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4 ~ 1/19/2011 4:10:59 PM ~ Boswell You have a new Gov.Letter Legislature has been will to pay for external costs adjustments. It is not targeted, everyone gets the same percentage. Gov. Mead's proposal is considerable smaller. This is handout # 054
3:13 ~ 1/19/2011 4:14:08 PM ~ Nicholas I'm still struggling with the Court System If they were in A&I they may have already gotten their adjustments
4:03 ~ 1/19/2011 4:14:58 PM ~ Boswell I didn't seem possible to do that in the next few days.
4:50 ~ 1/19/2011 4:15:45 PM ~ Nicholas The Judicial Branch has created
5:09 ~ 1/19/2011 4:16:04 PM ~ Boswell I'll jump agead to performance pay. You can explore and fund performance pay. The previous proposal was much larger, GOv. Mead reduces that amount. Performance awards will only be for those who exceed expectations. The state has had many chances to explore performance pay. These studies have failed in the past because there was no funding. $3,142,000 figure was arrived at by 36% is considered exceeding standards. It intended to be one time. If this thing doesnt work out...... Gov. Mead is committed to a serious thoughtful The agencies would be held responsible.
12:05 ~ 1/19/2011 4:23:00 PM ~ Faucet The PAS has been in place for 20 years. The current system has been used for 10 years. System requrires a midyear update and an end of year rateing Needs Expectations, Exceeds Expaction, Needs Improvement. 12 performance areas If an employee needs help with any of the areas is given help 36% of the employees have exceeded their expectations
15:43 ~ 1/19/2011 4:26:38 PM ~ Faucet The previous system had a number system
16:33 ~ 1/19/2011 4:27:28 PM ~ Mieier I was just thinking of some sort of system that be a little easier.
17:25 ~ 1/19/2011 4:28:20 PM ~ Edmonds Why are we doing this for the employeess
17:56 ~ 1/19/2011 4:28:51 PM ~ Boswell To reward exceptional performance.
18:21 ~ 1/19/2011 4:29:16 PM ~ Edmonds Do you have any idea how
18:37 ~ 1/19/2011 4:29:32 PM ~ Faucet One of the way is to establish guidelines
19:22 ~ 1/19/2011 4:30:17 PM ~ Boswell How well supervisor's are doing their jobs. There is flexibility in that system. That is the assurtion in some agencies of cornieism.
21:28 ~ 1/19/2011 4:32:23 PM ~ Berger This was kind of a way
22:00 ~ 1/19/2011 4:32:55 PM ~ Boswell It will be up to the....... It's performance I don't have that information
23:05 ~ 1/19/2011 4:34:00 PM ~ Faucet This would be an add-on. How would pay it out.
24:14 ~ 1/19/2011 4:35:09 PM ~ Boswell We have been discussing if it is ...
25:25 ~ 1/19/2011 4:36:20 PM ~ Faoucet The assumption is the max an employee could get is $1,000, This would tend . The agency directior Agencies that have more robust employeees
27:47 ~ 1/19/2011 4:38:42 PM ~ Bosewell You want to try and keep this consista
28:45 ~ 1/19/2011 4:39:40 PM ~ Nicholas Any given day attorneys , work very hard but tend not to socolize. Private Indust gives out awards If the objective is to Based on the Hay Group study everyone is judged individually. I have always wonder if we should get a total management serviece study..
34:25 ~ 1/19/2011 4:45:20 PM ~ Boswell I would use my experience in the private sector. In needed to reward the exceptional worker. We can reinvent this sysem. It will take a lot of time and money.
36:41 ~ 1/19/2011 4:47:36 PM ~ Edmonds The idea the idea of team pay does not work. It has to be individual pay.
39:06 ~ 1/19/2011 4:50:01 PM ~ Steward:: gaining Quality Teachers, How does one balance the study ..current times to justify this? Help me to be a supporter
40:08 ~ 1/19/2011 4:51:03 PM ~ Boswell: Market figures...70,000 ..update again..consultant can use market points to update between surveys..economy's with peaks and valleys..have delay from survey to check in mailbox, behind if market has dipped..same complaint to not react quickly enough to market forces..regular basis over time..delays even out
42:01 ~ 1/19/2011 4:52:56 PM ~ Meier: Change model..everyone deserves merit pay..did not want to alienate. Up to $1000 exact same rating.. 20,000 base versus 40,000 base
42:50 ~ 1/19/2011 4:53:45 PM ~ Boswell..
42:55 ~ 1/19/2011 4:53:50 PM ~ Faucet: Incentive is the same irregardless of pay rate. Part of compensation policy...Hay Group....Market pay was part, merit pay was other part
43:45 ~ 1/19/2011 4:54:40 PM ~ Peterson: Review the study...classification done, ..time to move forward
44:28 ~ 1/19/2011 4:55:23 PM ~ Berger: call for questions?
44:40 ~ 1/19/2011 4:55:35 PM ~ Berger: Mr. Cathcart and A & I .. capital construction
45:14 ~ 1/19/2011 4:56:09 PM ~ Cathcart: Rockwell building.. handout..49 ... Dollars put together under assumtions for ..Had no money set aside to operate or maintain. Had to use state building contingency funds..apologize for amount no meeting with Govs Freudenthal or Mead.. Handout pg 49 Actual cost, 6 month history Most buildings are in Cheyenne or capitol complex Sheridan--Girls School, no provision for Rockwell Building Options: Joint Venture with DFS and A & I..add people to staff at girls school. Better option: Hire a building manager 13,000+ . Does not cover what you call a contractor for.. Mgr makes contact...Brand new buildiing..sophisticated infrastructure... First six month history = 3000 per month to bring contractors in... Over time ...believe number will go down. Other part of request: First 8 months paid for out of contingency funds Budget Request to refill the contingency funds Mistake: Amount was for 24 months not 16 266,788 dollars 16000 sq ft parking, substantial underground footage 46215 sq ft on 8.43 acres...so operation and maintenance is substantial 4.33 per square ft on annual basis..beleive amount will go down...
52:29 ~ 1/19/2011 5:03:24 PM ~ Nicholas: New building sq ft o and m cost? 2 to 2.50
52:44 ~ 1/19/2011 5:03:39 PM ~ Cathcart: will look up
53:04 ~ 1/19/2011 5:03:59 PM ~ Nicholas: Ken Ken: ..
53:38 ~ 1/19/2011 5:04:33 PM ~ Nicholas: custodial?
53:45 ~ 1/19/2011 5:04:40 PM ~ Cathcart: snow removal , custodial...routine care.
53:59 ~ 1/19/2011 5:04:54 PM ~ Dairie: 2.50 per sq ft for maintenance. operational not including maintenance = 1.50.. brings you up to about 4.50,
54:49 ~ 1/19/2011 5:05:44 PM ~ Nicholas: Averaging 4.33 across the underground space..
55:05 ~ 1/19/2011 5:06:00 PM ~ Cathcart: 16000 sq ft parking, also other infrastructure
55:23 ~ 1/19/2011 5:06:18 PM ~ Nicholas: Pull parking out? drive office space amount up?
55:36 ~ 1/19/2011 5:06:31 PM ~ Cathcart: advised for sq ft cost..can check it out
55:58 ~ 1/19/2011 5:06:53 PM ~ Nicholas: Gov rec the same
56:03 ~ 1/19/2011 5:06:58 PM ~ Chris: Gov rec is the same..amount not be funded...funding out of state builiding commission contingency fund...pursuing options to sell this building.. costs.. or appropriate building..DEQ and Dept of Health...
57:03 ~ 1/19/2011 5:07:58 PM ~ Berger:...
57:06 ~ 1/19/2011 5:08:01 PM ~ Nicholas: Overall objective....we don't need a taj mahjal for state office space...how do we recoup investment..sell and buy bigger building or build it..budget..say you have a year to come up with a plan....replace with bldg less functionality or space.. buyer?
58:42 ~ 1/19/2011 5:09:37 PM ~ Cathcart: Real estate market in Sheridan...slightly depressed..calculations on generic office building...2.00 sq ft lot. Lots are 8.00 per sw ft...7.9 million to build it...rumors company spent 12 to 15 million to build it...appraisal.. bank = 7.9 million Assessors = 7.7 million Bought building for 5 million. Political issues: Money better spent on economic developement...opportunity..Mike McVeigh was contacted..good buy on a good building.. Worst case: Still good deal ..if it takes 2 years to sell for 7.9 million, will make 2 million. Was on market with no interest: Final offer 5.4 million..state paid 5 million..was in bankruptcy.
1:02:33 ~ 1/19/2011 5:13:28 PM ~ Nicholas: Lot is large enough to add on to building? would you ?
1:02:47 ~ 1/19/2011 5:13:42 PM ~ Cathcart: 8+ acre lot in prime commercial area
1:03:00 ~ 1/19/2011 5:13:55 PM ~ Nicholas: makes no sense to sell for 7 million and have to build a lesser quality building for that amount...UW buildings 10 million or 50 million...only ones for this price are used buildings..contingency funds to find deals..fire sale properties.. should be 3.50 or 4.00.. not issue...what would be the plan? Offered 15 million, replace for 7 million, would be prudent Doesn't make sense to sell because of Taj Mahal...can we lower costs/
1:05:16 ~ 1/19/2011 5:16:11 PM ~ Cathcart: ...believe correct..conservative numbers on replacement cost...appraisals... Build building..generic..same amenities...number = 7.9 million good deal no matter what...opportunity for investor buyer and leave state in as tenants..
1:07:02 ~ 1/19/2011 5:17:57 PM ~ Berger: space DEQ had previously was built for them specifically and now is leased out..no space in Sheridan County to accomodate what we moved to Rockwell....prime location
1:07:58 ~ 1/19/2011 5:18:53 PM ~ Nicholas: Sale price of 7.9 million would gov rec be yes?
1:08:44 ~ 1/19/2011 5:19:39 PM ~ Boswell: option to explore...
1:09:02 ~ 1/19/2011 5:19:57 PM ~ Nicholas: If someone would pay 12 - 15 we should sell...Talk about giving you authority to sell the building..Do you need authority to sell..
1:10:37 ~ 1/19/2011 5:21:32 PM ~ CAthcart: State building commission has authority to buy and sell property Nichols: policy statemetn Cathcart....
1:11:06 ~ 1/19/2011 5:22:01 PM ~ Chris: Policy statement would come in absence of funding for operations and maintenance
1:11:40 ~ 1/19/2011 5:22:35 PM ~ Nicholas: debate ...moving into austure building...not a reason...
1:12:27 ~ 1/19/2011 5:23:22 PM ~ Berger: brand new building...glitches....move DEQ in there....community input...
1:13:10 ~ 1/19/2011 5:24:05 PM ~ Meier: Approve the O and M and have a policy that says if you can sell it for enough to buy land and build another building that all state employees can fit in, do it..
1:14:00 ~ 1/19/2011 5:24:55 PM ~ Nicholas, Berger: discussion of scheduling... Nicholas: Need to meet Govenor..bring corrections on for half an hour..finsih with cap con at 7:00......
1:15:22 ~ 1/19/2011 5:26:17 PM ~ Berger: five minute break...
1:16:42 ~ 1/19/2011 5:40:23 PM ~
1:16:43 ~ 1/19/2011 5:40:24 PM ~ Lampert $109 Honor Farm $147 at Rawlins Prison 9.2% return to prision in Wyoming The national rate is 52% Our prison population is beginning rise. Probation most are returned to prison because of technical issues, usually substance abuse. The last year Opening of the prison in Torrington. 54 in the correctional officer series. Quality of applicants continues to improve. Percentage of staff that left was 14% Past the turnover was twice that amount. Some turn over is a good thing. Some tried it and didn't like it, some tried it and we didn't like them. The change in the pay policy has had a big effect. Another struggle os not having a permanent funding source. That means we have reduced ..... Our one continue concern is our sex offender outsourcing. The captilal construction that was funded has been completed.
1:27:57 ~ 1/19/2011 5:51:38 PM ~ Berger Please continue Do you want to highlite anything on page 7.
1:28:39 ~ 1/19/2011 5:52:20 PM ~ Lampert Page 8 Summary of request and priority of request. Page 15 Priority #4 Page 19 Gov. Reccomends
1:31:02 ~ 1/19/2011 5:54:43 PM ~ Von Flatern If the money is approved
1:31:22 ~ 1/19/2011 5:55:03 PM ~ Cox It would get approved and monitored by our office.
1:31:45 ~ 1/19/2011 5:55:26 PM ~ Von Flatern It would get
1:32:00 ~ 1/19/2011 5:55:41 PM ~ Cox Page 21 That is the Gov's Rec
1:32:33 ~ 1/19/2011 5:56:14 PM ~ Meier I'm not sure
1:33:03 ~ 1/19/2011 5:56:44 PM ~ Cox It will be really easy to monitor
1:33:21 ~ 1/19/2011 5:57:02 PM ~ Lampert Page 23 Overtime , shift pay, etc. Holiday Pay Cost will be $4.3 mill. Can live with $2.5 mill requested
1:34:41 ~ 1/19/2011 5:58:22 PM ~ Von Flatern Most of the operating money came from the our-ofostate bed rental.
1:35:29 ~ 1/19/2011 5:59:09 PM ~ Meier You are going to try to save 2.8 mill.
1:35:59 ~ 1/19/2011 5:59:40 PM ~ Lampert We have a policy of leaving vacancies for 90 days to get more monies
1:36:54 ~ 1/19/2011 6:00:35 PM ~ Berger Occupancy level 720, currently 650.
1:37:20 ~ 1/19/2011 6:01:01 PM ~ Lampert Shortfall for $1,000,000 Page 31 Cap Con Requests These are for Phase 1, Phase 2 It would allow for older children to stay over when release is eminant. Between the time we requested this facility a study came out that gave Wyoming an F in this category.
1:42:11 ~ 1/19/2011 6:05:52 PM ~ Berger Have talked with Cathcart about this new construction.
1:43:08 ~ 1/19/2011 6:06:49 PM ~ Lampert Yes I have.
1:43:21 ~ 1/19/2011 6:07:02 PM ~ Meier I'm trying to figure out how to rob Peter to pay Paul
1:44:35 ~ 1/19/2011 6:08:15 PM ~ Cox We take some of the utility money for the childrens center. Utilmately it would be a lot cleaner to give them 1.2 mill now or 1.2 mill next year. I think
1:46:16 ~ 1/19/2011 6:09:57 PM ~ ????? 14 to 16 pregnant mothers of 205 prisoners.
1:47:24 ~ 1/19/2011 6:11:05 PM ~ Meier I' wondering what information you have from other prisons?
1:47:57 ~ 1/19/2011 6:11:38 PM ~ Lampert The size varies from state to state based on how much room they have.
1:48:54 ~ 1/19/2011 6:12:35 PM ~ Pedersen Some of the science behind this would be nice to have to help us make a decision
1:49:39 ~ 1/19/2011 6:13:20 PM ~ Lampert That was Dan Shanon
1:50:01 ~ 1/19/2011 6:13:42 PM ~ Wallis What happens currectly to a woman who gives birth in prision
1:50:25 ~ 1/19/2011 6:14:06 PM ~ Lampert We transport them to Casper.
1:51:01 ~ 1/19/2011 6:14:42 PM ~ Lampert We have only used tthat one time
1:51:43 ~ 1/19/2011 6:15:24 PM ~ Wallis In the facility at Torrington
1:52:33 ~ 1/19/2011 6:16:14 PM ~ Shanon The term limit would be 18 months
1:52:58 ~ 1/19/2011 6:16:39 PM ~ Lampert I do have a caviet for the construction. To establish a best practice program.
1:53:46 ~ 1/19/2011 6:17:27 PM ~ Lampert: Need facility ...prison population is growing in number ..length of time and females Pg 7 of supplemental budget...forecast 10 % increase...17% increase in probation and parole 2229 prison beds needed... 2374 in prison beds...100 bed facility in Casper..good through 2015 without additional construction Cost of construction..now the cost now but not in 2015..build now and leave idle or build later at unknown cost.. ..minimum beds..longer sentences so pinch on higher custody beds... 200 immediately available in medium, higher capacity are almost full Provide low or no cost alternatives...or come back..adjust internal housing procedures..will locate 80 minimum inmates...medium custody beds would be moved to honor camp in Newcastle, higher fence, more jobs to stay busy
1:58:10 ~ 1/19/2011 6:21:51 PM ~ Pedersen: active detainers
1:58:17 ~ 1/19/2011 6:21:58 PM ~ Lampert..active wrrent or concurrent sentence ..immigration detainer..... Permit low risk sex offenders to work on road crews...totally excluding them from working outside not good policy or fiscal....from prison to community w/o transiition..work crews use could help transition..Gov. Mead does not like...believe we need to do this..
2:00:20 ~ 1/19/2011 6:24:01 PM ~ Meier: Ankle bracelets..
2:00:30 ~ 1/19/2011 6:24:11 PM ~ Lampert: No.. could do so ..cost.. under supervison of staff memeber ...ratio of 1 to 10..if going into community reduce the size...
2:01:12 ~ 1/19/2011 6:24:53 PM ~ Meier: Rawlins facility all wings open
2:01:21 ~ 1/19/2011 6:25:02 PM ~ Lampert: Yes, all wings operational
2:01:30 ~ 1/19/2011 6:25:11 PM ~ Lampert: Inc. medium bed by halfing treatment fac beds ....honor farm..give 72 more med beds..need contract revision..within budget to do so
2:02:18 ~ 1/19/2011 6:25:59 PM ~ Meier: Medium facility in Torrington gets transitioned into facility for more hihg-risk inmates
2:02:40 ~ 1/19/2011 6:26:21 PM ~ Lampert: Custody level would remain same...Treatment residential abuse to general population..
2:03:04 ~ 1/19/2011 6:26:45 PM ~ Lampert: Gain 150 more beds by adjusting internal housing processes
2:03:21 ~ 1/19/2011 6:27:02 PM ~ Berger: Started discussions?
2:03:30 ~ 1/19/2011 6:27:11 PM ~ Lamper: Internally and with Governor...who does not concur.. no additional money now, reserve right to return if ...vetoed Study at Honor Farm: lg 3 story structure...built 1920 ..does not meet safety and builidng codes..money for assessment...request concurrence Overview of Footnote Reports:
2:05:03 ~ 1/19/2011 6:28:44 PM ~ Berger: How is it working out with Casper center?
2:05:16 ~ 1/19/2011 6:28:57 PM ~ Lampert:... Casper facility: bed capacity...probably best performing therapy community at this time....not in continued funding..revist next biennium request..may do RFP in footnote
2:06:32 ~ 1/19/2011 6:30:13 PM ~ Berger: Handouts:
2:06:39 ~ 1/19/2011 6:30:20 PM ~ Lampert: Amendment to one footnote Three footnotes...each a handout.. Interim committee Footnote 1 : Feasibility of providing college level course work ..inmates less likely to go back to prison..cost of degrees less than inmate housing...cost... one time cost ..Total est cost = 325, 000 one time, annual cost of 699,200 per year. Include in 2013 and 2014 budget Policy decision or guidance from committee
2:09:13 ~ 1/19/2011 6:32:54 PM ~ Meier: Cost for pilot program...could be very effective
2:09:33 ~ 1/19/2011 6:33:14 PM ~ Lampert: Total need based on qualifying inmates...200 inmates for entire agency..no breakdown by facility for infrastructure..controlled access for online classes..think 325,000 start regardless of one institute or multiple..
2:10:37 ~ 1/19/2011 6:34:17 PM ~ Pedersen: 100 bed facility in Casper...College courses offered there?
2:11:06 ~ 1/19/2011 6:34:47 PM ~ Lampert: Some college programs offered..not on an online basis...by correctional staff...Not the way it is at CRC...
2:12:09 ~ 1/19/2011 6:35:50 PM ~ Berger: Tour of prison at Torrington..interest by this committee....
2:12:28 ~ 1/19/2011 6:36:09 PM ~ Lampert: yes prison tour open house...
2:12:38 ~ 1/19/2011 6:36:19 PM ~ Steward: Footnotes: Blackmail..to reduce recidivism have duty to provide education/college Duty to enrich lives..higher than to normal citizens..duty to pay debt to society for crimes committed..
2:13:57 ~ 1/19/2011 6:37:38 PM ~ Lampert: Constitutional obligation to provide for health care..not extended to citizens..no constitutional obligation for education..
2:14:37 ~ 1/19/2011 6:38:18 PM ~ Berger: ...opinon
2:14:44 ~ 1/19/2011 6:38:24 PM ~ Lampert: Footnote 2 ...Study found access of quality and care was above national average..over utilization of system...increases the cost of services... full-risk contract ..innovates for cost savings.. state does nto share..state employees or community availability Factors: Premium to recruit and retain staff, community providers. ... Renegotiate contract Inmate co-pay..pay has not gone up in years.. other costs already Incentive wages. request
2:17:12 ~ 1/19/2011 6:40:53 PM ~ Esquibel: 21 million of tobacco funds, used for? What programs do we use the tobacco trust money for?
2:17:53 ~ 1/19/2011 6:41:34 PM ~ Berger: Handout, Richard...
2:18:07 ~ 1/19/2011 6:41:48 PM ~ Richard: Esquibel: within department
2:18:21 ~ 1/19/2011 6:42:02 PM ~ Lampert: Substance abuse treatment, staffing for drug courts
2:18:53 ~ 1/19/2011 6:42:34 PM ~ Esquibel: No spokign policy
2:19:01 ~ 1/19/2011 6:42:42 PM ~ Lampert: No tobacco policy ..2005 implemented ...
2:19:26 ~ 1/19/2011 6:43:06 PM ~ Meier: Inmate incentive pay program..how works..prison industries..can't do piece work..federal minimum wage...copay
2:20:14 ~ 1/19/2011 6:43:54 PM ~ Lampert: Industry programs: 1. Traditional: manufacture or produce product sold to other govt entitiy..no requirement for minimum wage 2. Partnerships with private businesses.. mfc, sold across state lines..prison industries enhancement program PIE program, fed req for minimum wage..wyo statutes..money for cost of care or child support, etc... Have legal ability to put in co-pay..can inmates afford it? Dept of Justice lawsuit and settlement..nondelivery of quality health care... hesitant to go back to that...
2:22:49 ~ 1/19/2011 6:46:30 PM ~ Steward: Budget footnote to implement recommendations from this study
2:23:12 ~ 1/19/2011 6:46:53 PM ~ Steward..ability to reduce health care costs..take a bill...or budget footnote
2:23:33 ~ 1/19/2011 6:47:14 PM ~ Mai: Dave would frown upon this...
2:23:56 ~ 1/19/2011 6:47:37 PM ~ Berger: setting policy in budget
2:24:03 ~ 1/19/2011 6:47:44 PM ~ Mai: beyond scope of budget bill,..done before..not this complicated...
2:24:32 ~ 1/19/2011 6:48:13 PM ~ Berger: Rep Steward has time to draft bill
2:24:42 ~ 1/19/2011 6:48:23 PM ~ Lampert: Can implement recommendations of study internally..would like guidance from committee..The study also recommends we use local services. I feel that we are taxing the local services to the maximum already for such rural areas. Priority #3 Sex Affender program should only be extended for one year. We could not entice any applicants for that position. We would like to ammend footnote #3. Summary, Footnote #3 should be extended and allow us to spend these monies.
2:30:33 ~ 1/19/2011 6:54:14 PM ~ Berger Any other
2:30:40 ~ 1/19/2011 6:54:21 PM ~ Hastert Do you have any statistics on the sex affender program. The data is varied. I have provided those statistics in the past and is available on the website.
2:32:13 ~ 1/19/2011 6:55:54 PM ~ Berger Do we need toat least get draft language on Prority #3
2:32:42 ~ 1/19/2011 6:56:22 PM ~ Mei We won't have polished ammendment tomorrow but will have next week.
2:33:23 ~ 1/19/2011 6:57:04 PM ~
2:33:46 ~ 1/19/2011 7:09:33 PM ~ Berger: Tab that says cap con
2:33:54 ~ 1/19/2011 7:09:42 PM ~ Cathcart: Potential project reversions: Game & Fish $2mill under budget $28 mill for lab.
2:36:59 ~ 1/19/2011 7:12:46 PM ~ Pedersen Could we get a copy of that piece of paper
2:37:23 ~ 1/19/2011 7:13:10 PM ~ Nicholas $41 mill in Capital Construction. Since that isn't under a cap. consturction
2:38:22 ~ 1/19/2011 7:14:10 PM ~ Cathcart Plan for renovation of Capitol Bldg., we would have to vacate the building which would include one session , hopefully a Budget Session The St. Mary's lot would be about $70 mill. The safeway site is twice as large When you look at renovation of the Capitol will be more than $154 per square foot. 50 Mill. for renovation.
2:42:18 ~ 1/19/2011 7:18:06 PM ~ Nicholas You would build a shell ,, how would you avoid a dark middle like the Hershler Building. It's pretty easy to convert buildings. Do we have enough employees to fill a new building
2:44:08 ~ 1/19/2011 7:19:55 PM ~ Cathcart We have 350,000 square feet of leased space.
2:44:53 ~ 1/19/2011 7:20:41 PM ~ Nicholas The differnce is the feds pay the rent for federal space of combined agencies.
2:45:47 ~ 1/19/2011 7:21:34 PM ~ Cathcart When ever you want to go through the cap con request Page 10 The old Safeway building We can renovate the cost would be 2.8 mill. THe state building comm. approved it. THe gov. denied it because if we are considering build a new office.
2:49:05 ~ 1/19/2011 7:24:52 PM ~ Cathcart THe ROdgers building used to be an old Millers Super Market It would be a good location for an IT Center
2:50:12 ~ 1/19/2011 7:25:59 PM ~ Meier Is there any advantage of co-locating an IT Center and Government Office Building.
2:51:18 ~ 1/19/2011 7:27:05 PM ~ Cathcart As we moved DEQ off 4 and 5th floor of the Hathaway Building
2:52:15 ~ 1/19/2011 7:28:02 PM ~ NIcholas The Gov. Office have met and put together a 300 Concerns If a contract is let by the state etc. ..... The contract shall be let a. Shall be opened in public b. All contractor c. All bidding d. Determination of e. This section shall apply all This does not If that's what it takes to satisfy the governor. I talked with Mr. Cathcart and he said if he inventoried the project he would find out that 70% of the subcontractors were not local.
2:56:30 ~ 1/19/2011 7:32:17 PM ~ Berger Should we let people in the audiance to testfy.
2:57:39 ~ 1/19/2011 7:33:27 PM ~ Hastert HB111 has enforcement
2:58:31 ~ 1/19/2011 7:34:19 PM ~ Nancy THe 4 items alreay Senator mentioned, the first 2 are alreay being done. Items 3 & 4 can easily be addressed. When you open the bid, 18 months later, things can change. Maybe new language could
3:00:52 ~ 1/19/2011 7:36:40 PM ~ Berger Didn't we call that consruction compliance
3:01:29 ~ 1/19/2011 7:37:16 PM ~ Cathcart IN our contracts we have the right to look at their books. Unless you understand DBB templae. If they open the bids publically.
3:03:13 ~ 1/19/2011 7:39:00 PM ~ Nicholas Now do you take that bid or the next lower one.
3:03:51 ~ 1/19/2011 7:39:39 PM ~ Nicholas That is very common, we work that way in our office. We had a low bid that we are not comfortable with. so we took the next lowest. I read this out in the hallway abut I don't remember whcih is A & B
3:05:45 ~ 1/19/2011 7:41:32 PM ~ Nancy Under CMAR DBB 70 bids were submitted. It is based on the delivery system
3:07:05 ~ 1/19/2011 7:42:52 PM ~ School Facilities Once you apply the 5% local contract adjustment. Is it okay to go to the
3:08:57 ~ 1/19/2011 7:44:44 PM ~ Nancy When you get ot the point that Ken was talking about. He is already on the hook for 12 mill. But to force him to abid by that 70/30 split.
3:10:25 ~ 1/19/2011 7:46:12 PM ~ Nicholas
3:10:40 ~ 1/19/2011 7:46:27 PM ~ Nancy Your choosing that consruction GMP Some
3:11:25 ~ 1/19/2011 7:47:12 PM ~ Nicholas THe 5% is applied to the next round.
3:11:49 ~ 1/19/2011 7:47:37 PM ~ Nancy He is applying to each of the 27 bids he is opening.
3:12:29 ~ 1/19/2011 7:48:17 PM ~ Nicholas Every Wyoming contractor has a 5a5
3:13:07 ~ 1/19/2011 7:48:54 PM ~ Nancy The hard bid and alternative bid, we are trying to strike a balance. I think the Wyoming contractors are well protected.
3:14:34 ~ 1/19/2011 7:50:21 PM ~ Dar He has to submit
3:15:20 ~ 1/19/2011 7:51:07 PM ~ Nicholas Does A&I do that??
3:15:45 ~ 1/19/2011 7:51:32 PM ~ Cathcart CMAR has only been on the books for a couple of years As the design progesses. It works very well for large projects We do work with them We make it very clear to them to use Wyoming Contractors. We have had very good luck
3:18:59 ~ 1/19/2011 7:54:47 PM ~ Doug The CMAR has worked very well for us. In practice when we have a CMAR on board, we open the bids in public We reiview and sign off ..In principle make sense, doing part A, part C, using preferences in Design, Bid, Build... Full specs not known early on...time to get to guaranteed maximum price If force low bid or design bid..older approach..complex projects..will result in significant issues Bids will be submitted with gaps..cost over runs..
3:23:01 ~ 1/19/2011 7:58:49 PM ~ Meier: Specifications ...No less than two mfc or two alternatives bid or presented..?
3:23:34 ~ 1/19/2011 7:59:22 PM ~ Doug: Specifications to state performance standards....try not to specify a manufacturer or a brand
3:24:15 ~ 1/19/2011 8:00:02 PM ~ Meier: Architect..HVac system...knows only 1 manufacturer..he specifies the manufacturer
3:25:10 ~ 1/19/2011 8:00:57 PM ~ Doug: Focus on flow rates or output..so any mfc or brand who can meet standards can bid... Only exception: ex: chilled water system campus is relying on..do not entertain proposal to retrofit campus to receive proposal... Systems using...what will integrate effectively..engineers and architects work on...subcontractor will participate. FF & E - competively bid those..issue: same mfc, same brand, different states, same price. Different distribution points. Go for lowest price.. No case do we hand over decision about needs to third party..use people for advice.
3:28:17 ~ 1/19/2011 8:04:05 PM ~ Meier: Architect develops specifications...narrow ...one mfc...broad enough spec...
3:28:52 ~ 1/19/2011 8:04:39 PM ~ Nicholas: Look at federal acquisition regulations: Describe product with salient specifications Someone designated for cut sheets...mfc's always want their products specified in the cut sheets... For FF&E..a product or its salient UW - running MR's without forcing any ...below...no preference for local contractors
3:30:45 ~ 1/19/2011 8:06:32 PM ~ Doug: CMAR and subcontractors: Public bid open...Preferences: do not apply a strict percentage rule...review sub bids, encourage CMR to use Wyo subs...try to push work to Wyo contractors...45 to 54 % of dollars to Wy contractors...College of Business lowest... Most recent: 78% of dollars for Berry Center went to Wyo Contractors. Have modified our process.
3:32:44 ~ 1/19/2011 8:08:31 PM ~ Nicholas: CAn get 78% local by coaxing..why not apply system?
3:33:05 ~ 1/19/2011 8:08:52 PM ~ Doug: Avoid that ..if there is a lack of available people, speciality or available folks..creating delay in project. Issue of experience in a particular area..quality based selection process...energy efficient. Leadership of Energy and Environmental Design at Gold Standard: hjigh levels of energy efficiency in design elements and then prove out over time.. Process is helping us build energy efficient buildings Visual Arts and ERC- pursue platimum classification CMR process allows us to select people to get those classifications
3:35:44 ~ 1/19/2011 8:11:31 PM ~ Nicholas: Gimmicking a....As a taxpayer, more important to use Wyoming subcontractors than to get the certification
3:36:13 ~ 1/19/2011 8:12:01 PM ~ Doug: Third party evaluates how we have done..you get the knowledge that what we say ...
3:36:41 ~ 1/19/2011 8:12:29 PM ~ Nicholas: Exercise .....pay 50,000 to get certified... you are wanting a contractor in Laramie to go get certified so have given edge to Colorado people for edge to get certified.
3:37:31 ~ 1/19/2011 8:13:18 PM ~ Doug: Certification is not of an individual..it is of a project..I understand point..
3:38:14 ~ 1/19/2011 8:14:01 PM ~ Nicholas: Hearing a validation of contractor's complaints...gold standards..eliminated Wyo. contractors.. rather have Wyo contractors hired than tet a gold stamp.
3:38:54 ~ 1/19/2011 8:14:41 PM ~ Von Flatern: Energy efficient.... benefit to us is less operating costs..argument is cost over 50 years..takes a certain talent to do those projects to get the efficiency
3:39:34 ~ 1/19/2011 8:15:22 PM ~ Berger: Energy Efficiency...direction
3:39:51 ~ 1/19/2011 8:15:38 PM ~ Nicholas: Highest energy efficiency..if you want firms with certification, costs contractors more.....
3:41:08 ~ 1/19/2011 8:16:55 PM ~ Cathcart: We don't put stock on certifications..do instruct the design firms..that is where energy efficiency comes from, not the contractors..can get certification of building .. Insist on energy efficiency..Nothing wrong with adopting some of LEAD standards in specification. Goal is most energy efficient building.
3:43:03 ~ 1/19/2011 8:18:50 PM ~ Dariah: LEADS: US Building council..document spells out efficiency by region SFC position; require architects to design to those standards, third party validation..is that worth 300, 000 ? Valid debate.. build to standard ..do not pursue certification..some local communities choose to do so Subcontractors ..not in statutue ..apply 5% preference..self perform piece of general.. 70/30 does not apply ..complicates it.. Design, bid, build .. contains 70/30 rule Applied 5% ...but not 70/30 so 5% applied to team that wins design bid.. Did this because of evolved process...contractor association Calm last year..fair and equitable... Contractors, subcontractors, architects are pretty well protected
3:47:48 ~ 1/19/2011 8:23:35 PM ~ Peterson: CMAR - we relinquish public projects and make them public. Contractor is not obligated ...Ex: Barry Center...asked for quote on seating...not a bid..no knowlege of what was done with the information..games being played...Entities ....
3:50:29 ~ 1/19/2011 8:26:16 PM ~ Nicholas We can, by executive order, have the governor open this up. Why not do this with a relief valve. Your relief valve could be have the President of the University, Rich you could have the Governor sign off.
3:52:53 ~ 1/19/2011 8:28:41 PM ~ Cathcart I think the best is Design, Bid, Build We tried the CMAR system for the prision and we only had 1 bidder and he was 25 Mill. over estimate. All of a sudden the owner interjects a new sub
3:55:50 ~ 1/19/2011 8:31:37 PM ~ Nicholas Just tell him that 70% have to be Wyoming contractors
3:56:38 ~ 1/19/2011 8:32:26 PM ~ Hastert 166.102a The issues we have found that there has not been enforced. I know that several groups have brought that to her. She assured that she would have the workforce to enforce the local preference. Local subs are sitting at home while a parade
4:00:46 ~ 1/19/2011 8:36:33 PM ~ Doug There are provisions in our contract we use it periodically, how often do we use it. We rely on a document.
4:01:56 ~ 1/19/2011 8:37:43 PM ~ Peterson Ir reminds me of doctors reporting medicare fraud.
4:03:05 ~ 1/19/2011 8:38:52 PM ~ Cathcart We have langurage in our contracts similiar to what Hastert
4:04:58 ~ 1/19/2011 8:40:45 PM ~ Berger Come back at 8:30