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      2 ~ 1/21/2011 7:24:19 AM ~ Friday January 21, 2010  am1 Supplemental Budget Bill Markup

     24 ~ 1/21/2011 7:24:40 AM ~ Berger:  Agency 27..begin Nicholas;  Capital construction level..want a section 300 that will meet the executive branch Amendment has been vetted with almost everyone UW made good changes..sent to Governor's office..have not heard back.. Good product..getting better..did not understand problem until hearing the other day UW where a lot of complaints developing UW saying AML are federal funds so when expending those can't comply with state req. Move fed dollars then swap out the 50 millino... Facilities Commission: drastic changewith way we manage schools..in past lump sum budget for Phas 1 and 2..always ramped up...would build part of list...cause hostility.. committee said to tee up in order...do not have list..unless all dollars allocated Now do not get planning money until you get all the money..so have to tee up 100 million two years in advance.. Next year tee up for 2013..if we lose opporutnity..don't have 100 million construction...contractors starving..poor product or skip a year..lack of contract capacity Want to keep level set every year

   6:47 ~ 1/21/2011 7:31:04 AM ~ Harshman:  Pg 9 and Pg 10 of the Supplemental.. There is some planning going on but not to the level that goes to the .. ...elementary schools, Rawlins school..do not have priority list

   8:09 ~ 1/21/2011 7:32:25 AM ~ Nicholas:  Ex:  Laramie is lower than Casper, can't get to Laramie until Casper is done..so holds up everybody..if not ready won't have construction 150 million in 2012 Harshman:  Yes, with that scenerio..picking architects this week, next fall bids, dirt in Jan Nicholas:  can only do Harshman:  already have planning money from prior years.......

  10:02 ~ 1/21/2011 7:34:18 AM ~ Nicholas:  We can not get done in 2012 unless we start appropriations now Berger:  contact FPC? Nicholas:   Construction dollars do not revert unless project does not happen..money sits until built...must insist Casper hits the year we want them to hit... Harshman:  suggesting support with ..use it or lose it... Nicholas:  Casper needs to hit 2012 or go to some other project..Facilities Commission was doing that so upset other ...need 100 to 150 million construction every summer

  12:41 ~ 1/21/2011 7:36:57 AM ~ Berger:  If you have multiple phases, like Sheridan,  have a crew, then dismantle cost sheridan 5 million...that is important too... Nicholas? Harshman Harshman:  appropriated money for Casper last year...84 million for those three schools..might be back asking for third phase .. Nicholas:  Took away discretion of the school facilites commission.. discretion resides with the appropriation committee to make sure ..burn rate..projects ready to go...do not care about holding money..have enough to key up another school..Casper is too big to say go when ready..must be planned in construction cycles

  15:15 ~ 1/21/2011 7:39:32 AM ~ Edonds:  One time or long term  policy shift? Nicholas:  Bill passed..this is the way it is...Select Committee is permanent committee..we fund those recommendations..we have to tee up and make sure we have 3 to 4 years of planning Berger:  Reason for fewer projects...economic..conservative

  16:41 ~ 1/21/2011 7:40:58 AM ~ Harshman:  Three bills....Duty to follow statue where we fix the worst first...work down list..NC unique..testimony - if we did not appropriate we would lose three months..opportunity lost..if you want to appropriate that and get Natrona off the block.. to hold them to it..anything can happen Nicholas:  I don't understand what you told me..if we know Natrona is next...adhere to the list..have the money..construction go to 2012, why woudl you wait..we don't want a delay... Harshman:  No intention to wait.. Nicholas ; 2012 Harshman:  roads rerouted, houses moved, NC is ready Nicholas: suppose lawsuit and reasons unexpected, NC can't go in 2012, what isthe back up plan.. Harshman;;what is in the budget Nicholas:  Pointed out my point..If in 2012 want NC to go, fund it now and tell them to get ready..if NC comes back and says not ready, tee up next ..planning on cycles three years outside of the budget cycle Ex. UW STEM building..not built until 2003...

  21:19 ~ 1/21/2011 7:45:36 AM ~ Berger:  Can we work 27? Nicholas:  Get a section 300  Berger:  do not need section 300

  22:26 ~ 1/21/2011 7:46:43 AM ~ Harshman:  Berger: Wanted a cleaned up report:   Harshman: next ....planning  Nicholas: Authorize everything on that page to move forward.. Harshman Nicholas:  Remedys? [g 12 already out there...

  24:43 ~ 1/21/2011 7:48:59 AM ~ Meier:  Part of concern... got 7 things on design....already on list, prioritized..give them 5 million more dollars..authorize a pot of money...not use it or lose it, if they don't get act together, lose 2% on total authority..gives them incentive..

  26:12 ~ 1/21/2011 7:50:29 AM ~ Berger:   NIcholas:  All we have to do is authorize 80 million on page 10..not any

  26:40 ~ 1/21/2011 7:50:56 AM ~ Handout 37, pg 10  Nicholas:  School Facilites Handout Pg 10  Bill:

  28:17 ~ 1/21/2011 7:52:34 AM ~ Steward:  Decision depends on how money tips from foundation and how much we leave as a balance.. Berger: Steward..important to know

  28:54 ~ 1/21/2011 7:53:11 AM ~ Bill:  When looking at profiles..it is end of 2012 so ..when is appropriate time to address again..next budget bill..nothing will happen until you pass another budget bill the next year Berger:  More extensive figures..work it up Nicholas:  Tips...capital construction will affect things differently, be back next year before tips take place..

  30:27 ~ 1/21/2011 7:54:43 AM ~ Edmonds:  Resist the motion..huge chunk of budget..Wallis wanted to be part of the debate Harshman:  Pg 11 ..Douglas Primary designed and built...elementary schools....all keyed up with this motion to be designed Nicholas:  Needs index ranking on 1 - 36..

  33:20 ~ 1/21/2011 7:57:37 AM ~ Berger  I would ask the    to withdraw the motion and second.

  33:59 ~ 1/21/2011 7:58:15 AM ~ Harshman  I'm not sure how kids we are even talking aout here

  34:25 ~ 1/21/2011 7:58:41 AM ~ Meier  I would like to put into place how far this design money would go  I we put 6mill. that would design about 6 schools

  35:23 ~ 1/21/2011 7:59:39 AM ~ Harshman  We don't know what their problems are

  35:47 ~ 1/21/2011 8:00:03 AM ~ Berger Department 36

  36:00 ~ 1/21/2011 8:00:17 AM ~ Nicholas  Recomend Gov's

  36:18 ~ 1/21/2011 8:00:35 AM ~ Berger  Agency 40  Page 16,  page 14

  36:51 ~ 1/21/2011 8:01:08 AM ~ Meier  I don't recall any if we ask if this program will be any self sustaining.

  37:27 ~ 1/21/2011 8:01:44 AM ~ Berger  $434,000 was raised, $2 mill. was spent.

  37:55 ~ 1/21/2011 8:02:12 AM ~ Meier  Could we request

  38:16 ~ 1/21/2011 8:02:32 AM ~ Von Flatern  I did sit in at least some of the fees.  I think they have already looked into scavaging other personal

  39:11 ~ 1/21/2011 8:03:28 AM ~ Nicholas   If you have a bill up in Judicuary  Sometime before 10 we will go in for rollcall, then we come back or we will not ever get this done.

  40:35 ~ 1/21/2011 8:04:52 AM ~ Edmonds  I don't support G&F endevor for this project.

  41:40 ~ 1/21/2011 8:05:56 AM ~ Von FLatern  I agree that it needs to be self sustaining

  42:23 ~ 1/21/2011 8:06:39 AM ~ Nicholas  TRW is not self sustaining  The funding is a greater issue than the program

  43:08 ~ 1/21/2011 8:07:25 AM ~ Meier  We could direct it to the Revenue Committee

  43:35 ~ 1/21/2011 8:07:51 AM ~ Harshman  WE can tap

  43:50 ~ 1/21/2011 8:08:06 AM ~ Nicholas  The revenue is $450,000  The request is    Why shouldn't it come out of Water 3

  44:47 ~ 1/21/2011 8:09:03 AM ~ Berger  Move that the funds come out of General Fund into Water 3

  45:20 ~ 1/21/2011 8:09:37 AM ~ Steward   Resist this amount of course  Water Account 3 was set up for large storage.  It just doesn't fit in water development.

  46:29 ~ 1/21/2011 8:10:46 AM ~ Von Flater  I would like to amend my motion to Water 2

  47:16 ~ 1/21/2011 8:11:32 AM ~ Dean  No money in Water 2

  47:32 ~ 1/21/2011 8:11:48 AM ~ Steward   Water 3 LARGE water storage.

  48:08 ~ 1/21/2011 8:12:25 AM ~ Wallis  Water Deve. 3 is only set up for large storage

  48:41 ~ 1/21/2011 8:12:58 AM ~ Berner  Goverenors Rec.  Motion passed  Unit 45  DOT  Now or later.

  50:42 ~ 1/21/2011 8:14:58 AM ~ Nicholas  We defer highway const.  fund  ......  So this budget all that happens  He denied 24 mill.

  51:39 ~ 1/21/2011 8:15:56 AM ~ Berger  Gov.s rec is to bring it back to the full amount

  52:01 ~ 1/21/2011 8:16:18 AM ~ Berger  IS there a second.   Motion carried

  52:25 ~ 1/21/2011 8:16:42 AM ~ Cox  Unless it's one time appropriation it has to be doubled

  53:10 ~ 1/21/2011 8:17:27 AM ~ Berger  Motion to close the agency.  Lets take a break.  Lets be back at 8:25

  54:25 ~ 1/21/2011 8:55:51 AM ~ Nicholas:: ask for help so committee bills do not come up todya Esquibel:  if bill is on GF? Berger:  ask them to move it down

  55:16 ~ 1/21/2011 8:56:42 AM ~ Berger:  Agency Dept 48  Unit 120 : Adjusted amount:  tax refund elderly and disable account.. current numbers through end of Dec... Page 9 ..reduction in the fund request because of actual numbers...600,000 request

  56:57 ~ 1/21/2011 8:58:23 AM ~ Nicholas Berger:  600,000  Von Flatern: motion Motion carries Gov's rec carried

  57:33 ~ 1/21/2011 8:58:59 AM ~ Berger:  Unit 420 CHIP program Gov rec: carried Unit 461 ..pg 20 is description... Nicholas:  pg 21.. what has changed from Gov. Mead from Gov .. Berger: no change Von Flatern motion  Bill:  Written explanation on page 20 Nicholas: wants to unravel..gov's rec takes the narrative also Bill:  act seperately..not reflected in the bottom line so additional 25 million is not part of this Nicholas:  Motion on floor does not include medicaid Wallis:  Does gov rec. on page 19 ..not 66.2 GF; fed funds..AAR funds received or could be in jeopardy Bill:  Suggested reserve fund for AARA funds not available in .... Cox:  Wallis talking about 171...not the AARA WAllis: Trying to sort it out..25 million set aside..note 66.2, ...adds upt to 171...  Berger: motion on floor is 171..25 is seperate motion Bill:  Committee needs to be clear that 48  is a set aside for 13 - 14 for funds not available from AARA..unless footnote ...dept shall not spend any of this .  without language the department can spend this fund Edmonds:  clarify:  Motion for first paragraph, 2nd fro set aside and third for .. Bill: time out

1:03:33 ~ 1/21/2011 9:04:59 AM ~ Berger:  Discussion Nicholas:  171 million on page 21, a portion is a carryforward amount to be used in enxt biennium..would like amount identified before vote Von Flatern:  19 million AARA funds, not related to ..or footnote Berger:   Von Flatern:  171 based on federal and state..25 million set aside..bottom is informational note to be prepared to backfill funds ..in past..Dispense with first motion Berger: Meier:  25 million does not show up in the 171..why not on spreadsheet? Bill:  The 25, 48 are being set aside, not included in numbers on page 21. Page 21 stands alone..so must vote seperately to put funds aside.. Harshman:  Gov 2nd paragraph... Bill:  Profile on front of book..clear where it all fits but not included in numbers on page 21 Nicholas:  Staff Analysis of growth load...Did we do something to confirm that the 66 millino of GF was really required? Bill:  Do have some infor prepared..committee does not have it..Dawn Nicholas:  Would it affect the decision to go forward? Bill:  shows growth..does not answer the question of amount of money background of how  they arrived at these numbers, more peritent  pg 18 and 19 Berger: right Nicholas: ..extrapolatino Bill:

1:10:06 ~ 1/21/2011 9:11:32 AM ~ Jill:  Pg 19..actual costs for running medicais..based on averages..two year avgs.. bottom of page..highest cost, avg cost..took two years becasue we budget that way..2009/2010 avg by growth rate for 2011 Nicholas:  Auditor's reserve Jill: 25 million NIcholas:  gov turn loose or legislative actions Jill:  Gov can release 9 million Wallis: pg 19  66.2 derived from....highest ...where did 66.2 millino come from Jill:  last column ...projected there number too high for avg seeing..public health agreed..took entire dept of health..projected Dept of Health will have extra 5 million...took expenditures an dran out for 24 months..have about 6 million ..

1:13:25 ~ 1/21/2011 9:14:51 AM ~ Nicholas: Motion pg 21..The GF is 66+ million....reduce that amount by 25 million..down to 49+ .There will be a corresponding reduction in federal money. 2nd part:  Modify restriction to allow the entire 25 million to be accessed by the Governor. When the Governor accesses that 25 million, it will ratchet in the federal dollars..so Von Flatern:  Putting 25 million more in medicaid so why are we taking it now..... Nicholas:  I would not support putting more money in..money is in LRSA..need to get budget under control...auditor's reserve for medicaid. at a time when we did not have an LRSA..concern of having money..not in same circumstances...What will agenchy live on?   Provide sufficient money to meet the Gov rec..if can't will have to ask for more burn rate about 30 or 40 million a month Bill:   Nicholas:  394 divided by 24 Von Flatern: Pg 19 shows the average... Berger Nicholas:  55 million short is one month..so  Bringing new director in..numbers influenced by employment rate..coming back up..hope for positive impact

1:18:21 ~ 1/21/2011 9:19:47 AM ~ Berger:  consequences on federal funds Bill:  ..high costs, avg costs is total fed and state..about 50/50..dept is carrying forward a 21 million hole from ... Nicholas:  have to stop carrying forward holes Berger:  Additional funds coming in ..have not heard yet Von Flatern:  21 million in original request..covered somewhere else Bill:  Part  25 in auditors reserve ..

1:20:45 ~ 1/21/2011 9:22:11 AM ~ Nicholas  That is something they could do through the B11 process3

1:22:33 ~ 1/21/2011 9:23:59 AM ~ Nicholas  Reduce by 25 Million Governor then can access that monies

1:23:19 ~ 1/21/2011 9:24:45 AM ~ Meier  Is that any percentage burn?

1:23:44 ~ 1/21/2011 9:25:10 AM ~ Jill   They burn that first

1:23:55 ~ 1/21/2011 9:25:21 AM ~ Berger  Motion carries

1:24:08 ~ 1/21/2011 9:25:34 AM ~ Nicholas  The testing of the medicaid once or twice a hear.  Is that something that is DFS mandated

1:24:59 ~ 1/21/2011 9:26:25 AM ~ Dawn  As I understand it they could change it.  BUt that is

1:25:26 ~ 1/21/2011 9:26:52 AM ~ Edmonds   I know going from teh 12 to 6    In getting    The department needs to be more diligent

1:26:15 ~ 1/21/2011 9:27:41 AM ~ Nicholas  It is my expectation that there will be an agrgesive effort to stay within that budget

1:26:59 ~ 1/21/2011 9:28:25 AM ~ Dawn  Actually for Dept. of Falmily Services administers that budget   DSF would like to get more information out of it.

1:28:05 ~ 1/21/2011 9:29:31 AM ~ Meier  Have we had an official ruling from the feds that if we have a six month eligibiliy test that we sould lose federal funds.  The is not use to spend extra money for adomation system if there is no bennifit.

1:29:46 ~ 1/21/2011 9:31:12 AM ~ Dawn  I think they would like to have that guidance   I'm not sure,  you might want to have the agency come to you with wording.

1:31:02 ~ 1/21/2011 9:32:28 AM ~ Meier  The Dept. would seek info.

1:31:38 ~ 1/21/2011 9:33:04 AM ~ Nicholas  Seek and Impliment a six month eligibility test.  Also impliment software changes.

1:32:46 ~ 1/21/2011 9:34:11 AM ~ Meier  With that motion, we pulled in DFS.

1:33:13 ~ 1/21/2011 9:34:39 AM ~ Nicholas  I feel that we get a benefit eithier way from the modernization.

1:34:01 ~ 1/21/2011 9:35:27 AM ~ Dawn  DFS is cooridnating with

1:34:29 ~ 1/21/2011 9:35:55 AM ~ Nicholas  If they can B!! it, you could do it anyway.  If not they would have to wait for appropriations.

1:35:34 ~ 1/21/2011 9:37:00 AM ~ Wallis  I'm almost certain that I signed a document that if my income increased my assistance would change immediately.

1:36:24 ~ 1/21/2011 9:37:50 AM ~ Down  Still the same, some might FORGET.

1:36:46 ~ 1/21/2011 9:38:12 AM ~ Wallis  SO under that scenero if their income increases after first month, they are on the program for the rest of teh year.

1:38:15 ~ 1/21/2011 9:39:41 AM ~ Berger   The fraud component of it is rather small   I believe we have an amended motion on the floor.

1:39:13 ~ 1/21/2011 9:40:39 AM ~ Mai  Did Section 3 pass

1:39:58 ~ 1/21/2011 9:41:24 AM ~ Nicholas I move we reject the 25 mil

1:40:42 ~ 1/21/2011 9:42:08 AM ~ Mai  I think that was the overall pic of the overall budget.

1:41:30 ~ 1/21/2011 9:42:56 AM ~ Nicholas  THe effect of these two motions   The GOv.  has accesss to the same amount money as before.  All I'm saying is that we don't park money in the Auditors OfficeWe could have done the same thing ......It seems like if

1:43:29 ~ 1/21/2011 9:44:55 AM ~ Berger  Motion carried  Unit 461  462

1:44:07 ~ 1/21/2011 9:45:33 AM ~ Cox  Time out  How are we suppose to deal with shortfall from FY10  The gov's rec was that we handle it that way.

1:45:16 ~ 1/21/2011 9:46:42 AM ~ Nicholas  We take care of it with budgeted funds

1:45:44 ~ 1/21/2011 9:47:10 AM ~ Berger   Unit 462  Gov's Rec.  Motion Carries  Unit 463

1:46:22 ~ 1/21/2011 9:47:48 AM ~ Peterson  We need some clarification  SF0029 is 1.27 in general funds matches up with Federal funds

1:47:43 ~ 1/21/2011 9:49:09 AM ~ Von Flatern  The Bill Senator Peterson's  is 2.5  This would be in addition 480

1:48:51 ~ 1/21/2011 9:50:17 AM ~ Dawn  We are not familar with the BIll

1:49:11 ~ 1/21/2011 9:50:37 AM ~ Peterson  We are just alerting the staff so we don't double appropriate

1:49:45 ~ 1/21/2011 9:51:10 AM ~ Nicholas  What is the general fund obligation?

1:50:18 ~ 1/21/2011 9:51:44 AM ~ Berger  Motion Carried

1:50:31 ~ 1/21/2011 9:51:57 AM ~ Von Flatern  On you desk is a haundout tor local providers    It shows what it will take to

1:51:38 ~ 1/21/2011 9:53:04 AM ~ Nicholas   THey have already been treated better than most.

1:52:40 ~ 1/21/2011 9:54:06 AM ~ Von Flatern  The fact is they do a good job and if they don't do it,  they expense will be born by the State of Wyoming  If we can bring these people up to standard  My last figure was closer to 360

1:55:07 ~ 1/21/2011 9:56:33 AM ~ Mieie  It moves us down the road but not as fully

1:55:35 ~ 1/21/2011 9:57:01 AM ~ Nicholas  Everyone has budget problems.

1:56:35 ~ 1/21/2011 9:58:01 AM ~ Von Flatern   I could have brought that in.

1:56:57 ~ 1/21/2011 9:58:23 AM ~ Peterson  THe complaint I heard were disporportioned to

1:57:50 ~ 1/21/2011 9:59:16 AM ~ Berger Failed    We better go.  Will start with 482  Will come back after 3rd reading.