File name: JAC Budget hearings 2013_20121211_125324.dcr Folder: C:\Documents and Settings\happropriations\Desktop\JAC Hearings 2013 0 ~ 12/11/2012 1:10:22 PM ~ Start Recording 25 ~ 12/11/2012 1:10:47 PM ~ Tuesday Dec 11, 2012 PM Session University of Wyoming 49 ~ 12/11/2012 1:11:11 PM ~ President Buchanan: Introduction of staff. Opening comments. Budget Recommendation 6% cut. 11.4 million dollars . Four areas of reduction. Principles followed: 1. Reductions consistent with vision and plan 2. Attempt to preserve and advance academic quality 3. Preference to non-personnel first . 4 million in non personnel support services. library, visits, athletics, operations, maintenance.... 1.72 million Second area to reduce graduate stipends and scholarship - all to be taken from non-resident students. Consequence is to increase student debt, may decrease out of state students, soem reduction in graduate study initiatives. Thirs item to be reduced Staff faculty = 4.8 Million. Somer personnel reductions unavoidable. 3000 benefited employees, estimate 60 to 95 positions lost. First through attriction then through layoff. 5:49 ~ 12/11/2012 1:16:11 PM ~ Nicholas: Do you have enough attrition that you can still keep focus on core areas? Will you lose the best faculty in most important areas? Using the attrition policy. 6:26 ~ 12/11/2012 1:16:48 PM ~ buchanan: Attrition is managed strategically. Having a vacancy created in a priority area does not mean ti will be vacant. It will be filled. In the aggregate, all positions are reviewed. Directed provost to hold 1 milion from the faculty hiring pool. Deans establish priorities, meet to establish instituional priorities. There were positions we would have like to hire but did not. We will always fill first the priority positions. Held back on 28 positions, recouped about 3/4 million. Have held back about 1.7 million. will continue to do so on the staff sie for the remainder of the year. If we are judicious in search for vacant positions.....we will be able to accomodate personnel reductions without layoffs. 10:15 ~ 12/11/2012 1:20:37 PM ~ Nicholas: How do the trustees get involved? 10:31 ~ 12/11/2012 1:20:52 PM ~ Buchanan: Board of trustees involvement in monitoring of strategic plan and implementation; briefed on status of vacancies, status of authorizations in a routine fall meeting, must approve any hires 11:25 ~ 12/11/2012 1:21:47 PM ~ Nicholas: Anxiety about cuts ..Experience tels us that the labor costs do not plateu..retirement, health care costs increase,. During the last cut, labor costs exceeded previous costs within two years. Attrition and reducting faculty members is there for a long time. 12:42 ~ 12/11/2012 1:23:04 PM ~ Buchanan: System in place accomadates that. The mix of full professors, associate and assistant professors ...We do not exceed what we have to spend. 13:30 ~ 12/11/2012 1:23:52 PM ~ Nicholas; Block grant, non GF money. Are you seeing increases? 13:44 ~ 12/11/2012 1:24:06 PM ~ Buchanan: Section 2 revenues are on the research side about 100 million per year. Prededicated, dollars go up or magnitude of research project goes down. Section 2 enterprise largest area is housing and food. Those numbers are climbing by 3 to 4% est. per year, keeping in touch with inflationary costs. Section 1 and 2 are treated the same. When funds are available for section 1, then section 2 is told they may distribute if funds are available. 16:05 ~ 12/11/2012 1:26:27 PM ~ Nicholos: What is tuition? 16:15 ~ 12/11/2012 1:26:37 PM ~ Buchanan: It is a section 1 non-appropriated. It has climbed due to increase of non-resident students. Shift in proportion of resident to non-resident. Non resident pay 3.4 times as resident if they pay the full price. 17:22 ~ 12/11/2012 1:27:43 PM ~ Berger: Staff vacancies. Is 75 a norm? 17:33 ~ 12/11/2012 1:27:55 PM ~ Buchanan: Staff vacany larger than usual because I called for a hiring freeze last spring. Larger than what we will see in next quarters. Will review half of the volume we had during the first quarter, abou 35 to 40. 18:33 ~ 12/11/2012 1:28:55 PM ~ Nicholas: Out of state students pay more even if not full price.. fixed costs... 19:05 ~ 12/11/2012 1:29:27 PM ~ Buchanan: Non-resident in the teens. Resident .13 or .14 cents on the dollar. For nonresident payment is 22 or 23 cents on the dollar for the cost. All students represent a net drain. 20:01 ~ 12/11/2012 1:30:23 PM ~ Wallis: Out of state students, what things causes that? 20:27 ~ 12/11/2012 1:30:49 PM ~ Buchanan: Non-resident scholarships to attract students, 1.6 million of the 1.72 million mentioned earlier is for non-resident. Have used the money for recruiting non-resident students. Not having money may impact but the population growth along the colorado front range may imapct 21:50 ~ 12/11/2012 1:32:12 PM ~ Wallis: Type of funding for non resident scholarships..from block grant? 22:05 ~ 12/11/2012 1:32:26 PM ~ Buchanan: no, scholarship funding. 22:38 ~ 12/11/2012 1:33:00 PM ~ Walis: so it is revenue in, just from a different source. 22:52 ~ 12/11/2012 1:33:13 PM ~ buchana: yes, money in and it would be lost 23:00 ~ 12/11/2012 1:33:21 PM ~ Harshman: State with more than one university. The more students they have the more money they get. How does our dollar per student funding compare to other similar universitities? 23:41 ~ 12/11/2012 1:34:03 PM ~ buchanan: The funding is roughly comparable. What is not the same is the source of the funding. In most other, there is a much higher proportion of the cost born by the students than at UW. At UW a much higher percentage is from section 1, total of 45% of budget. Lower percentages at Colorado school. UW is almost double on the reliance of legislative money. 25:13 ~ 12/11/2012 1:35:35 PM ~ Buchanan: Gov's rec of 6%. Reco mmendation to reduce school of energy by 272,000 or 2.7%. That recommendation did not follow the 6%. It was less. 26:13 ~ 12/11/2012 1:36:35 PM ~ Wallis: something different with the school. 26:32 ~ 12/11/2012 1:36:53 PM ~ buchanan: Energy school is seperate line..ite was moved from AML funding to section 1 funding last year 26:51 ~ 12/11/2012 1:37:13 PM ~ Nicholas: SER on page 1..prepared a seperate table, out of GF, not within the block grants. 2.7% cut. Does that include ....? 27:45 ~ 12/11/2012 1:38:07 PM ~ Buchanan: yes 27:49 ~ 12/11/2012 1:38:11 PM ~ Nicholas: CO2 sequestration, where do you see that going? 28:23 ~ 12/11/2012 1:38:45 PM ~ Buchanan: In 2012 session, the legislature diverted all but 1 million from the WYCUSP project. It was in addition to AML and Federal Grant money. The project has been adding specification about Rock Sprngs site,....development of high resolution database provided by a 4000 meter deep well. The Rock Springs uplift is an outstanding CO2 storage site....AML funds, US Dejpt of Energy Funds. One more year is envisioned to complete the project. 30:27 ~ 12/11/2012 1:40:49 PM ~ Nicholas: What doe that man in terms of staffing for that program? 30:39 ~ 12/11/2012 1:41:01 PM ~ Buchanan: These are section 2 employees. When the funding runs out, they are no longer employed. That is standard for research associates, psot docs and others committed to research as opposed to faculty funded by section 1 dollars. 31:21 ~ 12/11/2012 1:41:43 PM ~ Nicholas: Section 2 funding for carbon storage..Is there mechanism to make case whether program is worthy of additional funding? 32:15 ~ 12/11/2012 1:42:37 PM ~ Buchanan: Discussion we may have between session. May seek other federal funding or he may retire.Others in the research group may submit federal research proposals. 33:08 ~ 12/11/2012 1:43:30 PM ~ Wallis: How to determine if something is section 1 or section 2. Description of section 1 includes research. 33:37 ~ 12/11/2012 1:43:59 PM ~ Buchanan: Section 1 covers salries for all tenured and tenure track professors and some employees who can be offered extended terms. Significant teaching, some research and some service. To cover costs of "permanent" instructional staff. We do not make perm. committments to individuals on non-permanet sources of funding. 35:28 ~ 12/11/2012 1:45:50 PM ~ Wallis: Dr Sertom, proffessor, is not tenured nor has teaching responsiblilites? 35:47 ~ 12/11/2012 1:46:09 PM ~ Buchanan: Would have to go back look. He was paid from AML funds, do not believe he holds tenure or faculty appt. 36:43 ~ 12/11/2012 1:47:05 PM ~ Buchanan: He was a tenured professor who retired and came to work for the state. 37:08 ~ 12/11/2012 1:47:30 PM ~ Nicholos: Two categories of retirement: TIAAcraft or state retirement program. Can an employee reach the rule of 85 and then go back on the job. Do you see that in the University" Receive retirement while re-employed. 38:08 ~ 12/11/2012 1:48:30 PM ~ Buchana: There have been cases, can think of two.Maybe 10 did a number of years ago. 39:09 ~ 12/11/2012 1:49:30 PM ~ Nicholas: Do you think recruiting included the double dipping? 39:23 ~ 12/11/2012 1:49:45 PM ~ Buchanan; No, I do not think that. 39:31 ~ 12/11/2012 1:49:53 PM ~ Nicholas: If we change the statute so that if you go back to work, you have to stop receiving retirement, would a person be willing to come back? 39:58 ~ 12/11/2012 1:50:20 PM ~ Buchanan: I am not sure. I think he would consider it if he could continue to contribute to retirem. My understanding is if a person comes out of retirement, they draw retirement but can not put into retirement. Jim Stipend recruitment. Stayed for 6 or 7 years. Would he have taken if if he could continue to contribute to retirement..I think so. 41:57 ~ 12/11/2012 1:52:18 PM ~ Buchanan: Salary increase for FY 14. 4.9 million original request, a 3% salary increase. Gov rec was for 2.38 million, incl salary inc for SER. The 2.38 million is UW's share. UW tradition that salary increases are rewarded on the basis of merit. 2.38 million is a 1..4% salary inc for faculty and staff. On average a 1.4% inc but some may receive 1, some 1.4 and some 2%. That distribution is made by the immediate supervisor. Individuals with less than satisfactory performance are not eligible. 44:20 ~ 12/11/2012 1:54:41 PM ~ Nicholas: Several years ago at 91% of market, has slipped down. How do you arrive at market and at those numbers? 44:47 ~ 12/11/2012 1:55:09 PM ~ Buchanan: Study by Oklahoma State..every faculty member, all public, some private, academic discipline and rank. We aggregate numbers into groups to compare. Comparative groups considered appropriate by one is anathema to another. Land Grants, all publics, regional publics, athletic conference, 50 public doctoral researchers of which we are a part. We are 12% below market in the doctoral group. Results fluctuate 1 or 2 % points in either direction. All studies put us at approx 10% below market. WE did not participate in the 91% mkt adjustment from several years ago. This was part of rationale of asking for 3%. ..No salry adjustment for seveeral years.. losing high performers..21 lost to competitive offers from other Universitites. We are seeing that increase. Wyoming cost of living has incr 6.4% since the last raise in 2010. 49:33 ~ 12/11/2012 1:59:54 PM ~ Meier: Statistics on increase in cost of living of comparative groups? 49:53 ~ 12/11/2012 2:00:15 PM ~ Buchanan: States hit by budget decreases is still offering salary increases. CSU increasing the student tuition. UW cost of attendance has been close to flat for the last 6 to 10 years. 50:51 ~ 12/11/2012 2:01:13 PM ~ Nicholas: page 18 of budget ...Pick up half GF, half of section 1. ARe there schedule tuition increases? 51:26 ~ 12/11/2012 2:01:48 PM ~ Buchanan: A 2% tuition inc. this fall. An endorsement by the student body, primarily because Board of Trustees made an agreement, that those funds will go to the library. If they do not, they are wrapped up into the 6% budget reduction. 52:32 ~ 12/11/2012 2:02:54 PM ~ Nicholas: Is the 91% from the same group as the doctoral? 52:59 ~ 12/11/2012 2:03:21 PM ~ Boswell: The comparative group is 50 public research universities. Academic affairs perceive these to be in competition. Coast to coast. Includes principal state institutes of surrounding states, exc. SD. 54:07 ~ 12/11/2012 2:04:29 PM ~ Nicholas: The 91 and 88 are off the same comparative list? 54:18 ~ 12/11/2012 2:04:40 PM ~ Buchana: The system has not changed. 54:36 ~ 12/11/2012 2:04:57 PM ~ Nicholas: Are benefits calculated in.? 54:57 ~ 12/11/2012 2:05:19 PM ~ Buchanan: Straight salaires, do not include benefits. 55:08 ~ 12/11/2012 2:05:30 PM ~ Nicholas: If we add benefits, do we know if our % would go up or down? 55:29 ~ 12/11/2012 2:05:51 PM ~ Buchanan: have not done that 55:36 ~ 12/11/2012 2:05:58 PM ~ Nicholas: Retirement and health care plans drive up salary costs. Our belief is that our benefits are halthy compared to surrounding states. 56:01 ~ 12/11/2012 2:06:23 PM ~ Buchanan: Faculty trying to hire do look at benefits. 56:29 ~ 12/11/2012 2:06:51 PM ~ Meier: Tuition and salary; What does 1% of tution increase and 1 dollar 56:49 ~ 12/11/2012 2:07:11 PM ~ Buchanan 1% of increase in tution about 500 and 1% in salary about ....million 57:19 ~ 12/11/2012 2:07:41 PM ~ Steward..? 57:24 ~ 12/11/2012 2:07:45 PM ~ Boswerll: 2.5 million of 11 million ws one time funding. Ongoing pay adjustment. 57:47 ~ 12/11/2012 2:08:09 PM ~ Steward: Rate inc. will be applied to faculty and staff 58:16 ~ 12/11/2012 2:08:38 PM ~ Buchanan: Correct 58:22 ~ 12/11/2012 2:08:44 PM ~ Steward: pg 18 formula, merit based, same formula applied? 58:36 ~ 12/11/2012 2:08:58 PM ~ Buchanan: I think I would not describe as a formula but the answer is yes. Any amount will be distributed on the basis of merit. 59:38 ~ 12/11/2012 2:10:00 PM ~ Steward: appreciate the analysis. direct staff to determine how it will impact community colleges 1:00:08 ~ 12/11/2012 2:10:29 PM ~ Richards: have asked for that information from gov's office, have not received that info. 1:00:27 ~ 12/11/2012 2:10:49 PM ~ Berger: We should have that when we come back in January... 1:00:40 ~ 12/11/2012 2:11:02 PM ~ Richards..maybe evn this week. 1:00:49 ~ 12/11/2012 2:11:10 PM ~ Steward: 2.3 million...prorated share. seems like a high number. due to high salaries. 1:01:39 ~ 12/11/2012 2:12:01 PM ~ Buchanan: .....budgets similar to ours may have a larger workforce 1:01:56 ~ 12/11/2012 2:12:18 PM ~ Berger: people who have left UW for more competitive, reason? 1:02:19 ~ 12/11/2012 2:12:41 PM ~ Buchanan: Not sure of a single calculation, multiple years of no salary increases, not as bright of a future., Sometimes we make counter offers.Best faculty are in a world wide market. 1:04:07 ~ 12/11/2012 2:14:29 PM ~ Berger: How many years at UW? 1:04:15 ~ 12/11/2012 2:14:37 PM ~ Buchanan; aabout 10. Most common time to recruit is post tenure but before promtion to full. about 6 to 10 years. 1:04:42 ~ 12/11/2012 2:15:04 PM ~ Nicholas: Task force prominent faculty members, Part of issue, in areas of expertise, having layers of expertise. Is this a new concept or has UW done this in the past? 1:05:39 ~ 12/11/2012 2:16:01 PM ~ Buchanan: It is not a new concept. Important to build the depth. More focused on buildign depth in recent years, better off today than have been. 1:06:54 ~ 12/11/2012 2:17:16 PM ~ Nicholas: A way to know if we are losing faculty due to state support or section 2 research dolalrs, better at securing grants or better funded by private sector 1:07:32 ~ 12/11/2012 2:17:53 PM ~ Buchanan: I think it is both. We countered with salry, private donors , and research dollars to keep the faculty member here. Work receiving world wide acclaim. A multi million dollar gift to build a la. 1:09:15 ~ 12/11/2012 2:19:37 PM ~ Nichols: Compare ...Are they offering salaries because of salries or ...state support to institution. 1:09:48 ~ 12/11/2012 2:20:10 PM ~ Buchanan: Size of university, more flexibility. Those schools are doing the same as we are..scrambling to put together financing deals. Salary is importatn b ut not the only one. 1:10:47 ~ 12/11/2012 2:21:08 PM ~ Nicholas: ...consistent throwing money at facilities, straining the operating budget 1:11:16 ~ 12/11/2012 2:21:38 PM ~ Buchanan: Need to be strategic where we make our investment. Engineering is one of the areas we have identifed as critical to the state and area. Can distinguish the entire university by elevating the engineering dept. Other parts of the university will not grow, not seeking money from private donors or the state. Ex: social behavioral sciences..does not produce direct work forces needed for the area. Must invest in a sustained way. 1:13:25 ~ 12/11/2012 2:23:47 PM ~ Nicholas: Engineering dollars in treasurers fund, govs rec...When do we begin releasing the funds? ...If we are interested in task force completing proposal, what is the trigger? 1:14:16 ~ 12/11/2012 2:24:38 PM ~ Buchanan: The task force report is at the printer, finished and on the gov desk within the week. 1:14:32 ~ 12/11/2012 2:24:53 PM ~ Buchanan: will be posted to the web. Task force has been insistent that a series of recommendation are programatic.TAsk force asked Govenor if it could continue, even though report is completed. Some effort to schedule the task force to meet with an appropriate group of legislatures. At least at that point if not longer, before any move from the college. Some action on the part of the college of engineering before we get the ball rolling. 1:17:09 ~ 12/11/2012 2:27:30 PM ~ Nicholas: TAsk force proposing to be involved in planning.... 1:17:26 ~ 12/11/2012 2:27:48 PM ~ Buchanan: No indication from task force that they want to be involved in the planning. They want to see evidence that the college of engineering is making progress towards the goals they ahve set int he task force report. EX;College o engineering to identify 3 to 5 niche areas to focus resources on. College mus identify areas, assess its own resources....to achieve tier 1 satus. Incorporate that info into the deisgn....I see this as a process that will take a year or longer. 1:19:18 ~ 12/11/2012 2:29:40 PM ~ Nicholas: Develop language for a triger for your level 2 design work. Issue of matching funds going into Treasurer fund or out of it..Mechanics. Often we park it at UW. Task force wanting to hold money back a little bit. Wait a year for triggering event. 1:20:17 ~ 12/11/2012 2:30:39 PM ~ Boswell: Two projects in level 2 study: Engineering research facility an engineering project. There is a recognition that the projects may not move forward at the same rate. Need for level 2 to proceed on the high bay project. 1:21:41 ~ 12/11/2012 2:32:02 PM ~ Nicholas: Differnt appropriation than college expansion. 1:21:52 ~ 12/11/2012 2:32:14 PM ~ Boswell: 15 million from private sources and 15 million from state match..for the High Bay.. 1:22:10 ~ 12/11/2012 2:32:32 PM ~ Nicholas: AML funds swapped out yuet. 1:22:20 ~ 12/11/2012 2:32:42 PM ~ Buchanan: Not anticipating swapping the funds. 1:22:29 ~ 12/11/2012 2:32:50 PM ~ Berger: How to correlate costing of professors..etc..how to fund for it. 1:22:44 ~ 12/11/2012 2:33:06 PM ~ Buchanan: That work has begun, not been articulated. 3 niche areas, unconventional resevoirs, composit materials. We have strength, work going 1:23:50 ~ 12/11/2012 2:34:11 PM ~ Berger: It is about maintenanc eand existing programs.. Update on design. the new engineering bldg 1:24:16 ~ 12/11/2012 2:34:38 PM ~ Boswell: Laramie community and elsewhere..sign. interaction. groundbreaking this spring..suggestions..the exterior look,..architects have been pretty receptive of consideration of changes.. 1:25:38 ~ 12/11/2012 2:36:00 PM ~ Buchanan: Level 1 completed. Level 2 completed and submitted to the state, awaiting approval. CMAR decision in March...final details of exterior finish of structure, ground breaking in late may or june, expected opening in 2015. 1:26:22 ~ 12/11/2012 2:36:43 PM ~ Harshman: bonding authority. How fully are you bonded out..Whati s your capacity? how does that compare to comparable institutions in other states. 1:26:57 ~ 12/11/2012 2:37:18 PM ~ buchanana: 108.5 million outstadnind debt..net pledged revenue..8.38 million per year as annual debt service. Debt service coverage ration (bondable revenues by debt service0 of 2.9. Survey of regional comparitors, the median group ratio is 2.8. We are above that. The Board of Trustess established athe policy two or 3 years ago about borrowing funds for building at UW, drop coverage ration will not drop below the mean ration. Required ratio by the ste is 2.9...Board of Trustess will not ..more bond issues until ratio moves into the threes..which can happen by increases in revenues, like tuition adj or paying off debt. 1:29:46 ~ 12/11/2012 2:40:07 PM ~ harshamna: Plan? 1:29:51 ~ 12/11/2012 2:40:12 PM ~ Buchanan: It will be a numer of years before we have capacity to eliminate substantially the debt we owe. 1:30:15 ~ 12/11/2012 2:40:36 PM ~ Nicholas: Changee statutes allowing you to plege AML to enhance the bond ratings. Bond council in Denver changed it so we would advance the payments by 5 million....not our intent.. proposing state will advance payments... 1:31:10 ~ 12/11/2012 2:41:32 PM ~ Buchanan: I would liek to ask Janet Lower 1:31:22 ~ 12/11/2012 2:41:44 PM ~ Lowe: In process of amedning the memo of understanding with state treasurer to remove that restriction. Plan to deposit other... 1:31:46 ~ 12/11/2012 2:42:08 PM ~ Nicholas: obligation exists but university makes the payments 1:31:56 ~ 12/11/2012 2:42:18 PM ~ Lower: Correct 1:32:02 ~ 12/11/2012 2:42:24 PM ~ Nicholas: How does Qtech put that into the agreement? Extrordinary that it is in there. How who represent 1:32:29 ~ 12/11/2012 2:42:51 PM ~ Lower: Represent university..give rating agencies a better level of comfort. 1:32:45 ~ 12/11/2012 2:43:07 PM ~ Nicholas: Think they would have to talk to someone. 1:32:54 ~ 12/11/2012 2:43:16 PM ~ Lowers" Qtech, investment bankers, bond company and treaurers office to craft the language. 1:33:12 ~ 12/11/2012 2:43:34 PM ~ Nicholas: State treasurer knew he would have to ask for 5 million from legislature 1:33:28 ~ 12/11/2012 2:43:50 PM ~ Lower: In proces of changing that provision. 1:33:37 ~ 12/11/2012 2:43:59 PM ~ Nicholas: Amend legislation. What authority does the treasurer have to operate up additional funds? If statute offers up that level of discretion then it needs to be revised so we do not do this again. 1:34:39 ~ 12/11/2012 2:45:01 PM ~ Lowe: The supplemental coverage program eff. through Nov 15. UW not planning on issuing any more debt. Can only apply through nov 15. Chris and Mike can look at legislation. 1:35:15 ~ 12/11/2012 2:45:37 PM ~ Nicholas: By what authority did Qteach write it in. Treasurer committment, must have statutroy authority. Our position is that it was unauthorized. Construcor management risk: disagreements between you and Cathcart. Explain the difference in teh process, the delivery method. 1:36:25 ~ 12/11/2012 2:46:47 PM ~ Boswell. Engage a cmr process for design, final method for construction of bldg to be determined. Cathcart dtermined it is a design build process. Enzi stem facility funding flows through A and I. No final decision as made. CMAR seem reasonable, get a guaranteed price.Deisgn, Bid, Build tends to be a l ng series of transactions. CMAR seems cleaner, have maximum. Greater opportunity for costs savings with Design, Bid, Build, if you ask Cathcart. 1:38:28 ~ 12/11/2012 2:48:50 PM ~ Moniz: question? 1:38:45 ~ 12/11/2012 2:49:07 PM ~ Boswell: All parties see the CMR as advantageous for the design process. contractor knows what he will be paid, must control the costs. Hear arguments that change. Construction delivery methods have their own advocates. 1:40:56 ~ 12/11/2012 2:51:18 PM ~ Harshaman: auditorium project update 1:41:06 ~ 12/11/2012 2:51:27 PM ~ Buchanan: ARena auditorium. IN 2012 10 million AML funds swapped for GF, to be matched with private contributions. Language." with an equal amount of bonding." State funds not available until all funds received and bonds issued. Problems: Contributors won't donate if they believe state funds won't be received for years. Past practice was to receive state funds when 25,000 in donor funds are received, match gifts as recieved. Need legislation to amend language...Proposed work Phase 1 is expanison of court, rotating it 90 degrees, seating..renovation of locker rooms, new score boards, ADA access, 12 million for phase 1. 56 million private and 6 million maching with no bonding. The phases are independed. Phase 2 east side, new entrances and concourses ..about 18 million. Without bonding, the funding is up in the air. Gov. made not recommendation. 1:44:16 ~ 12/11/2012 2:54:38 PM ~ Harshaman: Language worked on. 1:44:35 ~ 12/11/2012 2:54:57 PM ~ Buchanan: No sign. problems in raising the money in the next year or two. 1:44:53 ~ 12/11/2012 2:55:14 PM ~ Berger: It seems appropriate since it is in stages that ... 1:45:09 ~ 12/11/2012 2:55:31 PM ~ Von Flatern: Footnote on page 30 on cost of eng. school, 1:45:32 ~ 12/11/2012 2:55:53 PM ~ Boswell: legislature set aside 30 million in two pots, language for both includes the term matching. suggests need to match full 30 million.Perhaps that was not the intent. 1:46:37 ~ 12/11/2012 2:56:59 PM ~ Nicholas: Assume all money into one account, create triggers, address the matching. When you get the match..towards program or facility. We have not decided where the whole 100 million is. ...issues to be decided. Not decided yet how much is bldg and how much is program. . Maybe the donors decide. 1:48:20 ~ 12/11/2012 2:58:41 PM ~ boswell: Typically donors are approached with some specificity of what they are supporting, programs or bldgs. Govs rec on use of GE AML funds for eng. rebuild. Legislature directeed UW to work towards tier 1 for engineering and applied sciences, lang rsc. renovation and construction. Overall cost of 100 million. Legislature set aside 30 million. UW raises 15 million. UW request was for 60 million in capital construction ..est total of 105.8 total cost. UW recognizes that 60 million is not small ask..there may be other alternatives. UW suggested that it would take two years to fund. Gov has proposed funding efforts for engineering bldg 30 million in GF towards construction; 40 million swap of funds, which were AML funds directed towards UW partnership with GE for high plains gasification project. That project is on hold. UW is committed to 8 million in funding for the inititial work. Gov proposeds to take 40 million and direct into the university budget, ask UW to identify 40 million in GF toward the college of engineering project. 30 million in GF and 40 million in AML funds, (brought into budget ) and a like amount taken out of UW budget. Very substantial amount and not a simple process to swap out the full 40 million. 1:53:44 ~ 12/11/2012 3:04:06 PM ~ Nicholas: Expand the swap to include WYDOT..brought them into the last one. 1:54:00 ~ 12/11/2012 3:04:22 PM ~ boswell: 50 million in AML 1:54:13 ~ 12/11/2012 3:04:34 PM ~ Nicholas: identify highway projects..authorized swap last year with WYDot, Double A was a wydot swap. When we do the swap, we will continue the WYdot capacity that the UW does not have. work with Don Richards for the language for the swap. 1:55:21 ~ 12/11/2012 3:05:43 PM ~ Steward: Total appropriation this year is 70 million towards the engineering bldg? 1:55:43 ~ 12/11/2012 3:06:05 PM ~ Boswell yes 1:55:46 ~ 12/11/2012 3:06:08 PM ~ Steward: You only requested 60 million, what about the 10 million gap? 1:56:02 ~ 12/11/2012 3:06:24 PM ~ Boswell: Gov task force ..recognizes figures may go upward. Some consideration being given ....component with programs... Yes, if the UW raises 15 million, it would take the available funds to 115 million. 1:57:15 ~ 12/11/2012 3:07:37 PM ~ Wallis: What is the deal with GE and the High Plains Gasification. Why is it on hold? 1:57:44 ~ 12/11/2012 3:08:06 PM ~ Boswell: GE inerst in a dry feed system has morphed. to a slurry system. The project as originally envisioned ..technology may have moved away from that. Any relationship with GE contintues Powder river bsin coal, research relationship focused on Powder river coal, slurry based delivery method. There would be 3 million remaining out of the 150.5 There is a proposed agreement to use that balance for coal research with UW. There would be a GE mathcing compnent for any state funds. 2:00:33 ~ 12/11/2012 3:10:55 PM ~ Wallis: What did we get for our 51 million? 2:00:46 ~ 12/11/2012 3:11:08 PM ~ Boswell: We have committed 8.05 million, the remainder not spent. We received the original design work. We would split costs with GE 50/50. UW had some additional cost liablle for. Contractural obligation clearly defined. 100 million project comes with significant upfront costs. 2:02:17 ~ 12/11/2012 3:12:39 PM ~ Nicholas: Conference call that we would not be billed for tha half? 2:02:34 ~ 12/11/2012 3:12:56 PM ~ Boswell: GE expects to receive the funds. Opportunity moving forward..GE remains interested in continuing partnership for coal research. They would commit certain GE funds moving forward. 2:03:31 ~ 12/11/2012 3:13:53 PM ~ Wallis: What would that continued relationship focused on? 2:03:50 ~ 12/11/2012 3:14:12 PM ~ Boswell: Focused on slurry based delivery method..applicable for powder river bsin coal..an internal aspect. not moving water across state lines. 2:04:36 ~ 12/11/2012 3:14:58 PM ~ Meier: WE did not get a coal gasification plant, might get a slurry ..GE did all the work, billing us for half, may show up for rest? Fair statement Sounds like we have a 1/4 tank of gas to make the whole trip. 2:05:26 ~ 12/11/2012 3:15:48 PM ~ Berger: .... 2:05:39 ~ 12/11/2012 3:16:01 PM ~ Buchanan: We worked along side GE to design a coal conversion plant. We spent UW money (AML) funds to do that. GE contributed time, effort, resources. They spent 8, we spent about 4 so to true it up, owe them 4. We have a great looking design for a coal conversion plant we are not going to build. Leaves the construction money which the Gov is recommended being diverted..a little bit left for reesearch between GE and UW.. funding swap for college of engineering. 2:07:19 ~ 12/11/2012 3:17:40 PM ~ Meier: Do we own the design that we could sell or is it restricted? Was ther abreach of contract. 2:07:52 ~ 12/11/2012 3:18:14 PM ~ Buchanan: No breach of contract. Decision points throughout the project. GE - due to lack of national energy policy and use of coal.. Some components of project are proprietory and belong to GE. Parts of design UW may have. Limited # of folks building plants..have not looked into it. 2:09:16 ~ 12/11/2012 3:19:38 PM ~ Nicholas: Advanced alternative...3 million, then 9 million. Winning firm was an eastern company. SER said it was not what we intended to buy. 2:10:01 ~ 12/11/2012 3:20:23 PM ~ Boswell. The 9 million is still available. 2:10:14 ~ 12/11/2012 3:20:36 PM ~ Buchanan: SER board wearing a different hat. 2:10:24 ~ 12/11/2012 3:20:46 PM ~ Boswell: 9 million appropriated to govs office. 2:10:41 ~ 12/11/2012 3:21:03 PM ~ Nicholas: 3 million bid..paid bug company? Why are we researching proprietory technology? 2:11:04 ~ 12/11/2012 3:21:26 PM ~ Boswell: 500,000 appropriated through school of enegy.. two entities selected. All vetted through SER board. You may get a little more for your money than Sen Meier described earlier. 500,000 and 9 million is a drop in the bucket for what might be needed to make these processes marketable. 2:12:19 ~ 12/11/2012 3:22:41 PM ~ Nicholas: Gov...If bug company thinks it has 9 million available that is not true. If tech. is not moving forward, need soem overall plan. Otherwise SER staff is deciding where the money is going and not the legislature. 2:13:17 ~ 12/11/2012 3:23:39 PM ~ Boswell: SER board recognizes that no one was ready.. 2:13:45 ~ 12/11/2012 3:24:06 PM ~ Berger: UW budget.. any other questions. still have Wiche, ...10 minute break. 2:14:17 ~ 12/11/2012 3:24:39 PM ~ Pause 2:14:17 ~ 12/11/2012 3:59:52 PM ~ Resume 2:14:17 ~ 12/11/2012 3:59:52 PM ~ Buchanan no restrictions if Wyo resident 2:14:21 ~ 12/11/2012 3:59:56 PM ~ Berger further questions 2:14:39 ~ 12/11/2012 4:00:14 PM ~ Seward Gov denied comp request 2:15:00 ~ 12/11/2012 4:00:35 PM ~ Buchanan treated same 2:15:16 ~ 12/11/2012 4:00:51 PM ~ Buchanan both programs functioning well; cost of two residency programs; 2:16:13 ~ 12/11/2012 4:01:48 PM ~ Jones budget error on page 15. Pine bluffs clinic. restoration not reflected on page 16 2:17:12 ~ 12/11/2012 4:02:47 PM ~ Morebacker Gov rec to not reduce budget. 2:18:18 ~ 12/11/2012 4:03:53 PM ~ Berger page 18 gov denied reduction; page 22 div 200 money reinstated. 2:19:00 ~ 12/11/2012 4:04:35 PM ~ Morebacker number of major oil companies interest in oil recovery. Workshops in state; water flooding, implementation of co2; 2:20:54 ~ 12/11/2012 4:06:29 PM ~ Harshmann salt creek field 2:21:07 ~ 12/11/2012 4:06:42 PM ~ morebacker yes. rapid growth with oil prices; new pipeline provides co2 to Montana; positive developments 2:22:50 ~ 12/11/2012 4:08:25 PM ~ perkinw hq45zog draw? 2:23:08 ~ 12/11/2012 4:08:43 PM ~ Morebacker a big field. 2:23:22 ~ 12/11/2012 4:08:57 PM ~ Phillips introduced pete michael, chief deputy and stafff included steve Woodsen, Kevin Haller, Dave Harris, Cara Chambers, Budget only 71 pages. Page 4 and 8&9. Page 11 law office. P 12 shows reductions. money setaside for high cost . Effort to bring CLE's in house to reduce costs. Contracted services. Montana / Wyoming litigation. no out counsel. 2 attorney positions taken out.. Water positions funded by GF money. 2:32:28 ~ 12/11/2012 4:18:03 PM ~ Michael last budget session, several cases with water attornies. Fund insufficent to keep attorneys. 3 full water attorneys paid out of general fund. Specialists in water law. asking for status quo. 2:35:40 ~ 12/11/2012 4:21:15 PM ~ VonFlatern Governor's recommendation on two positions. 2:36:24 ~ 12/11/2012 4:22:00 PM ~ Jones can they be filled by july 1, 2013. A&I list of eliminated positions. positions for elimination for entire biennium. proposed period time varies. 2:38:50 ~ 12/11/2012 4:24:25 PM ~ VonFlatern difference between 12 and 15 months. 2:39:11 ~ 12/11/2012 4:24:46 PM ~ Perkins 8% reduction and county commissioner cases. Comments from county 2:40:12 ~ 12/11/2012 4:25:47 PM ~ Phillips County 2:40:37 ~ 12/11/2012 4:26:12 PM ~ Wallis reason for not using water account vs general fund. Stable source 2:41:23 ~ 12/11/2012 4:26:58 PM ~ Michaels State approp would run out before end of biennium 2:42:17 ~ 12/11/2012 4:27:52 PM ~ Wallis could leg choose accounts 2:42:41 ~ 12/11/2012 4:28:16 PM ~ Michaels water attorney job double duty at times. Can move attorneys for needs. 2:43:43 ~ 12/11/2012 4:29:18 PM ~ berger building expertise 2:44:00 ~ 12/11/2012 4:29:35 PM ~ steward balance of water account 2:44:20 ~ 12/11/2012 4:29:55 PM ~ Machael 2:44:51 ~ 12/11/2012 4:30:26 PM ~ Phillips Page 13 mistake in exception with general fund money. Gov rec to correct. Gov rec for 2 new fulltime positions. Health gave two positions in AG office. Page 14 IT positions transferred to ETS. Page 15 gold and silver plan for computers. page 21 division 300 section. Page22 original plan to make 8%. Included 7 positions eliminated. Page 23, positions not eliminated with new plan. Other reductions. Computer program system requirements. Gov approved modified revisions. Riverton field office with new space. Gov recommend reduction one half. Page 27 crime lab of DCI. Page 30 CGIF modified 8% reduction; support and maintenance costs; No enhancements. Page 31 IT positions moved to ETS Page 32 addl reassignments; 2:56:22 ~ 12/11/2012 4:41:57 PM ~ Berger smooth transition to ETS 2:56:39 ~ 12/11/2012 4:42:14 PM ~ Phillips move has worked out. DCI IT people ok. Page 34 Meth initative assignment of people. 2:58:15 ~ 12/11/2012 4:43:50 PM ~ Perkins Meth 2or 3rd drug of choice. any plans to change meth initiative 2:58:53 ~ 12/11/2012 4:44:28 PM ~ Phillips Meth standing with other drugs. lots of cases 3:00:16 ~ 12/11/2012 4:45:51 PM ~ AG employee Meth still a problem 3:00:57 ~ 12/11/2012 4:46:33 PM ~ Perkins should it be a separate initiative. 3:01:56 ~ 12/11/2012 4:47:31 PM ~ AG employee not shifting cost of munitions 3:02:32 ~ 12/11/2012 4:48:08 PM ~ Phillips Page 37 law enforcement academy 8% cut. Ammo cut; Local partner part of the cut. 3:04:51 ~ 12/11/2012 4:50:26 PM ~ AG emp. peace officer training and qualifications 3:05:50 ~ 12/11/2012 4:51:25 PM ~ Perkins Local agencies fee for training. Page 38 IT position to ETS. Page 42 Division 600 gold silver support. small budget amount. P 45 medical review panel. Rec 500k reduction. 3:08:30 ~ 12/11/2012 4:54:05 PM ~ Berger effectiveness of panel 3:08:41 ~ 12/11/2012 4:54:16 PM ~ Phillips passed in 2005. helps sort out cases.no specifics. Page 48 victum services. 90% of funds pass through to local providers. Gov limited cut to 4%. 3:10:21 ~ 12/11/2012 4:55:56 PM ~ Hastert why cut this particular line item. Federal budget cuts. 3:11:28 ~ 12/11/2012 4:57:03 PM ~ Phillips directed 8% cut. hold one division harmless not justified. Gov limited cut to 4 %. 3:13:10 ~ 12/11/2012 4:58:46 PM ~ Philllips Page 51 Child advocacy program. Gov rec no cut. Page 56 administration. Outreach to locals. Page 58. gold and silver to ETS. Page 64 painfull cuts to program. Page 68 capcon at wyo law enforcement academy. Building commission passed but money not available. End of budget review 3:19:34 ~ 12/11/2012 5:05:09 PM ~ Jones Page 568 iPad Gov recommendation two additional positions are transferred from dept of health. coorsponding reduction of 2 positions in WDH. Allows continuation of federal funds. Page 15 bottom of page. offsets money cut. General fund page 16 needs to reflect change. 3:22:38 ~ 12/11/2012 5:08:13 PM ~ Berger further comments? Thanked AG 3:23:02 ~ 12/11/2012 5:08:37 PM ~ State Parks and Cultural Resources Simpson Staff introductions. 2 exceptions and 2 capcom. 1st division Admn and support page 9. Eliminate 1 vacant position. 3:30:33 ~ 12/11/2012 5:16:08 PM ~ Berger position currently vacant 3:30:49 ~ 12/11/2012 5:16:24 PM ~ Simpson position did graphic production for advertising. services reduced. Video production contracted out.Cultural resources division page 14. All programs. P 16 eliminate AWAC position. 200 series reductions. State Museum program P 18. modest reduction for supplies and travel. State arch page 21. reduce number of vehicles 3 to 2. Page 23 State historic preservation office reduction of GF position replaced with federal funds.Position still exists, only funding change; 3:37:27 ~ 12/11/2012 5:23:02 PM ~ Berger Note on historical grant. what it is used for 3:37:54 ~ 12/11/2012 5:23:29 PM ~ funding allocation for historic preservation, tax credits, pass through 10% of funds to locals. Project review of federal projects 3:39:51 ~ 12/11/2012 5:25:26 PM ~ Berger 1.3 million - local use 3:40:19 ~ 12/11/2012 5:25:54 PM ~ hopkins maintain records on historical sites. Administration efforts. 3:41:26 ~ 12/11/2012 5:27:01 PM ~ berger confidence level of federal funds 3:41:41 ~ 12/11/2012 5:27:16 PM ~ hopkins have seen increase in fed funds. Project expedition. 3:42:42 ~ 12/11/2012 5:28:17 PM ~ Simpson budget reduction impact on SHIPO. Cultural record data input. Section 106 efforts. Wyoming Arts Councill P 27 reduction of general fund in 600 series. reduce travel, fewer dollars available in grants. Page 28 strategic planning for services. Fund conferences. Visual artists requests. 3:47:21 ~ 12/11/2012 5:32:56 PM ~ Jones Gov denial of request. One item in profile adds 20k for conference. 3:48:18 ~ 12/11/2012 5:33:53 PM ~ Simpson Archives program reductions in office supplies and equipment. reduced capacity. 3:49:38 ~ 12/11/2012 5:35:13 PM ~ Berger what is backlog on microfilm 3:49:52 ~ 12/11/2012 5:35:27 PM ~ simpson digital effort 3:50:22 ~ 12/11/2012 5:35:57 PM ~ Strom need to get back with specific numbers on backlog. efforts to keep equipment in working order. 3:51:14 ~ 12/11/2012 5:36:49 PM ~ Berger state working group 3:51:23 ~ 12/11/2012 5:36:58 PM ~ Strom yes 3:51:40 ~ 12/11/2012 5:37:15 PM ~ Simpson State parks and trails. reduction in number of places; reduct hot springs park position. seasonal pay - eliminate hot spot. reduce contract services. eliminate site criteria effort. seasonal services reduced. Gov denied 100k of reduction. proposed pack in-pack out for trash. 3:55:06 ~ 12/11/2012 5:40:41 PM ~ Meier public access to hot springs rec area. 3:55:42 ~ 12/11/2012 5:41:17 PM ~ Simpson unknown at this time. 3 parks with limited management. Would not close parks but not apply funds. 3:56:56 ~ 12/11/2012 5:42:31 PM ~ Bravo negotations with locals regarding public access. 3:57:30 ~ 12/11/2012 5:43:05 PM ~ Simpson any questions on impacts on parks. Parks division - list of needs prioritized. Capital construction requests; 2 projects. Guernsey state park drive. Denied by SPC. look at dam renovations and impacts on roads. 4:00:05 ~ 12/11/2012 5:45:40 PM ~ Meier bridge burned in Guernsey park 4:00:23 ~ 12/11/2012 5:45:58 PM ~ Simpson very few structures lost. both foot bridges. Page 47 South Pass City fire suppression denied. 4:01:34 ~ 12/11/2012 5:47:09 PM ~ Docksteader Impacts on historic sites on oil and gas leases 4:02:07 ~ 12/11/2012 5:47:42 PM ~ SPCR employee Actions generally reviewed well within time allowed. Generally review oil and gas lease reviewed in 7 days. allowed 30 days. 4:03:46 ~ 12/11/2012 5:49:21 PM ~ Berger thank you for presentation. Tomorrow start with Dept of Health. management council. Dec 13 and 14 photo op for session. Any other questions? 4:05:59 ~ 12/11/2012 5:51:34 PM ~ 4:07:16 ~ 12/11/2012 5:52:51 PM ~ Stop Recording