File name: JACBudgetHearings2013_20130116_075113.dcr Folder: C:\Documents and Settings\happropriations\My Documents\JAC Audio 2013 0 ~ 1/16/2013 7:55:43 AM ~ January 16, 2013 048 - Wyoming Departmen of health thomas Forslund and bob Peck 0 ~ 1/16/2013 7:55:43 AM ~ Start Recording 13 ~ 1/16/2013 7:55:56 AM ~ January 16, 2013 AM 048 - Wyoming Department of health 40 ~ 1/16/2013 7:56:23 AM ~ Richards: roll call - quorom established 1:04 ~ 1/16/2013 7:56:47 AM ~ Harshman: floor to Forslund, 1:23 ~ 1/16/2013 7:57:06 AM ~ Forslund< here to answer questions..anything bout department of health 1:39 ~ 1/16/2013 7:57:22 AM ~ Harshman: Stubson and Perkins will be responsible for your agency on the floor. 2:03 ~ 1/16/2013 7:57:46 AM ~ Stubson: Alternate budget...disqualifications, medicaid expansion, any proposal without the medicaid expansion? 3:17 ~ 1/16/2013 7:59:00 AM ~ Forslund: Expenditure control budgeting aka ACB. will go with flat line budget for min of 4 years with not having cuts in 15/16. If we do not do the expansion, we can not hold it flat for that length of time. 4:54 ~ 1/16/2013 8:00:37 AM ~ Stubson: provide a one pager for budgeting without the ACB. 5:14 ~ 1/16/2013 8:00:57 AM ~ Forslund yes 5:18 ~ 1/16/2013 8:01:02 AM ~ Meier: particular detail to mental health dividsion. with that request. 5:43 ~ 1/16/2013 8:01:26 AM ~ Forslund: we have done that. 5:50 ~ 1/16/2013 8:01:33 AM ~ Meier: 22 million savings.. 6:27 ~ 1/16/2013 8:02:10 AM ~ Forslund: mental health parity. without expansion, everyone below 100% poverty with no coverage at all so would have to fully fund the mental health facilities. provided handout in Dec that showed offsets. 7:25 ~ 1/16/2013 8:03:08 AM ~ Meier: no medicaid payments to mental health providers now. 7:53 ~ 1/16/2013 8:03:36 AM ~ Forslund: Everyone is not eligible for medicaid. Even if low income might not be eligible for medicaid so that is where the block grant comes in to support that population. 8:23 ~ 1/16/2013 8:04:07 AM ~ Meier: There is medicaid for mental health for people who are eleigible for medicaid today. 8:38 ~ 1/16/2013 8:04:21 AM ~ forslund: correct. 8:44 ~ 1/16/2013 8:04:28 AM ~ Meier: 8:48 ~ 1/16/2013 8:04:31 AM ~ Perkins: Looking at your cuts. Medicaid 80 20 rule. 20% of the total number of people who receive benefits account for 80% of benefits received. Prescription drug program. 2 million cut in drug pres. assistance. With that cut, what do you seea ffected most by that cut? 10:23 ~ 1/16/2013 8:06:06 AM ~ Forslunhd: expansion cuts or offsets, not cutting any program that would not be backfilled... 11:08 ~ 1/16/2013 8:06:51 AM ~ Perkins: recipients fall into what category? who receives the majority of the drug prescription? 11:41 ~ 1/16/2013 8:07:24 AM ~ Forsludn: Everybody who meets one of the categorical groups. There are four groups. 1. aged, blind and disabled 12:08 ~ 1/16/2013 8:07:51 AM ~ Perkins: 2 milllion cut. Will those people fall into mandatory affordable care act expansion? 12:30 ~ 1/16/2013 8:08:13 AM ~ Perkins: list of 2014 cuts, page 7 GF cuts. 12:54 ~ 1/16/2013 8:08:37 AM ~ Forslund: cuts for 14,15,16 - cutting those respective programs with hope those people and costs woudl be covered under teh ACA. If we do not do the expansion, some will not be covered under that. Will hav eto look to drug manufacturers to be coverd. 14:09 ~ 1/16/2013 8:09:52 AM ~ Perkins 14:11 ~ 1/16/2013 8:09:55 AM ~ Forslund: Infomed JAC and joint lbor that is where the cuts will be implemented. 15.16 is where we will take th next cuts if they come. 14:51 ~ 1/16/2013 8:10:34 AM ~ Perkins: larger GF cuts proposed, physician reimbursements. will rate be affected? 15:36 ~ 1/16/2013 8:11:19 AM ~ Forslund That is correct. 15:44 ~ 1/16/2013 8:11:27 AM ~ Perkins: page 8, optional adult, 1.7 millionwho affected? 16:19 ~ 1/16/2013 8:12:03 AM ~ Forslund: Terry Green testifying to senate labor this morning. 16:53 ~ 1/16/2013 8:12:36 AM ~ Perkins: DD waivers 2.6 million how do we set priority? 17:24 ~ 1/16/2013 8:13:07 AM ~ Forslund: medicaid program is entitlement program. list of benefits that have to be provided. one exception is labor program.. that is most expensive component. to adjust or reduce costs, to do it quickly, reduce reimbursements to providers . largest protion of budget is medicaid, look at largest parts , Reductions to providers are behind most of the reductions. 19:26 ~ 1/16/2013 8:15:10 AM ~ perkins: pay providers at lower percentage? 19:40 ~ 1/16/2013 8:15:23 AM ~ Forslund; correct. We do not make direct payments to recepients. We make direct payments to providers. 20:09 ~ 1/16/2013 8:15:52 AM ~ Perkins: guidelins in past, flat rate on code? 20:19 ~ 1/16/2013 8:16:03 AM ~ Forslund: complex 21:05 ~ 1/16/2013 8:16:48 AM ~ Perkins: making up differences by providers dong same work and being paid less. 21:29 ~ 1/16/2013 8:17:12 AM ~ Forslund: correct, goes beyond Medicaid, goes to other programs as well. 21:47 ~ 1/16/2013 8:17:31 AM ~ Perkins: if states do medicaid optional expansion, how does it change dynamic? 22:23 ~ 1/16/2013 8:18:06 AM ~ Forslund: for 14, it is done, not a proposal For 15/16 it is a proposal of doing the expansion with a flat line for four years, no reductions to programs. 23:02 ~ 1/16/2013 8:18:46 AM ~ perkins: if we do not do that, in 15/16, what kind of legislative action would be required? Most of action caused by legislative actionm, niot by what your agendy does. Substance abuse act 6 years ago. 24:06 ~ 1/16/2013 8:19:49 AM ~ Forslund: 5 programs cost most: 1. Medicaid waivers 2. mental health and substance abuse 3. preschools 4. and 5 life resource center and hospital. First 3 have been substantially expanded by legislature. Of top 5, 89% of spending for them. When legislature says cut dept, it has grown because of legislative mandates. I can wipe out the whole dept if I have to leave alone the top 5. I have to talk about eliminating th tax rebate program, cut preschool exps, cut mental health expt. Reduce your budget but don't cut the popular programs. If you want budget reduced, I have to go after the popular programs. In lieu of doing this, let's make it flat for a period of time. 26:49 ~ 1/16/2013 8:22:32 AM ~ Perkins: Thank you. Point made. Ultimately it is what the legislature has done. If we are not willing to cut within these programs, there is not a way to do this without the optional expansion. 28:02 ~ 1/16/2013 8:23:45 AM ~ forslund: yes, if not, we will be back each year asking for money. Other options: Facilities, legislature has to give us authority to operate them on business principles. 28:52 ~ 1/16/2013 8:24:35 AM ~ Bebout: 19 million GF money is 4% cuts; 5.2 million, 25 million DD waiver, in budget is supplemental request. Based on gov recs, if we do 4% reduction and buy into gov's rec, part through medicaid with no choice, DD, vaccine cost. then the 25 million becomes 15 million? 30:26 ~ 1/16/2013 8:26:10 AM ~ Forslund: correct 15 million is about a 2% cut 30:38 ~ 1/16/2013 8:26:22 AM ~ Forslund: correct 30:43 ~ 1/16/2013 8:26:26 AM ~ bebout: next budget cycle is 8% which is about 75 million? 30:57 ~ 1/16/2013 8:26:40 AM ~ Forslund: cuts are deeper becasue we lose the medicaid match. 31:08 ~ 1/16/2013 8:26:52 AM ~ Bebout: Medicaid expansion - is that driven by legislative changes. number of people on medicaid in wyoming. driven by state or federal. what is reason? 31:56 ~ 1/16/2013 8:27:39 AM ~ Forslund: overall enrollment. 32:05 ~ 1/16/2013 8:27:48 AM ~ bebout: growth in recepients in last 8 or 9 years. 32:23 ~ 1/16/2013 8:28:06 AM ~ Forslund: driven by both, legislative action to reduce waiting list for aged, blind and disabled program. and the dip in economy 33:37 ~ 1/16/2013 8:29:20 AM ~ Expansion: eligibility requirements. growth due to the economy now. conjecture: growth in people c oming to wyoming. people coming to town looking for jobs without any assets. people like that would be eligible for medicaid. can make antedoctal comments. 35:04 ~ 1/16/2013 8:30:47 AM ~ Bebout: Mental health and substance abuse...same thing? driven by legi inititiative 35:22 ~ 1/16/2013 8:31:06 AM ~ Forslund: correct 35:31 ~ 1/16/2013 8:31:14 AM ~ Forslund: option expanision effect on mental halth and substance abuse. ... 37:40 ~ 1/16/2013 8:33:24 AM ~ Continued discussion on expansion 37:47 ~ 1/16/2013 8:33:30 AM ~ Forslund: if we do expansion can have sign more expan. not taking 100% of money away, taking 50% away from mental health. 38:14 ~ 1/16/2013 8:33:58 AM ~ bebout: Mental health and substance is huge budget..anything ine existing law that allows us to change to 50/50 match. 38:40 ~ 1/16/2013 8:34:23 AM ~ Forslund: we can do it for some. Not every one will be eligible to be on medicaid program. 38:54 ~ 1/16/2013 8:34:37 AM ~ bebout: 77,000 on it now. 39:01 ~ 1/16/2013 8:34:44 AM ~ Forslund: group eleigible now, elected not to come on it. single adults who are wroking poor who are not eligible to be on medicaid. 39:50 ~ 1/16/2013 8:35:34 AM ~ Bebout: how many eligible if Sen scott's bill, waiver, how many eleiglbe? 40:10 ~ 1/16/2013 8:35:53 AM ~ Forslund: can't answer concept to get 40:53 ~ 1/16/2013 8:36:36 AM ~ bebout: not ask to do. will be some savings ther. 41:09 ~ 1/16/2013 8:36:53 AM ~ Forslund: some savings ..will have to start working with the mental health organizations so we have a better tracking of clients so we can seet hat we are not payign twice. 41:52 ~ 1/16/2013 8:37:35 AM ~ Bebout: 41:57 ~ 1/16/2013 8:37:40 AM ~ Forslund: other part of state savings. uncompensated care. factor costs based on straditional ..under optional giving us nontraditional . more like state employee or co pays and cost sharings. different than original medicare. 43:16 ~ 1/16/2013 8:38:59 AM ~ Bebout; If we do not do the expansion, then ... 43:35 ~ 1/16/2013 8:39:18 AM ~ Bebout: LLRC bill, are you supporitng that bill? 43:46 ~ 1/16/2013 8:39:29 AM ~ Forslund: yes, faciliteis need to bel ooked at. to squeeze efficiencies out of it,. bill is not to close the facility. bill is to improve operations. 44:37 ~ 1/16/2013 8:40:21 AM ~ bebout: 450 people providing services to 92 or 93..I support that. Vaccine: 2.4 million we turned it down last year. 45:17 ~ 1/16/2013 8:41:00 AM ~ Forslund: we are going to drop another vaccine if that is not funded. will drop it within 60 or 90 days. 45:52 ~ 1/16/2013 8:41:35 AM ~ bebout: for whole state or for children? 45:59 ~ 1/16/2013 8:41:43 AM ~ Forslund: non-federally supported children 46:08 ~ 1/16/2013 8:41:51 AM ~ Bebout: 200,000 vaccines given 46:16 ~ 1/16/2013 8:41:59 AM ~ perkins: 240,000 vaccines given, less than 100,000 children in state. 46:33 ~ 1/16/2013 8:42:16 AM ~ Bebout: is it several vaccines? 46:42 ~ 1/16/2013 8:42:26 AM ~ Forslund: it is multiple vaccines, a battery that children need going into the school system 46:58 ~ 1/16/2013 8:42:41 AM ~ Bebout: PRTF 47:03 ~ 1/16/2013 8:42:46 AM ~ Forslund: PRTF out of committee yesterday. 47:16 ~ 1/16/2013 8:43:00 AM ~ Forslund: we are bank, people withdrawing from it so we have to stop withdrawals or have money put in. 47:36 ~ 1/16/2013 8:43:20 AM ~ Bebout: next bieenium, difficult decisions exacberated. need to work with you. 49% of state budget. 48:07 ~ 1/16/2013 8:43:50 AM ~ Forslund: report provided, hoep it helps. 48:19 ~ 1/16/2013 8:44:03 AM ~ Bebout: You tell us what you think. 48:35 ~ 1/16/2013 8:44:18 AM ~ Stubson: Handout today, list of statutues need to be changed to implement the 2014 cuts. not post cuts, they are in approved budget. we have adopted the cuts but need to make changes? 49:24 ~ 1/16/2013 8:45:07 AM ~ Forslund: you need to give us authority to do that through staturtory changes or through a footnote. 50:09 ~ 1/16/2013 8:45:52 AM ~ meier: when gov was here, he was not aware of 15/16 cuts. Have you informed Gov since then? 50:42 ~ 1/16/2013 8:46:25 AM ~ Forslund: We have reviewed 14, 15, 16. 51:10 ~ 1/16/2013 8:46:54 AM ~ Meier: gov focus on biennial but aware now? 51:25 ~ 1/16/2013 8:47:08 AM ~ forslund: 51:28 ~ 1/16/2013 8:47:11 AM ~ meier: substance abuser, legislature over reactecd. has abuse problem leveled off? Can we have cuts there without impacting the .... 52:03 ~ 1/16/2013 8:47:46 AM ~ Forslund: Signicant committment by this body to provide funding for mental health and substance abuse. We are asking rpoviders what the outcomes are. can not produce it today. 53:22 ~ 1/16/2013 8:49:05 AM ~ Bebout: federal over each, negative impact on our state, Gov has written letters with no response. time limits to responding with comments. Mechanism to put in place comments when ACA rules 54:29 ~ 1/16/2013 8:50:13 AM ~ Forslund: appropriate. HHS has been putting out guidelines in recent months and weeks, giving more flexibility with expansion group than original medicaid program. Rule making process, I am supportive of making comments during rule making process. HHS has been formulating rules and guidelins on almost a weekly basis. 55:43 ~ 1/16/2013 8:51:27 AM ~ Hastert: mandatory protion of ACA, will it cost state money? 56:31 ~ 1/16/2013 8:52:14 AM ~ Forslund: correct. We will be seeking additional funding to pay for the required population of approx 10,600 people. 57:03 ~ 1/16/2013 8:52:46 AM ~ Hastert: Sen Scoot measurers brought forward in labor committee. do not know at this point if savings, no saving sro csot to state. 57:44 ~ 1/16/2013 8:53:27 AM ~ Forslund: convinced some will generate short term and long term savings. medicaid populaton coming on board, reform bill is excellent bill, support highly. 58:25 ~ 1/16/2013 8:54:08 AM ~ Harshman: 58:40 ~ 1/16/2013 8:54:24 AM ~ Forslund: I wil encourage you once again to consider the alternate budget proposal I presented to you in Dec, a good way for the dept of health to go. 59:27 ~ 1/16/2013 8:55:10 AM ~ Dockstader 1:01:20 ~ 1/16/2013 8:57:03 AM ~ Hirsig 1:01:56 ~ 1/16/2013 8:57:40 AM ~ Dockstader difficult part of the budget 1:02:20 ~ 1/16/2013 8:58:03 AM ~ Harshman lot of issues; other questions 1:02:34 ~ 1/16/2013 8:58:17 AM ~ Meier national exchange don't see companies wanting to join a wyoming exchange 1:03:11 ~ 1/16/2013 8:58:54 AM ~ Hirsig way more to an exchange; exchange -you step up and order ; federal government dictating; discussion about an exchange; e-health; Dept of insurance has calls weekly with federal govt trying to mitigate issues; focus; state based exchange problem in other states; flexability 1:05:40 ~ 1/16/2013 9:01:23 AM ~ Harshman control 1:05:49 ~ 1/16/2013 9:01:32 AM ~ Hirsig partnership with plan management; state would take over role; 1:06:35 ~ 1/16/2013 9:02:18 AM ~ Meier thanks for info on how exchanges work; rule is set; any advantage to consumer; companies currently not located in state; insurance premium; general implementation - consumer advantage; 1:08:36 ~ 1/16/2013 9:04:19 AM ~ Hirsig we have talks with industry -can't give answers since regulations are not final; develop a product outside exchange; 12 -17 months to get a plan together by insurance companies; 1:10:06 ~ 1/16/2013 9:05:49 AM ~ Harshman 1:10:14 ~ 1/16/2013 9:05:57 AM ~ Perkins will hold 1:10:21 ~ 1/16/2013 9:06:04 AM ~ Hirsig premium taxes and collection; interstate sales of insurance, taxes 1:11:05 ~ 1/16/2013 9:06:49 AM ~ Harshman thank you 1:11:16 ~ 1/16/2013 9:06:59 AM ~ Bebout rules and regulations coming out. letter of support 1:11:39 ~ 1/16/2013 9:07:23 AM ~ Hirsig yes very beneficiall 1:11:56 ~ 1/16/2013 9:07:39 AM ~ Harshman thank you 1:12:06 ~ 1/16/2013 9:07:49 AM ~ Cox introduction of staff. would like to go to document; page through. Page 3 summary of supplemental request with Governor's response; 8 percent cut straight across the board. Column 5. Page 5 ; Page 11department priorities listed; Wyolink appropriations ; wyolink system built out system described as a computer system needing on-going updating; Footnote: proposed cuts straight across the board; Big ticket item highway improvements; committee recommendations; grants held harmless; rec 8% comes out to just over 6 %. Page 14-15 IT consolidation and position numbers moved; 1:20:13 ~ 1/16/2013 9:15:57 AM ~ Harshman understand wyolink issues 1:20:25 ~ 1/16/2013 9:16:08 AM ~ Meier positions out of column 4 reduction of positions 1:21:00 ~ 1/16/2013 9:16:43 AM ~ Cox differences in budget models; page 15 ETS billing 1:21:36 ~ 1/16/2013 9:17:20 AM ~ Hibbard question ; decrease in commission budget 1:22:16 ~ 1/16/2013 9:17:59 AM ~ Meier 1:22:23 ~ 1/16/2013 9:18:06 AM ~ Harshman 1:22:32 ~ 1/16/2013 9:18:15 AM ~ Cox page 16 statewide cost clearing page 17 wyolink and SALEC. Page 18 and 19 wyolink details; 17.8 percent user of WyoLink system; Page 21 improvements; Highway funds 8.7 million reflects commission and gov approached legislature for airport improvements; Feel that amount is still needed; 1:26:16 ~ 1/16/2013 9:21:59 AM ~ Bebout money comes from highway funds fuel tax 1:26:31 ~ 1/16/2013 9:22:14 AM ~ Hibbard mineral royalities and severence taxes 1:26:54 ~ 1/16/2013 9:22:38 AM ~ Cox page 22 Governor restored department's cut. surface trans funds held harmless 1:27:43 ~ 1/16/2013 9:23:26 AM ~ Bebout airport projects sometime unneeded; Evanston huge improvement; Aeronoutics commission input in projects; 1:28:45 ~ 1/16/2013 9:24:28 AM ~ Cox Page 24; Air service enhancements limited to 10 EAS airports. 1:29:35 ~ 1/16/2013 9:25:19 AM ~ Harshman grants committed for nex5t 1:29:51 ~ 1/16/2013 9:25:35 AM ~ Byrne grants inplace for Gillette ,Rock Springs, Cody and Jackson 1:30:34 ~ 1/16/2013 9:26:17 AM ~ Harshman cut; have you committed money 1:30:50 ~ 1/16/2013 9:26:33 AM ~ Byrne no 1:30:56 ~ 1/16/2013 9:26:39 AM ~ Cox page 26 overhead for air service; page 28 and following - surface transportaton requests ; Page 30 1:31:40 ~ 1/16/2013 9:27:23 AM ~ Harshman questions 1:31:46 ~ 1/16/2013 9:27:30 AM ~ Dcokstader Gov came in at 2. proposed cuts at 2.5. gov rec less; 1:32:26 ~ 1/16/2013 9:28:10 AM ~ Cox governor restored cuts; 1:32:48 ~ 1/16/2013 9:28:31 AM ~ Dockstader cuts 1:33:03 ~ 1/16/2013 9:28:46 AM ~ Cox anticipated cuts; 1:33:25 ~ 1/16/2013 9:29:08 AM ~ Dcokstader 134 million to maintain; other legislation 1:33:51 ~ 1/16/2013 9:29:35 AM ~ Cox 134.5 m needed to maintain system; subtract general fund; Fuel tax bill. amount needed is a very real amount; 1:34:50 ~ 1/16/2013 9:30:33 AM ~ Dockstader work WyoLink; anyone using it 1:35:17 ~ 1/16/2013 9:31:00 AM ~ Schultz 18 of 23 counties using system for daily operations ; 267 agencies applied to use system; challenges working; towers in NW part of state to provide coverage; 7 enhancement sites; assessing coverage when questions raised; interferrence and radio calibration issues; placement of towers; 1:37:32 ~ 1/16/2013 9:33:15 AM ~ Dockstader keep running 1:37:40 ~ 1/16/2013 9:33:23 AM ~ Schultz part of request; upgrade to system-software upgrade; Governor received complaints; Locals could not buy equioment compatible with system. Upgrade completed Oct 2012; 1:39:14 ~ 1/16/2013 9:34:57 AM ~ Harshman 5 0r 6 counties not involved; who are they; Fires; federal guys talking to state guys; 1:40:03 ~ 1/16/2013 9:35:46 AM ~ Schultz federal agencies ; FBI on system Forest service on system; BLM migrating; Homeland security; 1:40:52 ~ 1/16/2013 9:36:35 AM ~ Burkhart Wyolink constant demand for upgrades 1:41:12 ~ 1/16/2013 9:36:55 AM ~ Schultz some milestone points needing 1:41:39 ~ 1/16/2013 9:37:22 AM ~ Schultz significant looking for about 8 million per year 1:42:05 ~ 1/16/2013 9:37:48 AM ~ Moniz agencies using contributing to maintenance; why 1:42:38 ~ 1/16/2013 9:38:22 AM ~ Cox no subscription costs on system; Get system completely built and running; Map showing system; remainder of core sites built; 1:43:45 ~ 1/16/2013 9:39:29 AM ~ Harshman other questions on WyoLink. LUST penney ; swap with --explain 1:44:35 ~ 1/16/2013 9:40:18 AM ~ Hibbard LUST collects about 12 million years. spent under const. rules. Like amount is given to DEQ. Fund limits; Prior to deearmarking; 1 to 1 relationship; De-earmarking legislation complicate; Not a 1to1 relationship; Penny not turned off; 1:47:49 ~ 1/16/2013 9:43:32 AM ~ Harshman dept not getting LUST ; don't want it turned off; Mentioned 1.5. Made up some of that money 1:48:38 ~ 1/16/2013 9:44:22 AM ~ Hibbard slide on deearmarking; CREG; general fund appropriations; 1:49:14 ~ 1/16/2013 9:44:57 AM ~ Harshman hand out 195. do you have a copy 1:49:56 ~ 1/16/2013 9:45:39 AM ~ Hibbard can generalize 1:50:15 ~ 1/16/2013 9:45:58 AM ~ Harshman how much in ARA funds 1:50:26 ~ 1/16/2013 9:46:10 AM ~ Hibbard 3 million for airports some for transit 1:50:50 ~ 1/16/2013 9:46:33 AM ~ Harshman commission positions in center 1620 in 04, talk about it; vacancies, snow plow drivers 1:51:33 ~ 1/16/2013 9:47:16 AM ~ Cox regard to funding of positions; one GF position; position not filled, money stays in highway fund available for construction; positions sewpt during previous administration; 1:53:09 ~ 1/16/2013 9:48:52 AM ~ Harshman money into construction 1:53:24 ~ 1/16/2013 9:49:07 AM ~ harshman total number of vacant positions 1:53:44 ~ 1/16/2013 9:49:27 AM ~ Hibbard can provide 1:53:56 ~ 1/16/2013 9:49:39 AM ~ Cox 100 or less evolving 1:54:17 ~ 1/16/2013 9:50:00 AM ~ Harshman 100 series ; transportation funds ; top heavy, not enough to road maintenance; how do you compare with 1:55:28 ~ 1/16/2013 9:51:11 AM ~ Cox N. Dakota, South Dakota, Montana 1:55:46 ~ 1/16/2013 9:51:29 AM ~ Hibbard researched cost for PE. Wydot doing better than others 1:56:20 ~ 1/16/2013 9:52:03 AM ~ Harshman what we hear; other agencies focused on how we can save money; Flys 1:57:13 ~ 1/16/2013 9:52:56 AM ~ Cox larger picture will help identify what cost drivers are. Aircraft use policy need use only. Director less than 5 times per year. 1:58:12 ~ 1/16/2013 9:53:55 AM ~ Harshman higher percentage on construction than other states 1:58:33 ~ 1/16/2013 9:54:16 AM ~ Cox engineering cost lower 1:58:42 ~ 1/16/2013 9:54:26 AM ~ Burkhart; need 8 million per year; cureent budget 4 million 1:59:14 ~ 1/16/2013 9:54:58 AM ~ Cox back page of document 1:59:35 ~ 1/16/2013 9:55:18 AM ~ Schultz one standard budget item; return to legislature to get funding for system. 2:00:14 ~ 1/16/2013 9:55:57 AM ~ Cox total accounting of system costs. 2:00:29 ~ 1/16/2013 9:56:13 AM ~ Harshman would you come back for a few minutes at 3 p.m. Meeting adjourned 2:01:03 ~ 1/16/2013 9:56:46 AM ~ 2:01:28 ~ 1/16/2013 9:57:12 AM ~ Stop Recording