File name: JACBudgetHearings2013_20130114_174050.dcr Folder: C:\Documents and Settings\happropriations\My Documents\JAC Audio 2013 0 ~ 1/14/2013 5:43:36 PM ~ Baron: Transfer mnoey. Budget funds part of the offices in the rest of the state. We have 21 counties. elected officials, slaries set locally for 4 years. Max is upt to 100,000 per year. Deputy or asst is set with consent of board of county commissioners also. Statute 18...requires that state pays 1/2 of of county attorney salary and up to cap. The remainder is paid by the local county in which they are located. 4% Budget cut. governor recommended that only 2% be cut. 0 ~ 1/14/2013 5:43:36 PM ~ Start Recording 4 ~ 1/14/2013 5:43:40 PM ~ Jnaury 14, 2013 Agency 160 - County and Prosectuing Attorney presented budget. 34 ~ 1/14/2013 5:44:11 PM ~ Stubson 38 ~ 1/14/2013 5:44:14 PM ~ Baron: would require legislative statute to change if paying less than statute. 1:06 ~ 1/14/2013 5:44:42 PM ~ Richards: prepared bill to effecuate reduced funding. 4% is close to the budget capacity. Possible to meet all statutory requirements under 96% of budget but probably not likely. 1:44 ~ 1/14/2013 5:45:20 PM ~ Perkins: AG budget removal of 175,000 for high profile cases. Court security commission revamped rules. How do you feel about that cut? 2:55 ~ 1/14/2013 5:46:31 PM ~ Baron: would prefer to keep those funds for high profile cases..I hve not had to apply for those funds. Problem that Mr. Blonigan expressed... I have not had that need. 4:13 ~ 1/14/2013 5:47:49 PM ~ Perkins: Case loads for county prosecuting attorneys..increases in staffing over last 8 to 10 years. 4:55 ~ 1/14/2013 5:48:31 PM ~ Baron: I can not go back and look at my case loads..need to get you statistics. In juvenile cases increased claims. Out comes are better but putting a lot of time into those type of cases. Add up the time for each, caseload is dropping tosome day but single point of entry cases went up but now are dropping. Criminal offenses dropping, esp. for minors but amount of time spent has increased. 6:52 ~ 1/14/2013 5:50:28 PM ~ Perkins: Home placement for juvenile, direct cause and effect for time spent and those type of c ases. 7:14 ~ 1/14/2013 5:50:50 PM ~ Baron: yes I do. I think there is a direct connection. Juvenile crime.. juvenile diversion, juvienile probabtion. Group types. Middle group is avoiding behavior, seeing drop there. 8:14 ~ 1/14/2013 5:51:51 PM ~ perkins: Between 4 and 8% cut, what do you see the effects on your office and across the state. Effect on crimes and progress on juvenile cases? 9:13 ~ 1/14/2013 5:52:49 PM ~ Baron: Ther will be a cost shift from state govt down to local funding. 9:42 ~ 1/14/2013 5:53:18 PM ~ Perkins: specifics? cost shifting success? 9:57 ~ 1/14/2013 5:53:34 PM ~ Baron: There will be a cost shift down. If there is 8% there will be cuts of people, depending on the county. 10:59 ~ 1/14/2013 5:54:35 PM ~ Perkins: If you lose a person, how will your office priorize the work that you do? 11:14 ~ 1/14/2013 5:54:51 PM ~ Baron: Prioritizing thinngs..civil side would drop off to some degree, serious criminal would be prosecuted, won't shift to municipalities becaue they have shifted to the county already. In my district, they do not prosecute anything that will cost them money (the town). Towns will get rid of ordinances to not pay for costs..They write "state Offense" on the ticket. 12:55 ~ 1/14/2013 5:56:31 PM ~ Bebout: Does the county pay for all the staff? How many do you have? 13:17 ~ 1/14/2013 5:56:53 PM ~ Baron: two attorneys, one secretary, once victim witness coordinator. My salary paid by the county. My deputy is paid half by state and half by county. Secretary is fully funded by county. Victim witness coord is paid by grant..soem type of partial match. 14:10 ~ 1/14/2013 5:57:47 PM ~ bebout: 21 counties..400,000 peopel cost and overhead. Two district attornies cost the sam eto do about 25% of the population. to take care of a lesser group of people costs about the same. Perspective? 15:07 ~ 1/14/2013 5:58:43 PM ~ Baron: From states' perspective the cost is the same. If all 21 counties opted into the district attorney system would cost he state an additional amount per biennium. 15:45 ~ 1/14/2013 5:59:22 PM ~ Bebout: Why is cost the same to serve 1/4 of population versus the cost for 3/4 of the population? Attorney generals office may be able to answer. Numbers and size of population. 16:27 ~ 1/14/2013 6:00:03 PM ~ Baron: 16:33 ~ 1/14/2013 6:00:09 PM ~ Bebout: Two district attorneys cost 9 million for everything and you have about 6 million for the other 21 counties.. 35% overhead factor.. 9 million for 21 counties. do not have staff in there maybe. Almost 9 million taking care of two counties, 17:22 ~ 1/14/2013 6:00:58 PM ~ Baron: Take 6 million and multiply by two. 17:53 ~ 1/14/2013 6:01:29 PM ~ bebout: Salry for crook county is 78,000. if you biennialize. District attorneys are for two year budgets. 18:18 ~ 1/14/2013 6:01:54 PM ~ Richards: You are looking at primarily the state portion. 18:33 ~ 1/14/2013 6:02:09 PM ~ Bebout: I am not. Handout Page 5.. .... 19:31 ~ 1/14/2013 6:03:07 PM ~ Harshman: HO 162 Fiscal year 13, fiscal year 14. total on fy 14 is 6.1 million of state dollars. 19:57 ~ 1/14/2013 6:03:34 PM ~ Bebout: Fiscal yaer 12. 6.8 million, state reimbursed 2 milion. DA's are biennialized. part of difference ..out of snyc in terms of dollars. 20:45 ~ 1/14/2013 6:04:21 PM ~ Nicholas: doing more than criminal work.. strengthens your argument. 21:05 ~ 1/14/2013 6:04:41 PM ~ Harshman: 3.9 and 4.1 so about 8 million. 2.9 biennalized to about 6 million. 21:24 ~ 1/14/2013 6:05:00 PM ~ Nicholas: elimination of 4 deputites..How did you come up twith that figure? 21:47 ~ 1/14/2013 6:05:23 PM ~ Baron: A number based on amount of money and talking to people. Some commissioners have already cut back. 22:39 ~ 1/14/2013 6:06:16 PM ~ Nicholas: Example: Crook county.. losing 2500 does not represent losing a position. 23:12 ~ 1/14/2013 6:06:48 PM ~ Baron: A 2500 dollar impact won't make a difference in orur office. We will go back and ask for that. Still more than when the law was changed 5 years ago. 23:41 ~ 1/14/2013 6:07:17 PM ~ Nicholas: numbers of prosecutors and deputy pros over past 10 years. 23:58 ~ 1/14/2013 6:07:34 PM ~ Baron: Up to 75 assistant, one unfilled positino, 24:17 ~ 1/14/2013 6:07:53 PM ~ Nicholas: Appear we will have additional cuts in future. How are they going to address it? 24:44 ~ 1/14/2013 6:08:20 PM ~ Baron: Same way they are now. No way to pro rate out. Budget amendment...8% cut in future will have greater impact, will haveto decide on employment of people. 25:38 ~ 1/14/2013 6:09:15 PM ~ Harshman: Thank you for your patience. 25:47 ~ 1/14/2013 6:09:23 PM ~ 006 AandI...Dean Fausset and Rory Horsley. 26:44 ~ 1/14/2013 6:10:20 PM ~ Harshman: Director take through presentation. 27:23 ~ 1/14/2013 6:11:00 PM ~ Fausset: three topics, which would you like to address first. callback request to reduce A and I budget.. looking at risk mgt pool. 2. update on distance education 3. Recommendations for emplyee comp. 28:11 ~ 1/14/2013 6:11:47 PM ~ harshman: Distance Education, then insuirance pool then salaries. 28:33 ~ 1/14/2013 6:12:10 PM ~ Fausset: 2010 legilation distance education and video conferencing. appropriation for 2.5 millino to UW. Wyoming Distance Learning Center formed, broad mission, reached to UW, community colleges, municipa;ities.. Non-duplicative in nature, promote education for adults primarily. WDLC requested anotehr 2.6 million last year for biennium budget. Section 316 of session laws...funds would be held in state auditors office. JAC declined to support the budget request presented. Original funding did not revert back, carried forward therough 2014. Transferred duties back. Eff July 1, 2012, WDLC moved under A and I. Former director decided effectiveness was lacking. Suggested termination. Request sent to Governor. My duty to close that organization at UW and repurpose it, restructure it under AandI. Signed a memo of understanding with UW to terminate center eff. Nove 2, 2012. Process of reorganizing and restructuring. Repurposed positions in and I. Funding available but no positions. They were positions at UW. Two AandI positions repurposed and used the WDLC funding to support it. Repurposed a position that was a trainer. Those three psotions are forming a new org. supporting distance educaiton with state govt. Auth from gov for 715,00 through a B-11. Funding for two positions and support cost of putting it together. Positions filled. Working with Dept of Ent. Tech, which they can provide aqt a much reduced cost. Examples. Ways to streamline. Focus on producing enterprise education for adults in govt ...Money through June of 2014. To go forward will require approval from gov and supplemental request. 36:31 ~ 1/14/2013 6:20:07 PM ~ Harshman: Ins. Risk Pool 36:49 ~ 1/14/2013 6:20:26 PM ~ Fausset: Risk Management section handout...numbered 157. Questions of history of risk mgt pool. from previous meeting. Two tables on handout show std budget history over last 10 years.. FY 97 Std budget was 2.4 million, in FY 13 it is now at 11 million.Expenditurexs listed. Some growth as far as expenditures inr isk mgt pool 39:13 ~ 1/14/2013 6:22:49 PM ~ Bebout: 4 years prior to 97? 39:22 ~ 1/14/2013 6:22:58 PM ~ Fausset: Unable to put those numbers together with time we had so I used last 5 years. Remaining two columsn on chart. Acrue interst. For last tow years RMP has accrued a little over 3 million in interest. Risk mgt pool is increasing with interest. Last column on right refers to insurance reimbursements. State purchases ins policies on various things. AFter deductible is paid, a certain amount may come back to the state. 2.8 million back as a result on ins. reimbursement. Insurance pool is receiving 3 to 5 million per year. Bottom chart is running total of balance of insurance pool. 7.2 million up to 48 million cash balance. 42:24 ~ 1/14/2013 6:26:00 PM ~ Stubson: Have you had acturiarial analysis to tell you what should be in the fund? 42:42 ~ 1/14/2013 6:26:18 PM ~ Fausset: Yes, report provided to JAC. An acturiarial will never tell you how much, confirmed that the pool was sound. 43:15 ~ 1/14/2013 6:26:51 PM ~ Stubson: suggested range of around 30 million? 43:24 ~ 1/14/2013 6:27:01 PM ~ Fausset: yes..risk pool must hve enough funds, people can go back 3 years and file claims, roughly 36 million. 43:54 ~ 1/14/2013 6:27:31 PM ~ Nicholas: HO 157. 2003 to 2004, jump up of 4 millino per year? 44:14 ~ 1/14/2013 6:27:50 PM ~ Nicholas: In terms of std budget 44:25 ~ 1/14/2013 6:28:01 PM ~ Fausset: no specifics today, will get back to you. 44:36 ~ 1/14/2013 6:28:12 PM ~ Nicholas: Plan to bieenialize the budget cut in the future? 44:47 ~ 1/14/2013 6:28:23 PM ~ Fausset: original suggestion wa to reduce amount of money in pool by 1.5 million which would reduce amount of money appropriated by std budget. 45:12 ~ 1/14/2013 6:28:48 PM ~ Nicholas: 3 million next bieenium budget. 45:22 ~ 1/14/2013 6:28:59 PM ~ Horsley: Not necessrily doubled..did not feel pool could supoort doubling. More than 1.5 million but not as high as 3 million. 46:10 ~ 1/14/2013 6:29:47 PM ~ Bebout: 2.8 million on original, .. 46:23 ~ 1/14/2013 6:30:00 PM ~ Harshman: Out of 3.1 million, most is liability pool, utitlies which an not be biennialized. 46:49 ~ 1/14/2013 6:30:25 PM ~ Fausset: Agree, has proposal 46:59 ~ 1/14/2013 6:30:36 PM ~ Bebout: 2.8 milion can not b bienn. 47:09 ~ 1/14/2013 6:30:46 PM ~ Fausset: HO 158. Two proposals.. Proposal A looks at request to go back and request how 8% can be met without going to risk bpool. ain order to meet reduction...4 vacant positions. eliminate position of adminsitrative support. only adm support in budget division. positon 2509. 50:08 ~ 1/14/2013 6:33:44 PM ~ Harhsman: 50:11 ~ 1/14/2013 6:33:47 PM ~ Fausset: Reduce printing by 10,000. position plus printing total reduction would be 133,...General service division 18,000 from surplus property area. Biggest change is risk mgt pool. Reduction of 1.5 millino, reduce by 408+ thousand. eliminate postion in central mail in second half of bieenium. Result in reduction in force. k35,00 for housekeeping and supplies. total of 49+ thousand. Utilites: reduced by 500,000 dollars, that remainds unchanged. Const. magt. elimnate another position in risk mgt section. tech. position for mgt team. vacant position. 91,000. reduce contracural svsc by 50,000 in construction mgt divd to conduct appraisal svcs. Some has ben reverted in the past. 141,000 in const. mgt. Leasing reduced by 700,000. Many agencies moving from leased to state owned space. Human resource sdiv. vacant position, customer svc position. which provides services to applicants applying for state jobs. Eliminate that postition for 18 months..93, 000. HR Div reduce 900 sereis by 500,000 primarily for contractural services. In past the HAY group studies. market analysis and market surveys. Enterprise training for state supervisors, contract with community colelges around the state. state library vacancy. eliminate it. 18 months fiscal services for acquisition of material for libraries around state and school.. Reduce 297 object code, license and data base mgt, 58:44 ~ 1/14/2013 6:42:20 PM ~ Nicholas: 500,000 from contact services can not be biennialized, one time reduction? 59:05 ~ 1/14/2013 6:42:41 PM ~ Fausset: One time. T 59:26 ~ 1/14/2013 6:43:02 PM ~ Nicholas: Trying not to FIG? 59:33 ~ 1/14/2013 6:43:09 PM ~ Fausset: That would be our priority. 59:44 ~ 1/14/2013 6:43:21 PM ~ Harshman: Proposal B, 59:52 ~ 1/14/2013 6:43:28 PM ~ Fausset: Proposal B does not eliminate the filled positon in mail room. Prop A eliminates 6. Proposal B eliminates 5. Net result on bottom of pae. 1:00:31 ~ 1/14/2013 6:44:07 PM ~ Harshman: 6 in addition to orignal two in gov.. 1:00:42 ~ 1/14/2013 6:44:18 PM ~ Fausset: original proposal of 2 plus 4 for a total of 6. 1:01:06 ~ 1/14/2013 6:44:42 PM ~ Nicholas: Leasing 700,000 biennialize 1:01:19 ~ 1/14/2013 6:44:55 PM ~ Horsley: One time number, can not afford to biennialize. 1:01:30 ~ 1/14/2013 6:45:07 PM ~ Nicholas: come back with 8% will have major RIF? 1:01:42 ~ 1/14/2013 6:45:19 PM ~ Fausset: will have to reduce programs and positions. 1:01:53 ~ 1/14/2013 6:45:29 PM ~ Nicholas: Have agency considered pay cuts? 1:02:02 ~ 1/14/2013 6:45:38 PM ~ Fausset: Do not know if we can do that for just our employees..statewide issue, would look to programs. 1:02:21 ~ 1/14/2013 6:45:58 PM ~ Harshman: salries 1:02:46 ~ 1/14/2013 6:46:22 PM ~ FAusset: slaries - originally suggested for Hay group to attend, 7000 cost for a one day event. 1:03:33 ~ 1/14/2013 6:47:10 PM ~ Fausset: Brief overview, actual ..HO Employee compensation, powerpoint presentation. Handout 187. 2008 contracted with the hay group. Look at all ste jobs, what they were doing. Result was a classification titel, created pay tables. pay plan administration. Performance mgt system dev. in last year. History. March 2010, 1:06:46 ~ 1/14/2013 6:50:22 PM ~ Fausset: Handout on ipad has two more pages. July of 2010 moved all employees onto a new pay structure. All employees brought to the minimum of their pay grade. cost was 5.7 million. Money was found within agencies 100 series. ONly 2400 rec. pay increase, which is GF. Agencies found that money. July 2011, moved employees to 85% of market policy, legislation approved moving ot 91%, 44,228 employees moved to 91% of market. 1:08:48 ~ 1/14/2013 6:52:25 PM ~ harshman: still have 7 million in bank? How did it work? 1:09:05 ~ 1/14/2013 6:52:41 PM ~ Jones: The primary thing was the rate holiday. June and July rate holiday. That spending authority remained out in the agencies. Gov rec and intent to preserve...did analysis of need by agency..Via B-11. Took into rate holiday so very few needed money. 1:10:28 ~ 1/14/2013 6:54:04 PM ~ Harshman: 7 of the 77 left? 1:10:37 ~ 1/14/2013 6:54:14 PM ~ Jones: 7 million in the auditors office. 7.6 million. 1:11:00 ~ 1/14/2013 6:54:36 PM ~ Harshman: Money still available? 1:11:11 ~ 1/14/2013 6:54:47 PM ~ Jones: still there, 1:11:19 ~ 1/14/2013 6:54:55 PM ~ Bebout: Handout 183. 1:11:28 ~ 1/14/2013 6:55:04 PM ~ Perkins: 1% social security tax has come back so at 7.65 for employee and emploer portion. Are we coverd on that or 1:12:12 ~ 1/14/2013 6:55:48 PM ~ Jones: We did not adjust for federal contributions so budget dollars remained at level they had always been. 1:13:03 ~ 1/14/2013 6:56:40 PM ~ Perkins: So we have 1% of slaires left, not expended last year. 1:13:18 ~ 1/14/2013 6:56:54 PM ~ Jones: Warrant examinination. 1:13:30 ~ 1/14/2013 6:57:07 PM ~ Agar: Rate was reduced for employee only, not the employer. 1:14:06 ~ 1/14/2013 6:57:43 PM ~ Fausset: 2004 to 2011 compensation history of raises for state employees. prior to 2010, most empls received external cost adjustments until hay study implemented. 1:14:45 ~ 1/14/2013 6:58:21 PM ~ Bebout: compounded? 1:14:50 ~ 1/14/2013 6:58:27 PM ~ Fausset: correct. employee distribution of where employees are at in their pay band. ON classified pay scale, 100% is considered market. comparable employee in another organization. 78% of state employees are below the market position of 100%. gave percentages. 21% are at or above the market. 1:16:30 ~ 1/14/2013 7:00:06 PM ~ Bebout: Does the Hay study take into consideration the markets down in the last two or three years? salaries have come down 10 or 15% 1:17:03 ~ 1/14/2013 7:00:39 PM ~ Fausset: Market policy position is when pay table was implemented in Jan of 2010. Since then the markets have changed. We contracted with the Hay group, slalry survey this past year. Result of that survey Last slide of hnadout. Mkts up and down, opinion of pay group that pay grades have fallen behind by 3%. Medical field has fallen behind by 5%. Opinion of pay group is that since 2010, state employees have gone down by 3%. 1:19:23 ~ 1/14/2013 7:02:59 PM ~ Stubson: people up to 91%, people still udner? 1:20:01 ~ 1/14/2013 7:03:38 PM ~ Fausett: did move all employees to 91%. The pay table was no adjusted so new hires wer hired at less than 91% of market. 1:20:38 ~ 1/14/2013 7:04:14 PM ~ Stubson: Adjustment of pay tables? how? 1:20:52 ~ 1/14/2013 7:04:28 PM ~ Fausset: Reevaluate pay tables on a conitinuous basis, minimum of the pay table, makret position and maxium are adjusted. Have not adjusted since 2010. Could have raised minimum but did not do that. 1:21:38 ~ 1/14/2013 7:05:15 PM ~ Nicholas: Hay study cost? 1:21:51 ~ 1/14/2013 7:05:27 PM ~ Fausset: can provide report from Hay group. not exact detail. mkt survey with hay group 60 and 65, 000 dollars. 4268 of employee are at 91% of market. 1:23:00 ~ 1/14/2013 7:06:37 PM ~ Fausset: PMI, performance mgt system. AandI implemented a new perf system, at direction of Gov mead without hiring a consultant. Trained state employees on e-learning platform. previous system had 3 point scale. New system has 5 point scale. Definitions of rating levels. on handout. All employees have had performance evaluation. Ratings aggregated statewide. 75% at competent level. 14% at commendable. 5% superior 6% improvement growth necessary. 1% unsatisfactory. Vast variation between agencies. All agencies did not rate the same. 1:27:51 ~ 1/14/2013 7:11:28 PM ~ Fausset: Recommendation: Distribution of the 8.5 million dollars. Calculated amount of money available , gov letter. calculated one year GF, UW receives about 20% of GF payroll, 2+million. Executive branch receives about 57%, 4+ million. Judicial branch 3% of GF, community colleges 12%, 1 million, Combined is 8.5 million for payr raises the gov recommended. Out of the 8.5 million, the executive branch share is 4 million. 1:31:23 ~ 1/14/2013 7:15:00 PM ~ Fausset: merit and market pay. Determining amount of money available to agencies for distribution. Max amount director can give is 2000 which is one time bonus, each agency director must submit to AandI to gov for approval. Recognizes thtat each agency is different and gives director ability to recognize employees in a different manner. ratings vary from agency to agency. 1:34:27 ~ 1/14/2013 7:18:03 PM ~ Stubson: Merit bonuses to the competent level, discussion of limiting it to higher levels. 1:34:50 ~ 1/14/2013 7:18:26 PM ~ Fausset: Much discussion on the topica. Some of the rationale for giving to those who are competent is that roughly 1/3 of state employees have not received pay raise for the last 4 years. 1:35:38 ~ 1/14/2013 7:19:14 PM ~ harshman: 1:35:42 ~ 1/14/2013 7:19:18 PM ~ Fausset: market side of the table. Recommend that AandI will distribute, vary on where the employee is on the pay scale. We are suggesting that employees that are furtheest from mkt position would receive the largest increase. Those that are closer would receive smaller inc. An employee will not receive above the mkt rate. Under 91$, a 3% adjustment. No mkt adjustment for those at or above mkt. Can fund this increase with the 4.8 million. Intent is to move employees farther from market closer to market sooner. 78% of all employess eligivle for increase at between 1 and 3%. 1:38:28 ~ 1/14/2013 7:22:04 PM ~ Moniz: Reoccuring pay increase..how does it impact benefit and retirement. 1:38:43 ~ 1/14/2013 7:22:19 PM ~ Fausset: pay adjustment does affect their retirement withhloding. 1:38:57 ~ 1/14/2013 7:22:33 PM ~ Burkhart: Chart..who generated the ratings? 1:39:13 ~ 1/14/2013 7:22:49 PM ~ Fausset: by A and I. 1:39:21 ~ 1/14/2013 7:22:58 PM ~ Burkhart: 1:39:25 ~ 1/14/2013 7:23:01 PM ~ Fausset: Every supervisor met with employees and evaluated them. numbers represent the avg overall rating by agency. 1:39:59 ~ 1/14/2013 7:23:35 PM ~ Burkhart: If an agency decided to rate all their people highly, rather than an agency that rated accurately. one would take a hit, one would take a benefit. 1:40:27 ~ 1/14/2013 7:24:04 PM ~ Fausset: yues, some agencies did that. Our proposal gives every agency their proportional amount of funds available. they can dispense funds available. 1:41:05 ~ 1/14/2013 7:24:41 PM ~ Burkhart: lookin at just merit, if rate people highly , get a larger piece of pie 1:41:27 ~ 1/14/2013 7:25:04 PM ~ Fausset: not true.. distributed on agency's GF payroll compared to the state payroll. Distribution not based on rating,. 1:42:13 ~ 1/14/2013 7:25:49 PM ~ Burkhart: chart of ratings..efforts to bring people up to superior and elinimate unsatisfactory. 1:42:31 ~ 1/14/2013 7:26:07 PM ~ Fausset: state rules provide methods. How to get consistency for ratings across the state. I do not know which rated correctly. Many agencies may have rated conservatively. Need to make PMI better, how to address consistency across agencies. 1:44:28 ~ 1/14/2013 7:28:04 PM ~ Bebout retirement 11.35 percent; cost of living; overall Hay study; what's factored in 1:45:21 ~ 1/14/2013 7:28:58 PM ~ Fausset can provide info 1:45:44 ~ 1/14/2013 7:29:20 PM ~ Bebut important what people are making 1:45:59 ~ 1/14/2013 7:29:35 PM ~ Faussett information may be available 1:46:17 ~ 1/14/2013 7:29:53 PM ~ Fausset 1:46:26 ~ 1/14/2013 7:30:02 PM ~ Bebout hard look at 1:46:38 ~ 1/14/2013 7:30:14 PM ~ Harshman long hours; appreciate presentation; up at 8 a.m. Recess until then; 1:47:34 ~ 1/14/2013 7:31:10 PM ~ 1:47:54 ~ 1/14/2013 7:31:30 PM ~ Stop Recording