility and funding Remainder of approriations happen with transportation commission 83%.. Legislature appropriates first, what is left the Transportation Commission then appropriates...

21:23 ~ 1/19/2011 8:34:46 AM ~ Cox: Statutory basis Pg 4 Pg 5 - second section dept's primary functions... note DMV is contained in this section, driver services and motor vehicle services Pg 6: Performance measures, pg 6 most germane, road pavement and airport pavement, bold is statement...maintain at current level of 51% good to excellent. Combination of downturn in funding and cost increase has caused decrease in rating of pavement

23:40 ~ 1/19/2011 8:37:03 AM ~ Berger: Previous year grid compare with other states.

23:53 ~ 1/19/2011 8:37:17 AM ~ Cox: will provide

23:58 ~ 1/19/2011 8:37:21 AM ~ Cox: pg 7 ; further performance measures...customer service.. UW survey presents results next month...guidance from public.. general uptick ...79% good seat belt usage rate: troubling numbers...increase in resident use several years ago..has declined..fatality rate.. Pg 8: strategy for seat belt use, primary seat belt law, we support it limit free movement personal note of loss of life New generation knows better than us.. measure #4 employee satisfaction rate: uptick.. Pg 9: Summary of original requested supplemental budget,..changes under governor's recommendations Pg 12 : Air service enhancement...statutory program..only one in US statefunded to underwrite and subsidize...low population, difficult to maintain air service...6 million per year...cut to 3...

30:44 ~ 1/19/2011 8:44:07 AM ~ Hibbard Professional Service Contracts Page 13 Remainder of request for enhancments for the future, leaves $3,000,000+

32:10 ~ 1/19/2011 8:45:34 AM ~ Berger I would like to hear from Dennis and Amber I became a frequet flyer this year

32:57 ~ 1/19/2011 8:46:20 AM ~ Aeornotics Our efforts are to get affordable to all towns within the State of WYoming. The increase in fuel prices have dampened it. The down economy has also hurt the airline industry.

34:50 ~ 1/19/2011 8:48:14 AM ~ Berger What about reliability? How does subsidizing these airlines help that

35:36 ~ 1/19/2011 8:48:59 AM ~ Aeonotics I understand. We working with airlines on that issue.

36:28 ~ 1/19/2011 8:49:51 AM ~ Peterson I sure you have passenger numbers for all the airports. Could you get those to us?

37:10 ~ 1/19/2011 8:50:34 AM ~ Aeorotics Yes

37:22 ~ 1/19/2011 8:50:45 AM ~ Von FLatern This is about $4 mill additional

38:00 ~ 1/19/2011 8:51:23 AM ~ Areonotics I beleive we can get by with that money. Keep in mind that are additional communites requesting services.. What you see is not the whole picture

38:58 ~ 1/19/2011 8:52:21 AM ~ Burns That would be very helpful. Absent the political will, maybe we need to look at a State airline.

40:04 ~ 1/19/2011 8:53:27 AM ~ Burns We try to fix the problem that exists. Finding a carrier that will come into the state is a challenge. Cody is a success story. We worked with the airlines. THey lowered their prices and passenger numberrs increased.

41:40 ~ 1/19/2011 8:55:04 AM ~ Von Flatern Mr. Burns, you have have a very tough job. We are long distance from any hubs

42:26 ~ 1/19/2011 8:55:49 AM ~ Wallis How do minimum revenues work?

43:05 ~ 1/19/2011 8:56:29 AM ~ Burns 1.4 mill. gaurentees that they will break even up to 1.4 mill. If they are profitable, we don't pay them anything.

44:05 ~ 1/19/2011 8:57:29 AM ~ Wallis What happens to those dollars when the system is successful

44:40 ~ 1/19/2011 8:58:04 AM ~ Burns We have very good relations with the big lagecy carriers.

45:32 ~ 1/19/2011 8:58:56 AM ~ Peterson Can you expain to me how junkets like Alligence out of Casper work

46:09 ~ 1/19/2011 8:59:32 AM ~ Burns Slabs

46:25 ~ 1/19/2011 8:59:49 AM ~ Slabs We didn't really have a different business model

46:58 ~ 1/19/2011 9:00:21 AM ~ Berger Can you tell us about the

47:09 ~ 1/19/2011 9:00:33 AM ~ Slabs At one time airlines were doing well enough to advertise themselves. Now they lean heavy on us to help with advertising.

48:14 ~ 1/19/2011 9:01:37 AM ~ Berger I odn't mean to pick on SHereidan. How do you do damage control.

48:45 ~ 1/19/2011 9:02:08 AM ~ Slabs When in comes to thise communites with liablity issues.......Montana is looking for a new carriers

49:42 ~ 1/19/2011 9:03:05 AM ~ Cox Page 17

50:00 ~ 1/19/2011 9:03:23 AM ~ Hibbard Page 12 Page 15 Standard BUdget total $6,9 mill.

50:53 ~ 1/19/2011 9:04:16 AM ~ Cox Page 17 Request for Surface Transportion. the other was Emergency projects. What this lists represents is $20 mill. whcih Gov. Fredenthal denied and Gov. Mead reinstated.

52:47 ~ 1/19/2011 9:06:10 AM ~ Von Flatern THere is 14.5 mill floating around for flooding around Kaycee. Many of these projects are subject to reinbursement. We have to spend our monies first and then we are feinbursed

54:23 ~ 1/19/2011 9:07:46 AM ~ Von Flatern Does those monies come back to the General Fund

54:48 ~ 1/19/2011 9:08:11 AM ~ Hibbard SOme times it takes 2-3 years before we get monies back. We are currently spending monies we have. There is no general fund relationship.

56:29 ~ 1/19/2011 9:09:52 AM ~ Von Flatern You are asking money for monies you have already spent on emergency projects

57:28 ~ 1/19/2011 9:10:51 AM ~ Burns When he denied the request, he created a long term funding source.

58:30 ~ 1/19/2011 9:11:53 AM ~ Wallis If I am understanding you correctly. This certainly isn't the first summer we have had flood damage. We should be getting monies from 2 or 3 years ago.

59:46 ~ 1/19/2011 9:13:10 AM ~ Cox We ere following the criteria that Gov. Fredenthal set out. Instead of the $25mill on this list.

1:00:59 ~ 1/19/2011 9:14:23 AM ~ Wallis I think it remains to be seen if legislation agrees with the Governor. Do we have a mechinism to make sure your reinbursment monies get back into the General Fund.

1:02:59 ~ 1/19/2011 9:16:22 AM ~ Hibbard We would in fact pay back the fund

1:03:25 ~ 1/19/2011 9:16:49 AM ~ Steward Let me try to phrase this question a little differently.

1:03:54 ~ 1/19/2011 9:17:17 AM ~ Hibbard No, they would not.

1:04:32 ~ 1/19/2011 9:17:55 AM ~ McOmie Madam CHair One other point, what we did was delaid projects that were already on line. The $52 mill. will let us put those back in the tube.

1:06:07 ~ 1/19/2011 9:19:31 AM ~ Von Flatern The bottom one drops out when the top ones take more money

1:06:35 ~ 1/19/2011 9:19:59 AM ~ Berger Have you prpared a list of projects on what you spend the addtional monies for

1:07:05 ~ 1/19/2011 9:20:28 AM ~ McOmie We have projects setting on the shelf that are ready to go if money appears

1:08:08 ~ 1/19/2011 9:21:31 AM ~ Berger That would be good to have. What is the completion rate on the emergency projects.

1:08:53 ~ 1/19/2011 9:22:17 AM ~ Pedersen Dir. Cox I relate to a relieable income source for the future. Surely there must be illistrations of projects that you have planned for the future.

1:10:43 ~ 1/19/2011 9:24:07 AM ~ Pedersen: Earmmarking

1:10:54 ~ 1/19/2011 9:24:18 AM ~ Kevin: Earmarking 2002 through 2012...421 million ; 15 million to counties for industrial roads...seed program..airports are govt assets...56 million for WyoLink..2.7 m ..transit..not all money came to DOT for DOT purposes..

1:12:41 ~ 1/19/2011 9:26:04 AM ~ Berger: ..graph..fuel tax, camp of fmr's Cox: steady growth of support for highway maintenance...200 million or 100 million per year...economic downturn..standard budget amount reduced to zero..50 million appropriated in GF..replacement for 200 million Federal Govt funds saved our bacon... Biennium approx 200 million if governor's recommendation is approved...CREG estimates...facilitates ability to long-term plan which is critical; still behind the need... 2005 : Difference in amounts of money from highway patrol...people get angry over large amounts...our job is to communicate clearly, truthfully and accurately the magnitude of the need. Recommended amount in long term is step in right direction.. Funding ratio fed to state: Wyo is in last 5%. National average has been 40/60 fed to state. Wyoming's best day was 60/40 federal to state..at best piont 82/18 ratio today...73/27 if proposal goes through Keep coming back because of need Best in nation for getting ARA funds into use..best accounting also. Past GF audited and successful. Absolute integrity

1:19:07 ~ 1/19/2011 9:32:31 AM ~ Berger: WyoLink Handout...can read information...may come back on Thursday or Friday

1:19:43 ~ 1/19/2011 9:33:07 AM ~ Berger: Agency 8 Office of Public Defender: Diane Lozano, Director. Would like senators here...go ahead Handout

1:21:36 ~ 1/19/2011 9:34:59 AM ~ Diane: No

1:21:41 ~ 1/19/2011 9:35:04 AM ~ Berger: Go ahead for the record...

1:22:03 ~ 1/19/2011 9:35:27 AM ~ Diane: One request, Governor Freudenthal added to it Pg 9 of supplemental budget request Two AWAC positions....better mgt control and oversight to create two full time AWAC positions. Requesting that they be converted ...193,143 dollars..moving from one series to another

1:23:29 ~ 1/19/2011 9:36:53 AM ~ Berger: Changes improved services

1:23:38 ~ 1/19/2011 9:37:01 AM ~ Diane: immensely .esp on guardian ad litum side...down to 39..some full-time contracts..billing practices have improved..quality and administratively have more oversight and quality control

1:24:19 ~ 1/19/2011 9:37:42 AM ~ Berger: 39 currently is effective?

1:24:29 ~ 1/19/2011 9:37:52 AM ~ Diane..some counties caseloads have gone up...

1:24:42 ~ 1/19/2011 9:38:05 AM ~ Steward: Carbon County on list of needs for increased list of personnel

1:24:58 ~ 1/19/2011 9:38:22 AM ~ Diane: No..local attorneys provide guardian ad litem...one may move to a full time contract

1:25:21 ~ 1/19/2011 9:38:45 AM ~ Berger: Agency 160 County and Prosecuting Attorneys Mr. Joe Barren, present

1:26:29 ~ 1/19/2011 9:39:53 AM ~ Barren: President Stone...in her absence..Laura and Elizabeth Supplemental request of 500, 000 due to budgeting error, increase of 200, due to additional need000

1:27:44 ~ 1/19/2011 9:41:08 AM ~ Berger: have read narrative, Mr. Cox speak on this point . large correction

1:28:05 ~ 1/19/2011 9:41:28 AM ~ Michael: Doubled the cut from 306,00 to 613,00.. did not catch until working the budget..my error. The 306,000 should be reinstated.

1:28:49 ~ 1/19/2011 9:42:13 AM ~ Berger: Thank you

1:28:53 ~ 1/19/2011 9:42:17 AM ~ Von Flatern: Page amount?

1:29:04 ~ 1/19/2011 9:42:27 AM ~ Berger: Pg 9 of narrative budget 160... 306,500 doubled is 613,000 updates of activities, workload, etc.

1:29:45 ~ 1/19/2011 9:43:08 AM ~ Barron: County Attorneys ..here speaking to legislatures...conference call once a month and during session once a week..how affects citizens. Turnover...24 years as a county attorney...lowest number of turnovers recalled...as many as 11 out of 21...more years of experience.. Michelle Burns.. Big Horn county attorney...

1:31:31 ~ 1/19/2011 9:44:54 AM ~ Berger: list of bills will keep you busy

1:31:40 ~ 1/19/2011 9:45:03 AM ~ Barron: Nature of budget..69 deputies...budget pays half the salaries..fairly fixed number, salaries set for 4 years..deputy salary flexible..state pays 30,000 Authorized postions...request would take care tof the funding for these things..

1:33:00 ~ 1/19/2011 9:46:24 AM ~ Berger: Questions:

1:33:07 ~ 1/19/2011 9:46:30 AM ~ VonFlatern : pg 9 ..only actual expenditures be used to build ...Does A&I receive cost, put out dollar for dollar budgetr?

1:33:39 ~ 1/19/2011 9:47:02 AM ~ Michael: Wolf report on line that can gather expenditures..will use those.

1:33:59 ~ 1/19/2011 9:47:23 AM ~ Berger: Thank you. 12:30 return...

1:34:32 ~ 1/19/2011 9:47:55 AM ~ Nicholas: Tomorrow's schedule