JAC INDEX TO AUDIO TAPES DECEMBER 18, 2014 7:30 AM – JAC LEGISLATION 15-LSO-0283.0.3 STATE EMPLOYEE’S GROUP INSURANCE-COUNTY EMPLOYEE 15LSO-0143.0.6 VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER AND EMT PENSION FUND 15LSO-0099.1.1 INVESTMENT OF STATE FUNDS CO-CHAIRMAN HARSHMAN IS THE CHAIR FOR THE DAY 12/18/2014 7:38:55 AM CHAIRMAN HARSHMAN – WILL WORK COMMITTEE BILLS ROLL CALL- SENATOR MEIER EXCUSED, ALL OTHERS PRESENT, QUORAM ESTABLISHED 12/18/2014 7:39:45 AM LSO 283 VERSION 3 STATE EMPLOYEE’S GROUP INSURANCE FOR COUNTY EMPLOYEES MATT ORBRECHT PRESENTING BILL 12/18/2014 7:41:11 AM ORBRECHT: …TOP OF PAGE 3, COUNTIES ARE ADDED TO ALLOW EMPLOYEES TO PARTICIPATE IN THE STATE PLAN. SUBSECTION E LINE COUNTY ADDED AND PROCESSES TO NOTIFY THE DEPT OF INSURANCE. 12/18/2014 7:42:42 AM ORBRECHT PART 4 HARSHMAN: ONCE YOU SAY YOU ARE IN, YOU HAVE 120 DAYS TO WORK OUT DETAILS, LINE 8 PAGE 4 ONCE YOU ARE IN , YOU ARE ALL IN FOR 5 YEARS ORBRECHT: CORRECT PG5 LINE 5 WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE INITIAL 5 YEARS HAVE EXPIRED, NOTIFY DEPT OF INSURANCE, IF CHOOSE NOT TO PARTICIPATE, THAT IS ALSO FOR 5 YEARS. HARSHMAN: WHAT LINE? ORBRECHT: PAGE 5, LINE 11 PAGE 6 LINE 3 ADDS PARTICIPATING COUNTY PAGE 7 LINE 1 PARTICIPATING COUNTY AND VOLUNTARY PARTICIPATING EMPLOYER, SCHOOL DISTRICT AND BOCHEESE. NEWLY DEFINED IN LINES 6-10 ORBRECT: PAGE 7, LINE 20 SPECIFIES MONTHY PREMIUMS . PAGE 8, STARTING ON LINE 1, EACH PARTICIPATING COUNTY SHALL PAY TO THE DEPT A MONTHLY AMOUNT EQUAL TO THE LOWEST PREMIUM FOR NONSUPPLEMENTAL COVERAGE…EVEN IF COUNTY HAS EMPLOYEES WHO DO NOT WANT TO BE MEMBERS, THE COUNTY MUST PAY THE LOWEST PREMIUM FOR NON-PARTICIPATING EMPLOYEES TO KEEP FROM CHERRY PICKING. STATE WILL GET PREMIUMS FOR ALL EMPLOYEES ORBRECT: PAGE 9 AND 10: MEAT OF DUTIES THE COUNTY COMMISSION CAN DO. NEW PARAGRAPH IX 12/18/2014 7:47:50 AM STUBSON: PAGE 8, CHERRY PICKING PREVENTION. IF EMPLOYEE HAS PREVIOUS COVERAGE, PREMIUM NOT PAID ORBRECHT: YES, IF YOU ARE GETTING COVERAGE THROUGH SPOUSES PLAN AND IT IS GREATER THAN COVERAGE PROVIDED…COUNTY WILL NOT PAY A PREMIUM BEBOUT: IF THEY CHOOSE TO BUY PRIVATE INSURANCE? ORBRECHT: IF THEY BOUGHT PRIVATE INSURANCE GREATER THAN THE COVERAGE OF THE STATE PLAN, COUNTY WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY. IT WOULD BE ANY OTHER INSURANCE PLAN BEBOUT: IF NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR STATE PLAN, WOULD BE UP TO US TO GET THE MONEY RICHARDS: COUNTY, SCHOOL DISTRICT OR BOCHEESE WOULD HAVE TO PAY NEW PREMIUM RATES IF INCREASED, COUNTIES AND COUNTY EMPLOYEES BEBOUT: TALK ABOUT TIMING..CASH FLOW. CONTRACT FOR ONE YEAR LOCK. HOW DO YOU HANDLE THE TIMING ISSUE? DO NOT COLLECT ENOUGH MONEY FIRST TWO OR THREE MONTHS, RICHARDS: WOULD DECREASE.. BEBOUT: WOULD EVEN OUT OVER THE YEARS RICHARDS: OVER THE LONG TERM, THE CASH BALANCE IS EXPECTED TO MAINTAIN ITSELF SO THEY WOULD PAY BUT PERHAPS NOT IN THE YEAR OF THE INITIAL HIT. 12/18/2014 7:52:14 AM GREEAR; PAGE 6, WILL DEFINITION OF EMPLOYEE INCLUDE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS? ORBRECHT: IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT DOES INCLUDE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS? GREEAR: ORBRECHT: OFFICIAL COVERS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. AMENDMENT GREEAR: “ INTERMITTENT, , IRREGULAR OR LESS THAN HALF-TIME BASIS”. NEED TO BE CLEAR ON THAT 12/18/2014 7:53:47 AM BURKHART: UNDER OR OVERAGE. WHAT IF THEY OWE THAT MONEY AND IT IS PAST THE FIVE YEARS AND THEY DECIDE TO DROP OUT? RICHARDS: COULD HAVE INSTANCE, COUNTY ENTERS, LEAVES AT THE SAME TIME RATES ARE GOING UP AT TIME OF REPLENISHMENT. IT IS POSSIBLE. 12/18/2014 7:55:07 AM PUBLIC COMMENTS: PETE OBERMULER: EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF WYOMING COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OBERMULLER: SEEKING NO CHANGES TO THE BILL. FOR BENEFIT OF INCOMING MEMBERS, WHAT WE DID AT ASSOCIATION WAS TO SEEK INFO. FROM ALL COUNTIES ABOUT THEIR PLANS, POLLED COUNTIES ON THE LEVEL OF THEIR INTEREST. 10 COUNTIES HAD A SIGNIFICANT INTEREST ….. HARSHMAN: SURVEY AT CASPER MEETING. PLEASE COPY THE SURVEY. OBERMULLER: MAJOR CRITICISMS OF BILL OVER TIME WERE 1. IF COUNTIES CAN JOIN STATE PLAN, WILL IT HURT PRIVATE COMPANIES IN WYOMING? OF THE 10 COUNTIES INTERESTED, ONLY 4 USE A TPA OR WYOMING CONSULTANT, THE REST ARE OUT OF STATE. 2. THE STATE PLAN IS ADMINISTERED BY A PRIVATE ADMINISTRATOR. MARKETPLACE AT WORK. JOINING WILL NOT BE CHEAP OR SUBSIZED. ANY ONE CAN OFFER SERVICES TO COUNTIES. 3. EMPHIRICAL EVIDENCE OF HARM FROM PREVIOUS ENTITIES JOINING THE STATE POOL. EX: SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH 2000 EMPLOYEES SO TRUE THREAT TO PRIVATE INDUSTRY IS SCHOOL DISTRICT NOT COUNTY EMPLOYEES. OVERMULLER: SECOND CRITICISM IS THAT BILLWILL DEGRADE THE STATE PLAN. ADDITION OF BOCHEESE AND ONE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS NOT DONE THAT. ASKING FOR FAVORABLE ACTION ON THE BILL BEBOUT: DISAGREE. ARGUMENT OF COUNTIES GOING OUT OF STATE. WITH FEDERAL EXCHANGE ONLY TWO COMPANIES CAN OFFER THAT INSURANCE. ACA. LOOK AT SMALL COMPANIES IN WYOMING, 80% OF BUSINESSES ARE SMALL. PREMIUMS ARE HIGHER THAN THE STATE RATES. HOW CAN YOU SAY IT WILL NOT IMPACT THOSE BUSINESSES? IT IS A MATTER OF VOLUME. I AGREE IF IT IS A SMALL NUMBER. IF COUNTIES CAN JOIN, WHY NOT CITIES, TOWNS? I THINK WE ARE GOING DOWN THE WRONG ROAD. I WOULD RATHER SEE THE PRIVATE SECTOR PROVIDE THE INSURANCE. REASON WE DO NOT SEE MORE SCHOOL DISTRICTS IS THAT THEY GET BETTER RATES WITH THE BLOCK PLAN. I DO NOT KNOW AT WHAT RATES THAT WOULD CHANGE. HOW MANY IN STATE PLAN? WHERE DOES THAT TIP OVER SO THAT SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS CAN NOT AFFORD INSURANCE? 12/18/2014 8:04:40 AM HARSHMAN: HANDOUT W/NOTES. STATE IS SELF-INSURED. WE HAVE 8 EMPLOYEES AND PART IS CONTRACTED OUT TO A NATIONAL ADMINISTRATOR. HOW MANY OF THESE ARE CURRENTLY SELF-INSURED? OVERMULLER: CARBON, FREMONT, LINCOLN, PARK AND WASHAKIE ARE SELF INSURED. PLATTE AND SHERIDAN HAVE A HYBRID..NOT SURE OF WHAT IT MEANS HARSHMAN: DO THEY CONTRACT OUT? OVERMULLER: YES. WHERE IT SAYS MINNESOTA ON LEFT OF SLASH IS WHERE COMPANY IS BASED. ON RIGHT OF SLASH, ADMINISTRATOR AND WHERE BASED. TPA AND CONSULTANT HARSHMAN: LINCOLN? PARK OVERMULLER: PARK …. HARSHMAN: WASHAKIE OVERMULLER: UTAH IS THEIR TPA AND THEY HAVE A WYOMING CONSULTANT. 12/18/2014 8:08:04 AM PERKINS: ARE MOST OF THESE THAT ARE FULLY SELF INSURED OR HYBRID ARE THEY RE-INSURED? OVERMULLER: CARBON DOES, NOT SURE PERKINS: DOES THE STATE USE RE-INSURANCE TO COVER CATASTROPHIC LOSSES. FAUCETT: TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO. 12/18/2014 8:09:19 AM ESQUIBEL: IN THESE PLANS, DO THE EMPLOYEE HAVE THOSE OPTIONS IF THEIR SPOUSE HAS COVERAGE OR THEY FIND A COMPARABLE PLAN, OR THROUGH THE EXCHANGE? OVERMULLER: EVERY COUNTY OPERATES DIFFERENTLY AND I DO NOT HAVE THE PLANS/RULES FOR THE COUNTIES. ESQUIBEL: LOWEST PLAN DEDUCTIBLE, GOSHEN AND PARK HAVE HIGH DEDUCTIBLES AND PREMIUMS ARE ABOUT HALF OF THE EMPLOYEE’S CHECK, SPECULATING ON MONTHLY INCOME, DO NOT KNOW HOW THEY AFFORD IT OVERMULLER: IT IS THE FOURTH COLUMN ARE THE HEALTH ONLY PREMIUMS FOR THE FAMILY. THE THIRD COLUMN IS THE TOTAL PREMIUM WHICH IS THE COUNTY AND EMPLOYEE COMBINED. 1129 FOR CARBON, 200 IS PAID OUT OF EMPLOYEE’S CHECK, THE REMAINDER IS PAID BY THE COUNTY ESQUIBEL: I DO NOT SEE HOW THE COUNTIES CAN AFFORD IT. 12/18/2014 8:12:06 AM HASTERT: WHAT DOES THIS LIST REPRESENT? IT IS A FRACTION OF THE COUNTIES. OVERMULLER: ASSOCIATION SURVEY ON A SCALE. THE LIST BEFORE YOU ARE COUNTIES WHO WERE MORE SERIOUS ABOUT JOINING SOONER. HASTERT: SAW FULL LIST THIS SUMMER. SWEETWATER COUNTY HAS LOW PREMIUMS IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER FOLKS. DISCUSSED WITH OUR COUNTY. LOWER BECAUSE OF THE SELF-INSURANCE. IS IT DRIVEN BY NUMBERS ONLY? CAN THE COUNTIES INTERESTED GET TOGETHER AND DO A COMBINED SELF-INSURANCE TO LOWER THEIR RATES? OVERMULLER: THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS, POPULATION OF COUNTY, # OF EMPLOYEES. NIOBRARA HAS 46 EMPLOYEES VS 500 FOR SWEETWATER. A SIGNIFICANT EVENT HAS RAISED THE RATES FOR SOME COUNTIES. SOME BOARDS ARE DEALING WITH A LEGACY SITUATION. REGIONALIZATION: I DON’T KNOW IF THERE HAVE BEEN THOSE DISCUSSIONS OR IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT. WYOMING MUNICIPALITIES… 12/18/2014 8:16:32 AM BEBOUT: HOW MANY OF THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTIES INTERESTED HAVE OTHER INSURANCE? DO YOU HAVE NUMBERS SAY 300 ELIGIBLE, HOW MANY HAVE OTHER INSURANCE? OVERMULLER: SOME RESPONDED WITH ELIGIBLE AND TAKE RATE. FOR THOSE COUNTIES THE DELTA WAS VERY SMALL. BEBOUT: WHAT ABOUT THE ACA? WHAT IS YOUR OPINION? OVERMULLER: BEBOUT: HAS ANY LOOKED AT THE EFFECT OF THE ACA ON COUNTIES? OVERMULLER: I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT. THE COUNTIES AND THEIR ADMINISTRATORS ARE CHARGED WITH THAT. THEY HAVE TO DO IT NOW, ONGOING PROCESS BEBOUT: IF THERE IS ANY INFO AS THIS MOVES FORWARD, IT WULD BE HELPFUL BEBOUT: SENATOR ENZI’S BILL ALLOWING ACROSS STATE LINES. IF IT PASSES, WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT ON THE COUNTIES OVERMULLER; HAVE NOT ANALYZED THAT 12/18/2014 8:19:33 AM PERKINS: I DO GET MY HEALTH INSURANCE THROUGH A COUNTY. MINE IS NOT ON THE LIST. I DO NOT THINK IT IS A CONFLICT. IT DOES IMPACT ME INDIRECTLY. BLIKRE: I ALSO GET MY INSURANCE THROUGH A COUNTY, THROUGH MY WIFE. 12/18/2014 8:20:41 AM HARSHMAN: COMMENTS OR TESTIMONY FROM AUDIENCE MEMBERS RON SNIFFIN, PLAN ADMINISTRATOR. HERE TO INTRODUCE OUR CONSULTANT, WILLIS COMPANY. CHERYL HAGEMAN. HAGEMAN: CONSULTANT FOR THE COMPANY OF WILLIS. 62 PUBLIC SECTOR EMPLOYEES AROUND WYOMING. I AM NOT HERE TO SWAY YOUR OPINION. WBTE CONSULTANT, 17000 MEMBERS. I CONSULT WITH EACH GROUP ON IMPACT OF HEALTH CARE REFORM, FOLLED INTO WBTE OFFERING AS A PLAN. AS EMPLOYEES ENTER STATE PLAN, WILL BE FACED WITH ISSUES…FINANCIAL IMPACT OF HEALTH CARE REFORM. EASIER TO SAY LET’S JOIN A POOL. WILL NOT BE THE CASE WITH….UNLESS THEY HIRE SOMEONE TO EDUCATE THEIR PEOPLE. I AM LICENSED AS A PRODUCER AND A CONSULTANT IN WYOMING. I DO NOT SERVE A PRODUCER ROLE. I DO NOT SELL. I ANALYZE A GROUPS’S POSITION. I REACH OUT ANNUALLY TO GROUPS OUTSIDE OF WBTE. I HAVE NEVER BEEN INVITED TO A COUNTY UNTIL IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS. HAGEMAN: SWEETWATER COUNTY SELF INSURED. EMPLOYEE STATE PLAN. 350 DEDUCTIBLE. THAT IS A VERY LOW DEDUCTIBLE IN THE STATE TODAY AND THE COST MUST BE EXTREME. GROUPS HAVE GONE FROM 200 TO 500 TO 1500 DEDUCTIBLES, PROS OF CONSUMER DRIVEN HEALTH CARE. WILLIS IS AN INETRNATIONAL COMPANY. I HAVE A 2500 DEDUCTIBLE AND I THINK COGNITIVELY ABOUT HEALTH CARE DECISIONS AND TIMING. YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT WIL FINANCIALLY IMPACT THE PLAN. WE MAKE 18 MONTH PROJECTIONS. NEED SIX MONTHS TO EVALUATE, TWO MONTHS TO TALK TO OUR PEOPLE. WITH 5 YEAR COMMITMENT, PUTTING STATE AT RISK OF VARIABLITY FOR 5 YEARS. RATE INCREASES….PROJECTING CLAIMS FOR 14-15 LAST JANUARY, LOOKING AT A 5% RATE RENEWAL. UNFORSEEN CLAIMS OCCUR..A 5 M CLAIM FROM ONE INDIVIDUAL OUT OF THOUSANDS. IF WE HAVE 10 OR MORE, WE ARE IN TROUBLE. YOU ARE PUTTING STATE IN A LIABILITY THAT COULD LAST FOR MANY YEARS. I CAUTION YOU. 12/18/2014 8:29:03 AM STUBSON: WEBT: ARE MEMBERS OF THAT TRUST SCHOOL DISTRICTS? HAGEMAN: WEBT, IN 2005 OPENED UP TO CITIES, TOWNS AND ANY PUBLIC DISTRICTS. STUBSON: SCHOOL DISTRICTS INCLUDED? HAGEMAN: YES STUBSON: MANY OF THEM CAN BE IN PLAN? HAGEMAN: YES STUBSON: ONE SCHOOL DISTRICT JOINED? .. HAGEMAN: OFTEN TIMES A MATTER OF EDUCATION. IF WE ARE NOT ABLE TO EDUCATE, IT PUTS US AT A LIABILITY. 12/18/2014 8:30:54 AM BEBOUT: SWEETWATER COUNTY – BETTER TO HAVE HIGHER DEDUCTIBLES. IN LONG TERM, SWEET WATER COUNTY IS BETTER OFF. IS THAT TRUE FOR OTHER PRIVATE SECTOR GROUPS. IF OTHER GROUPS MOVE IN WITHOUT YOU TALKING TO THEM, WOULD IT IMPACT THOSE PEOPLE…RATES, ETC. WHAT DOES IT DO TO ME AS A PRIVATE EMPLOYER? HAGEMAN: AS YOU MOVE UP ON A DEDUCTIBLE SCALE, THE PRICING GOES DOWN, EVEN AS A PRIVATE SECTOR EMPLOYER. BEBOUT: IF EXPANDED STATE GROUPS AND TOOK AWAY ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE, WOULD IT AFFECT OTHER PRIVATE GROUPS? HAGEMAN: I THINK IT WOULD IMPACT THEM. ROLE OF CONSULTANT IS TO STRATEGIZE WITH SOMEONE TO DEVELOP A PLAN THAT MAKES YOU COMPETITIVE WITH OTHER EMPLOYERS THAT YOU CAN AFFORD BEBOUT: WHAT ABOUT THE SMALL COMPANIES, 50 AND UNDER? DO YOU CONSULT WITH THEM? HOW WOULD THIS LEGISLATION IMPACT THEM AND IF THE STATE PLAN GREW? HAGEMAN: I CONSULT WITH EMPLOYERS THAT ARE LESS THAN 50, GROUPS AS SMALL AS TWO. WYOMING INSURANCE COMPANY MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION BETTER THAN I 12/18/2014 8:34:58 AM BURKHART: WEBT: HOW MANY SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE GONE WITH YOUR PROGRAM> HAGEMAN: AT LEAST 24 DISTRICTS BURKHART: FREE TO SAY THAT EVEN WITH A CHOICE, ONLY ONE HAS GONE WITH STATE PLAN, 20 HAVE NOT. REASON? HAGEMAN: 24 DISTRICTS. SELF-INSURED COVERED WITH STOP LOSS, GROUPS WITHIN ANOTHER TRUST, WYOMING SCHOOL BOARD INSURANCE TRUST. LARGE POOL OF RESOURCES THAT EDUCATION GROUPS CAN JOIN. WHAT MAKES WEBT UNIQUE? FULLY RESERVED, FULLY FUNDED, PAID FOR INCURRED BUT NOT REPORTED CLAIMS, 30 DAY NOTICE AND PAY CLAIMS PRIOR TO TERMINATION DATE, EVEN IF NOT REPORTED. THE LARGER A POOL, THE LARGER THE GROUP, THE MORE WE CAN PROJECT CLAIMS. WEBT HAS THINGS TO OFFER THAT ANOTHER TRUST MAY NOT. WITH TRUST OR FULL-INSURED, THE LIABILITY IS NOT WITH THE DISTRICT BUT WITH THE INSURANCE CO. FREES UP RESPONSIBIILTIES FROM THE DISTRICT. CONSULTING IS A FREE SERVICE OF WEBT. GREEAR: WIFE ON COMPENSATION COMMITTEE OF A SCHOOL DISTRICT. DECIDING FACTOR IS USE OF 32 HR PART TIME EMPLOYEES. UNDER THE STATE PLAN, THOSE EMPLOYEES HAVE TO BE COVERED. IS THAT A FACTOR? HAGEMAN; YES. WITH TRUST AND SELF-INSURED CAN DEFINE ELIGIBIILTY AND COVERAGE RATE. WITH ACA HOURS GO TO 30…DIFFERENT SPLITS OF PREMIUMS, DIFFERENT RULES OF ELIGIBIITY. 12/18/2014 8:40:01 AM HARSHMAN: ANYONE ELSE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF BLUE CROSS, BLUE SHIELD RICK SHU SHUMAN: GET INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYERS IN ROOM, TRY TO CREATE A POOL, OFFER SOMETHING BIG. BIGGER IS NOT BETTER. IT IS MORE PREDICTIABLE. PEOPLE BENCHMARK THEMSELVES TO AN AVERAGE. THOSE WHO PAY MORE ARE NOT INTERESTED. THOSE WHO WOULD PAY LESS WANT TO JOIN. THAT IS WHERE THE DISCUSSION FALLS APART. WEBT, WAMJEP, FORMED EARLIER, NOT SURE IT COULD BE DONE TODAY. IT IS VERY COMPLEX. COMPOSITION OF AVERAGE VARIES. BY OPENING UP THE STATE GROUP TO THOSE EMPLOYERS, THEY WILL DO THE SAME THING. THOSE THAT IT IS CHEAPER WILL WANT TO JOIN, OTHERS WILL NOT. WHAT IS THE RISK TO THE STATE? WOULD WE TAKE ONE EMPLOYER’S PLAN, THE STATE, AND END UP SUBSIDIZING? SHUM: BEBOUT’S QUESTION ABOUT IMPACT ON PRIVATE SECTOR. AS YOU BEGIN TO EXPAND GOVT PLAN, DECISIONS ABOUT DEDUCTIBLES AND CO-PAYS DO DRIVE WHAT OTHER EMPLOYERS IN COMMUNITY HAVE TO DO. MORE COMPLEX. CHANGING HEALTH CARE HAS CREATED MORE DIFFICULTIES FOR EMPLOYERS. RE-INSURANCE FEE HAS TO BE PAID. HEALTH INSURANCE IS JUST PART OF THE TOTAL COMPENSATION. I HAVE A 1000 DEDUCTIBLE AND I WORK FOR AN INSURANCE COMPANY. HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS IN CONTEXT WITH PAY DECISIONS. WHEN YOU START TO EXPAND THINGS LIKE THIS, START PUTTING EMPLOYER DECISIONS IN THE LONG RUN IN THE POOL 12/18/2014 8:45:40 AM ESQUIBEL: SMALL COUNTIES – 5 M INCIDENT IN THAT COUNTY SHUM: I DO NOT KNOW OF A COUNTY WHO DOES NOT HAVE A STOP-LOSS. YOU SHED THAT TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY. IT IS A SMOOTHING OUT OF WHEN AND HOW TO PAY THAT. RE-INSURANCE RATE WOULD GO UP. WOULD PAY FOR IT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME ESQUIBEL: WOULD HAPPEN IN A GOVT PLAN AND A SMALL BUSINESS PLAN? SHUM: CORRECT 12/18/2014 8:47:17 AM DOCKSTADER: COULD THIS PROPOSAL BE AFFECTED BY THE ACA OR THE ENZI PROPOSAL? SHUM: ACA WILL IMPACT THIS DECISION, DO NOT KNOW WHAT CONGRESS WILL DO AS WE MOVE FORWARD. I HAVE TO TAKE A VERY CONSERVATIVE ROLE. ENZI LEGISLATION – I DON’T THINK IT WILL ATTRACT MORE CARRIER INTO THE STATE. I HEAR BCBS OF NORHT DAKOTA HAVE LOWER PREMIUMS, GET THEM DOWN HERE. THEY ARE LESS BECAUSE THE CARE COST IS LESS IN NORTH DAKOTA. COMPANIES WOULD SET RATES BASED ON COST OF CARE IN WYOMING. NO PREDICTIBILITY WITH ACA. RE-INSURANCE FEE IS SIGNIFICANT. IF COUNTIES PAY IT NOW, AND THEY COME INTO THE STATE PLAN, WHO WILL PAY THE FEE? THE COUNTY OR THE STATE SO THEN IT BECOMES AN ISSUE OF WHO WILL PAY IT FOR COUNTIES NOT IN THE PLAN? BEBOUT: NUMBER OF COMPANIES THAT WILL QUOTE PREMIUMS IS NARROWING. AS YOU GROW PUBLIC SECTOR, IT HAS TO IMPACT PRIVATE. CAN YOU QUANTIFY IT> SHUM: I CAN’T QUALIFY IT. PUBLIC EMPLOYERS ARE PART OF THE MKT IN CHEYENNE. AS YOU MOVE PRIVATE INTO PUBLIC, IT SHRINKS THE MARKET SO IT MAKES IT LESS ATTRACTIVE 12/18/2014 8:51:33 AM ESQUIBEL: COST DRIVERS OF COST OF CARE. UNCOMPENSATED CARE, LOW POPULATION IN WYOMING ALSO DRIVE COSTS. MULTI STATE PLANS AND LARISSA PLANS. HOW CAN A SMALL COUNTY COMPETE WITH THOSE TYPES OF PREMIUMS THAT THEY ARE FORCED TO PAY? SHUM: UNCOMPENSATED CARE IN WYOMING DRIVES UP THE COST OF CARE FOR ALL INSURED IN WYOMNIG, HOSPITALS HAVE TO MAKE BOTTOM LINE AND THAT IS HOW THEY DO IT. EX: UNION PACIFIC PLAN, CALIFORNIA BUYING CARE FOR LESS ARE PROBABLY SUBSIDIZING THE WYOMING PEOPLE WHO PAY MORE FOR CARE. 12/18/2014 8:53:49 AM MEIER: BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD IS ALSO A THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR? TWO PROFIT CENTERS? SHUM: INSURANCE EARNINGS ON RISK, ADMINISTRATOR IS FEE. MEIER: SO MUCH TURMOIL. I VIEW THE STATE POOL AS A SAFE HARBOR. SOME COUNTIES DO NOT OFFER INSURANCE, THEY OFFER A STIPEND. EMPLOYEES ARE GIVEN A STIPEND. THESE ARE THE TYPE OF COUNTIES THAT WILL COME IN. I BELIEVE POOL OF STATE IS SO LARGE THAT EVEN WITH ADVERSE SELECTION BY GROUPS, WILL NOT MAKE A LARGE DIFFERENCE IN COST. WHERE IS THE RISK TO THE STATE IF IT IS THAT SMALL? SHUM: NIOBRARA WITH 48 EMPLOYEES DOES NOT OFFER HEALTH INSURANCE. THE QUESTION IS WHY? WHAT IS UNDERLYING THAT? NIOBRAR COUNTY HAS THE SAME ISSUE WITH HOSPITAL. FULLER INVESTIGATION. COUNTY WITH BAD RUN OF CLAIMS WILL BE INCLINED TO JUMP IN. IT DOES PUT THE STATE AT RISK. YOU CAN NOT BASE IT ON NUMER OF PEOPLE. IF THERE IS A 5 M CLAIM, WHO PAYS FOR IT? 12/18/2014 8:58:21 AM HARSHMAN: BEBOUT: CITIES, TOWNS, COUNTIES, PROVIDE INFORMATION ON HWO THEY DO IT. SIMONSON. EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF WYOMING ASSOCIATION OF CITIES AND MUNICIPILITIES. 43 UNDER POPULATION OF 500, FORMED WAMJPIC, USE BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD AS ADMINISTRATRO. VERY SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE OF HISTORY AND SCALE. LARGER COMMUNITIES ARE SELF-INSURED FOR THE MOST PART. WE AS WAMM ARE IN FULL SUPPORT OF WCCC DECISION AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A CHOICE. WE ARE WELL TAKEN CARE OF. 12/18/2014 9:00:33 AM HARSHMAN: MOTION ON BILL? NICHOLAS MOVED BILL. SECONDED BY MONIZ WORK THE BILL: AMENDMENTS BY PAGE. NONE SUBMITTED. BILL DISCUSSION ESQUIBEL: LOOK AT STATE AS BIG POOL AND COUNTIES AS SMALL GUYS. MEIER: INSURANCE COMPANIES AND ACA. QUESTION OF COURTS SAYING GOVT HAS TO PICK UP PREMIUMS OF ACA IN A FEW YEARS. TODAY, YOU ARE MANDATED TO BUY INSURANCE. WOULDN’T YOU LOVE TO BE IN A BUSINESS THAT THE GOVT SAYS MUST BE BOUGHT AND GOVT WILL PAY FOR IT. NOT A LOT OF SYMPATHY FOR INSURANCE BUSINESS. HARD ROW TO HOE BECAUSE OF CHANGES. IF IT STAYS THE SAME, WILL BE GUARNATEED PEOPLE MUST BUY PRODUCT. RELATIVELY SMALL PART OF COMPETITION, OKAY. SMALL AMOUNT OF CUSTOMERS, NICHOLAS: SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF BILL. NIOBRARA AND CARBON, BETTER RATES. HASTERT: WHAT DOES ACA HAVE TO DO WITH THIS BILL, MANDATES? MANDATES ON AUTO INSURANCE. WHAT WERE COST DRIVERS 10 YEARS AGO? WE COULD NOT SUSTAIN AN INUSRANCE PROGRAM 10 YEARS AGO. NEEDED INSURANCE REFORM. THE DRIVER IN THE STATE OF WYOMING IS THE HIGH COST OF DELIVERIES OF HEALTH CARE. INSURANCE COMPANIES HAD TO RETURN PREMIUMS BECAUSE 80% HAS TO GO INTO HEALTH CARE. STICK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND. SHOULD SMALLER COUNTIES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN? HARSHMAN: CALL FOR THE VOTE. DOCKSTADER IS NO, HASTERT IS AYE, MEIER AYE, PERKINS NO, BLIKRE AYE, BURKHART AYE, ESQUIBEL AYE, MONIZ AYE, NICHOLAS AYE, STUBSON AYE, BEBOUT NO, HARSHMAN AYE. THE BILL PASSES 9 TO 3. HOUSE OR SENTAT FILE. HARSHMAN: WILL START WITH A HOUSE BILL AND REP GREEAR WILL BE THE FLOOR MANAGER WHEN WE COME BACK. TEN MINUTE BREAK. 12/18/2014 9:30:10 AM 15-LSO-0143.1.1 Volunteer firefighter and EMT pension fund. BURNS DECLARED CONFLICT OF INTEREST. ORBRECHT: SUMMARY OF BILL, PAGE BY PAGE. DIETRICH: TO QUALITY FOR PLAN, MUST TAKE 120 HOUR COURSE AND HAVE ATTENDANCE CARD AS BASIC EMT NICHOLAS: WHAT IS INDUSTRIAL AMBULANCE SERVICE, FOR PROFIT AMBULANCE SERVICE, WHY NOT NON-PROFIT AS SOME DO CHARGE FEES? ORBRECHT: INDUSTRIAL AMBULANCE IS ONE PROVIDED BY LARGE COMPANY, SUCH AS COAL COMPANY. CONNOLLY: EMT SERVICE IS VOLUNTARY, COVERED? ORBRECHT: YES DIETRICH: MINIMUM RESPONSE FEE TO MEMBERS RESPONDING TO FIRE CALLS, MINIMUM WAGE AT BEST. NOMINAL COMPENSATION. HUBBER, CAMPBELL COUNTY FIRE CHIEF: VOLUNTEER CANNOT MAKE MORE THAN 20% OF SALARY OF FULL TIME FIREFIGHTER IN HIS COMMUNITY. PAID $10/HOUR, LIMITED TO 800 HOURS ANNUALLY. RYERSON: JUST UNDER A MILLION WHEN FUND ESTABLISHED. $80,000 REMAINDER AS OF JANUARY 1 NICHOLAS: GUARANTING BENEFITS CAN BE DANGEROUS. ONLY WITHDRAW WHAT HAS BEEN PAID IN. BEBOUT: MUST HAVE LEGISLATIVE APPROVAL TO PAY COLA FOR ANY RETIREMENT PLAN ORBRECHT: PAGE 9, ANNUAL AUDIT. PAGE 10, GIFTS AND DONATIONS ACCEPTED FROM PUBLIC TO FUND. PAGE 11, HOW CONTRIBUTIONS ARE COLLECTED AND FORWARDED TO RETIREMENT SYSTEM. PAGE 12, PAYMENTS OF $17.00 PER YEAR UP TO 10 YEARS AND $20.00 PER YEAR OF SERVICE OVER 10 YEARS. DEATH BENEFIT COVERS VESTED PARTICIPANTS, EQUATES TO MORE THAN 5 YEARS FOR SPOUSES OR CHILDREN UNDER 21 YEARS OF AGE. ROSS: CHILDREN/LEGAL GUARDIAN ORBRECHT: MUST HAVE AT LEAST 5 TOTAL YEARS OF SERVICE TO RECEIVED BENEFIT. MUST CONTRIBUTE $15.00/MONTH. DELINQUENT MEMBER PAYMENTS, PAYMENTS TO PARTNER RYERSON: 900 RETIREES IN THIS PLAN, SO BENEFITS WILL HAVE TO BE SCALED BACK. ORBRECHT: NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ANY BENEFIT IF DO NOT CONTRIBUTE UNTIL RETIREMENT AGE MET. ACTIVE DUTY; LUMP SUM DEATH PAYMENT TO ESTATE, SPOUSE OR CHILDREN. PAGE 21, NEW BOARD, 6 MEMBERS WHO ARE VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS WITH AT LEAST 5 YEARS SERVICE; PURCHASE OF SERVICE CREDITS; DEPOSIT OF PERCENTAGE OF GROSS TAX LEVIED UPON FIRE INSURANCE PREMIUMS PAID TO INSURANCE COMPANIES FOR FIRE INSURANCE IN THE STATE OF WYOMING INTO FIREFIGHTER AND EMT PENSION ACCOUNT. 12/18/2014 10:49:33 AM RYERSON: MUST HAVE 80% OF GROSS TAX LEVIED OR ONLY GIVE ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS, NOT RETIREES, EXTRA BENEFIT OR EXTRA BENEFIT ONLY FOR YEARS GOING FORWARD. VARIOUS COLUMNS SHOW OPTIONS TO KEEP FUND SOUND. MEMO 2, COLUMN 9 PERKINS: 30% OF PREMIUM TAX? ORBRECHT: REALLOCATION OF GROSS TAXES. BEBOUT: $30 MILLION INSURANCE CREDITS TO SMALL BUSINESSES GREEAR: WILL AFFECT GENERAL FUND AS INSURANCE CREDITS GO AWAY. $26 MILLION SENT TO THIRD PARTY FOR INVESTMENT PURPOSES. CREDITS HAVE BEEN SOLD TO INSURANCE COMPANY(S). JOHNSON, INSURANCE DEPARTMENT: INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE NOT TAKEN CREDITS AS BEEN SOLD TO ANOTHER SOURCE DUE TO A RECAPTURE TIME FRAME. DIETRICH: BETTER THAN CURRENTLY AVAILABLE. BEBOUT: BETTER BENEFITS IF PARTICIPATE LONGER. PARTICIPANTS USED TO PAY $12.50/MONTH, PROPOSED IS $15.00/MONTH. STUDY 1. MONIZ: STUDY 4 GOOD? DIETRICH: GOOD WITH ANYTHING PROPOSED AS IS AN IMPROVEMENT. RYERSON: STUDY 4 IS A COMPROMISE. WILSON, GLENDO VOLUNTEER EMT: PENSION STARTED 6 YEARS AGO. NEED A SOLID PENSION PLAN FOR FIREFIGHTERS AND EMT VOLUNTEERS. RICHARDS: EVERY 10% OF GROSS TAX WILL HAVE $690,000 ANNUAL IMPACT TO GENERAL FUND MONIZ: WORK BILL IN REVERSE, IN ACCORDANCE WITH STUDY 4? HARSHMAN: DOCKSTADER MOTION, SECONDED BY ESQUIBEL. BURKHARDT: PAGE 4, LINE 16, MOTION, SECONDED BY NICHOLAS. DEFEATED. MEIER: PAGE 4, LINE 16, MOTION, SECONDED BY NICHOLAS. DEFEATED. BEBOUT, SECONDED BY HARSHMAN: PAGE 7, LINE 18. CARRIED. PERKINS: PAGE 11, LINE 15 AMENDMENT, SECONDED BY BEBOUT. CARRIED. 12/18/2014 11:47:44 AM BEBOUT: AMENDMENT ON PAGE 12, 13 AND MAKE CONSISTENT IN REMAINDER WITH STUDY 4, SECONDED BY BURKHARDT. CARRIED. STUBSON, PAGE 13, LINE 14 AMENDMENT, SECONDED BY BEBOUT. CARRIED. NICHOLAS: CARRIES TO PAGE 14 ALSO. OBRECHT: $3.1 MILLION ANNUALLY REQUIRED OF FIRE INSURANCE PREMIUMS SHALL GO INTO ACCOUNT? NICHOLAS: PAGE 27, LINE 5 AMENDMENT, BEBOUT: CHANGE TO 70% ON PAGE 26 AND 27, SECONDED. TIE; DIED. PERKINS: PAGE 26, LINE 7, CONFORMS TO PAGE 27, SECONDED BY BEBOUT. CARRIED. ROLL CALL VOTE TAKEN. CARRIED. HOUSE BILL CARRED BY BURKHARDT. 12/18/2014 12:14:44 PM 12/18/2014 1:03:49 PM RESUME SESSION. BIL 15LSO-0090.1.1 INVESTMENT OF STATE FUNDS CHAIRMAN HARSHMAN. MATT ORBRECHT PRESENTS THE BILL ORBRECHT: PG 2 REQUIREMENTS REMAIN THE SAME EXCEPT FOR LINE 6-10. STATEMENT ON PROPOSED AMENDMENT IN SECTION 2 DO NOT CHANGE FROM THE VERSION IN CASPER HARSHMAN: BEBOUT: NOT WITHSTANDING…BETTER TERMINOLOGY? ORBRECHT: INCLUDE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. HARSHMAN: MOVED TO A SEPARATE SECTION, REFRESH MEMORIES ORBRECHT: ORIGINALLY IT WAS ARTICLE 15.. COMMITTEE DISCUSSION TREASURER MARK GORDON: GORDON: CONCERN WAS WHAT DOES THE PHRASE STOCK AND EQUITIES MEAN FOR THE PHASE STOCK AND EQUITIES IN 2016? WE BROUGHT A PROPOSED AMENDMENT. INTENT IS TO INCLUDE THE LANGUAGE AS DRAFTED, IN A SENTENCE AT THE END OF 16-6 STRIKE THE TERM CAPITAL FROM CAPITAL STOCK, WHICH IS AN ARCHIAC TERM…. HARSHMAN: YOU WOULD LIKE US TO FIX TWO PROBLEMS WITH ONE AMENDMENT? GORDON: THAT WOULD BE NICE. ROSS: THIS IS GOING INTO OUR CONSTITUTION. COUNSEL: BETSY .. IT IS IN THE PRECEDING SENTENCE, FIX IT THERE? STUBSON: WHEN A COURT READS THIS CHANGE TO THE CONSTITUTION. YOU CHANGED IT FOR A REASON, NOT FOR ELIMINATING ARCHIAC LANGUAGE. MY CONCERN IS COURT INTERPRETATION. IF YOU LEAVE IT AS CAPITAL STOCK, IT IS INTERPRETED AS IT HAS BEEN. OTHERWISE, BETTER INCLUDE SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT WE MEAN, EVEN THOUGH CHANGING THE LANGUAGE. GORDON: WE ARE FINE WITH THAT. AN ATTEMPT TO TIDY UP BUT UNDERSTAND STUBSON’S POINT ESQUIBEL: MOST VOTERS WILL READ IT IN LAYMEN TERMS NOT IN RESPECT TO COUNSEL. I WOULD LIKE IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE. 12/18/2014 1:16:39 PM BURKHART: ADDITIONAL WORDING. IS IT FOR EACH TIME OR IS IT BLANKET AUTHORIZATION? HOW WOULD IT BE INTERPRETED? STUBSON: DESCRIBED PARAMETERS, CAN DO IT IN ONE STATUTE …DEPENDS ON THE LEGISLATURE HARSHMAN: PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. NICHOLAS: TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE STUBSON TALKED ABOUT. GO TO THE DRAFT BILL. INSTEAD OF DELETING EQUITIES, PUT EQUITIES AN STOCK OF PRIVATE COMPANIES. ALLOWING EQUITIES TO REMAIN ..”SUCH STOCK”, INSERT “SUCH STOCK AND EQUITIES” THEN EQUITIES WILL BE IN BOTH PLACES. EQUITIES IS A BROADER TERM FOR TRADING MECHANISMS. SAFER WAY TO CONFORM THE AMENDMENT TO CONSTITUTIONAL LANGUAGE AND OBVIOUS TO SUPREME COURT THAT IT IS EXPANSION OF NOT JUST STOCK. GORDON: CASPER MEETING, PERKINS RECOMMENDED EQUITIES AS A BROADER TERM. CONCERN OF LOOSING THE RESTRICTIONS ON THE TREASURER TOO MUCH. VOTERS…. 12/18/2014 1:21:29 PM ESQUIBEL: MORE UNDERSTANDABLE. IF IT IS NOT AND THE VOTER SKIPS IT, IT GOES DOWN AS A NO VOTE. HARSHMAN: LIKE LANGUAGE AS IT IS IN THE BILL MEIER: MODIFY THE EXISTING SENTENCE FAIRLY EASY..GET RID OF THE RED, REINSERT CAPITAL STOCK AND PUT IN “AND SECURITIES”,,, MEIER; GRAMMER ALRIGHT, HARSHMAN: I LIKE A SEPARATE SECTION. BY PUTTING IT IN SEPARATE SECTION, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING. CURRENT CONSTITUTION DOES NOT REQUIRE THE 2/3 VOTE? GREEAR: I AGREE. START MAKING TWEEKS COULD CAUSE ARGUMENT THAT TREASURER GORDON HAS BEEN DOING THINGS HE SHOULDN’T. LINE 10 PERMANENT FUNDS OF THE STATES . “AS ALLOWED BY ARTICLE 16”. REFER BACK. OPENING UP BROADER. 12/18/2014 1:27:02 PM ORBRECHT: SUGGESTION FOR REP GREEAR: AKWARD TO REFER BACK TO ARTICLE 16. COULD DO IT “MAY BE INVESTED IN THE SAME MANNER AS PERMANENT FUNDS IN THE STATE” HARSHMAN: SECTION 20 OF ARTICLE 15 MEIER: INSTRUMENTS WE ARE INVESTING IN ARE OUTSIDE THE TERM CAPITAL STOCK. BETTER CLEAN THE MESS UP. DERIVITIVES AND STOCKS ARE DIFFERENT NOW. CONSTITUTION IS LIVING DOCUMENT. GORDON: PERMANENT FUNDS ARE MEANT TO BE INVIOLATE. ….CHECKING ACCOUNT…3RD FUND IS TO PROVIDE A LITTLE INCOME, LEGISLATIVE DECISION. CHAIN OF WORK, ATTORNEY GENERALS OPINIONS, INTERPRETATION THAT THE AG OPINION PROSCRIBES STOCKS, NOT OTHER INVESTMENTS. WE ARE CLEARLY WITHIN GUIDELINES OF THE CONSTITUTION. ORBRECHT: DISCUSSION OF FEDERAL CONSTITUTION VS STATE. MEIER: STATE CAN DO WHAT EVER THEY WANT? ORBRECHT: COURTS HAVE HELD . IF NOT STATED OR EXPRESSLY IMPLIED, THEN THE STATE CAN DO IT. HARSHMAN: MOVED BY STUBSON, SECONDED BY MR. COCHAIR. STUBSON: PROPOSED AMENDMENT. STRIKE AND INSTERT ON PG 2 LINE 9, MAY AUTHORIZE THE INVESTMENT OF FUNDS NOT DESIGNATED AS PERMANENT FUNDS IN THE SAME MANNER AS PERMANENT FUNDS. AMENDMENT SECONDED. STUBSON: SAYS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, HARSHMAN: AMENDMENT ADOPTED. 12/18/2014 1:36:53 PM PERKINS: PAGE 2, WITHDRAWN. HARSHMAN: CALL THE ROLE. THIS WILL BE A SENATE FILE. BEBOUT: WE HAVE TWO ATTORNEYS HARSHMAN: THANK YOU MR. TREASURER. 12/18/2014 1:38:54 PM HARSHMAN: WYOMING TOURISM BOARD. 12/18/2014 1:40:51 PM HARSHMAN: AGENCY 66 TOURISM, APOLOGIZE FOR DELAY. GIVE UPDATE AND THEN GO THROUGH BUDGET SHOBER: DIRECTOR OF THE AGENCY. INTRODUCTION OF MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. PROMOTIONAL AND ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN, FULLY INTEGRATED MARKETING CAMPAIGN. TELEVISION ADS,…..CAMPAIGNS WORKING WELL, OCCUPANCY INCREASED, TAXES UP, and ATTENDANCE AT NATIONAL PARKS WAS IMPRESSIVE AS WELL AS CFD. INDICATORS OF GOOD YEAR. HARSHMAN: GO THROUGH BUDGET SHOBER: HANDOUT HAS SLIDES . WEBSITE REDESIGN AND INTERFACE. 6.5 m SPNET YEARLY. TECHNOLOGY CHANGES CONTINUALLY. HARSHMAN: ON YOUR SITE? SHOBER: CORRECT. WANT ONE CENTRAL REPOSITORY THAT FEEDS DESKTOP, TABLET AND MOBILE. EX: TRAVEL OREGAN HAS INTUITIVE AND RESPONSIVE. WE DO NOT. HARSHMAN: I AM ON THE TRAVEL OREGAN SITE. GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE. SHOBER: IT IS WITHIN THE SITE. PERSON WOULD ONLY HAVE TO FEED IT ONE TIME. HARSHMAN: …..ONE PERSON RESPONSIBLE IN A TEAM OF 7 SHOBER: REASON FOR DESIGN IS EFFICIENCY AND ………….WANT ACCURATE AND UP TO DATE INFORMATION. FEATURES OF RESPONSIVE DESIGN INCLUDE RATINGS, CHAT FEATURE, RECOMMENDATIONS, HARSHMAN: A PERSON IN YOUR OFFICE OR SOMEONE CONTRACTED OUT? SHOBER: BOTH. VISITOR CENTERS, TRAILBOSSES WOULD BE PART OF THIS TEAM. BEBOUT: GOOGLE VACATIONS WESTERN US. IST ONE TO POP UP IS WYOMING. ON PHONE IT GOES TO CRUISE. ON TABLET IT GOES TO WESTERN EUROPE. SHOBER: WHAT FEEDS UP THOSE RESPONSES IS WHAT IS OPTIMIZED IN YOUR SITE. WE SPEND 500,000 PER YEAR FOR SEARCH ENGINNER ADVERTISING, BUYING KEY WORDS. BEBOUT: VISIT WYOMING ONLY HS 446 FOLLOWERS. WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME? SHOBER: WHERE AT? BEBOUT; WYOMING.ORG, APP SHOBER: MAY BE A SPECIFIC GOODLE APP, CAN NOT ANSWER WITHOUT SEEING WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT 12/18/2014 1:56:47 PM CONNOLLY: WHO WILL BE ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS. SHOBER: BUILDING A TEAM OF ADVOCATES. WE HAVE A TRAINING PROGRAM THROUGH PROGRAMS ACROSS THE STATE, ACHIEVE A TRAIL BOSS STATUS. PEOPLE THROUGH OUT WYOMING. CONNOLLY: IS IT NEW JOB DUTIES FOR FOLKS WORKING AT VISITOR CENTERS. SHOBER…. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT BEBOUT HAS PULLED UP. NOW WORKING ON SOCIAL MEDIA ORGANIZATION, VISITORS FEEDING IN TO YOUIR OWN SOCIAL, LEVERAGING WHAT IS OUT THERE. WOULD ADD FOREIGN LANGUAGE TRANSLATION. SECOND REQUEST IS ABOUT FOREIGN DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS THE TECHNOLOGY TO BUILD OUT THE CONTENT. WILL ASK FOR … SHOBER: DASHBOARD AND REPORTING MECHANISM, INFORMATION, SMALL COMPONENT OF INTEGRATION OF FRONT END TO BACK END. RFP FOR AD AGENCY IN THE SPRING OF 2015, WITH NEW CAMPAIGN IN 2016. WANT HIS ISSUED NOW SO WE CAN HAVE NEW WEBSITE DEVELOPED IN CONJUNCTION WITH CAMPAIGN. APPROX 500,000. PROPOSAL CHANNELLED THROUGH ETS. 12/18/2014 2:01:18 PM ROSS: DO WE USE FACEBOOK, ETC NOW? THIS IS INTEGRATING IT? SHOBER: YES WE DO BUT TAKES IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL. SHOBER: QUICK CHANGES IN TECHNOLOGY. BUILDING A BASE PLATFORM ALLOWS YOU TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOCIAL MEDIA. ENGAGE WITH CONSUMERS, PRIOR TO, DURING AND AFTER THEIR TRIP. WEBSITE PLATFORM IS A CRITICAL PART OF OUR ADVERTISING. DISCUSSED WITH GOV MEAD DURING BIENNIAL BUDGET. AT HIS RECOMMENDATION DEFERRED IT UNTIL THE SUPPLEMENTAL. ONE TIME REQUEST. BEBOUT: RATIONALE MAKES SENSE. HOW DO YOU GET TO 588,000? I CAN DESIGN A WEBSITE FOR A NEW BUSINESS FOR NOT VERY MUCH. I DO NOT SEE THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE AMOUNT SHOBER: IT IS THE DEPTH AND SIZE OF THE CONTENT. THOUSANDS OF PAGES IN OUR WEBSITE. DEPTH OF MAPPING. 455,000 FOR DESIGN COMPONENT, APPROX 30,000 FOR EACH OF OTHER COMPONENTS. COST IS NOT OUT OF LINE. OCIS OFFICE LOOKS AT PROJECT. BEBOUT: WHAT IF YOU SPEND HALF OF THAT MONEY OR YOU ARE GIVEN MORE MONEY? SHOBER: WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND THE FUNDS ELSEWHERE. THAT IS HOW CRITICAL IT IS. IT IS A MUST HAVE FOR TOURISM MARKETING. INCREMENTAL RETURN OF THE ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN. 29 m ON SALES TAX LAST YEAR. ESQUIBEL: 7 AT DEPT WORKING ON WEB DESIGN ETC SHOBER: 7 IN BRAND DEPT. ALL HAVE AREAS OF SPECIALITY. WE CROSS TRAIN BECAUSE WE ARE A SMALL TEAM. ESQUIBEL: WHY CAN’T THOSE PEOPLE BE DOING THIS FOR YOU? SHOBER: HIGHLY SPECIALIZED TECHNOLOGY, WE DO NOT HAVE THE SKILL SET WITHIN ORU OFFICE NOR A WISE INVESTMENT TO TRAIN SOMEONE FOR THAT. HARSHMAN: WEBSITE, CLICK CASPER, GO TO BAND B. ARE PEOPLE PAYING TO BE ON WEBSITE> SHOBER: LISTING IS FOR FREE, PAY FOR ENHANCED LISITNG, COOPERATIVE THINGS FOR SEARCH ENGINE MARKETING HARSHMAN: WHAT AMOUNT OF INCOME DO YOU GET FROM THIS? SHOBER: WILL GET NUMBER FOR YOU. ALL IS DONE THROUGH COMPANY WHO SELLS. WE CAN AN AMOUNT AFTER THEY REACH A CERTAIN AMOUNT. HARSHMAN: IS THE REVENUE IN YOUR BUDGET? WE, THE TAXPAYER, ARE ADVERTISING FOR BUSINESSES. SPREAD THE AMOUNT ACROSS THE FOLKS ON THE WEBSITE. THOUGHT? SHOBER: WE HAVE. WE ALLOW SOME ADVERTISING ON OUR SITE AND IT DOES OFFSET THE BUDGET. 20,000 PER YEAR. HAVE NOT GONE TO AN ADVERTISING HEAVY SITE BECAUSE OF ATTENTION OF USER. OUR SITE IS NOT A TRANSACTIONAL SITE..DO NOT TRANSACT BUSINESS ON IT. HARSHMAN: AWESOME ON THE ROME FREE. STUBSON: BREAKDOWN OF SOCIAL MEDIA, LANGUAGE, PLS SEND A ONE PAGE OF THAT. IN NARRATIVE OF BUDGET SESSION, BEGINNING OF WORK SO WILL SEE ADDITIONAL REQUESTS? SHOBER: THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY WILL BUILD THE SITE OUT. WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR ONGOING DEVELOPMENT. STUBSON: THIS WOULD COMPLETE THE BUILD OUT, WOULD NOT SEE AN ADDITIONAL REQUEST FOR THIS. SHOBER: DO NOT ANTICIPATE WE WOULD. 2005 BUILT WEBSITE. AVG 450,000- 600,000 EVERY FOUR YEARS FOR A REBUILD OF THE SITE. STUBSON: WHAT AMOUNT IS IN YOUR STD BUDGET FOR ONGOING? SHOBER: I WILL COME BACK TO YOU. 12/18/2014 2:16:11 PM ESQUIBEL: I DO NOT SEE WHY YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN YOUR OFFICE SPECIALLY TRAINED TO LEARN THE TECHNOLGY TO DO IT. SHOBER: WE COULD BUT WE WOULD NOT HAVE A RESPONSIVE WEBSITE. EX: WAREHOUSE 21 LOOKED AT THE SITE, ALONG WITH OTHERS. SCOPE OF WORK WAS BEYOND WHAT THEY COULD DO AND THIS IS WHAT THEIR FIRM DOES. WE HAVE DONE DUE DILIGENCE. 12/18/2014 2:18:48 PM MEIER: MENTIONED THAT YOU ARE NOT A CONTRACTURAL WEBSITE, MAYBE YOU SHOULD EXPLORE THAT WITH TECHNOLOGY IN MOBILE PAYMENT. SHOBER: EVERY PLACE HAS A BOOK IT NOW BUTTON. WE DO NOT TAKE IN THE MONEY. 12/18/2014 2:20:38 PM BURKHART: IN YOUR 900 SERIES SPENT 790,000 FOR WEBSITE DEVELOPMENT AND MAINTENANCE. WHAT WAS MMGY DOING. SHOBER: THEY ARE CONTRACTED TO DO OUR WEB SEARCH. 472,200 FOR WEBSEARCH WHICH IS MARKETING. 58,500 TO TAKE CARE OF THE SITE. 37500 FOR DASHBOARD,. 229,000 FOR DEVELOPMENT OVER THE COURSE OF TWO YEARS. SOME OF THE MONEY WAS ONE TIME MONEY. ROSS: PEOPLE WORK FROM PHONES NOW. ADVERTISING DOLLARS SPENT ALSO. WHY WOULDN’T YOU USE ADVERTISING DOLLARS FOR THIS? SHOBER: IF YOU WOULD NOT FUND IT, WE WOULD TAKE IT OUT OF EXISTING APPROPRIATIONS. EVERY PENNY NOT SPENT IS POTENTIAL LOSS AGAINST COMPETITIORS. WILL ALLOW ADVERTISING DOLLARS TO DO BETTER IN THEIR INCREMENTAL LIFT. 12/18/2014 2:25:06 PM WASSERBURGER: STOREFRONT FOR WYOMING. IN 2005 WE STARTED A WEBSITE AND NOW WE ARE REPLACING IT WITH THIS ONE. HOW LONG BEFORE THIS ONE IS OBSOLETE? MUST UPDATE ALL THE TIME. SHOBER: 4 YEAR LIFESPAN FOR WEBSITES. WOULD BE 5 YEARS BY THE TIME THIS IS DEPLOYED. TIMING TO CORRELATE WITH ADVERTISING ROLL OUT. 12/18/2014 2:27:00 PM HARSHMAN: PRIORITY 2 – SHOBER: INTERNATIONAL TOURISM DEVELOPMENT 800,000 GROW VISITORS DURING THE SHOULDER SEASONS. OCTOBER IS PRIMARY MONTH FOR CHINESE TO TRAVEL OUTSIDE OF CHINA. ECONOMIC VALUE OF INTERNATIONAL TRAVELER IS ABOUT 40% MORE. SHOBER: OVERLOOK OF THE WORLD. NATIONAL TOURISM OFFICE, REFUNDED FOR NEXT 5 YEARS. BRAND USA. MARKETING INITIATIVE. GOAL OF 100M VISITORS BY 2021. CANADA, MEXICO, ……BRAND USA WILL TARGET MARKETING TO SPECIFIC AUDIENCES. COMPREHENSIVE CAMPAIGN FOR DESTINATION INCLUDE 4 PILLARS, GREAT OUTDOORS, URBAN, AND ….EXPLANATION OF SLIDES IN THE HANDOUT PACKET. SHOBER: WE ARE ASKING FOR RESEARCH INTO 8 MARKETS TO SEE IF THE WYOMING PRODUCT WOULD WORK WELL IN THAT MARKET. ACTUALLY IT IS 6 MARKETS. BRAND USA. ANYTHING OVER 50 IS A STRONG FACTOR. PURCHASE RESEARCH INTO EMERGIND MKTS. SHOBER: SECOND COMPONENT IS IN LANGUAGE. ONE TIME PAYMENT. WANT MODEST PRINT TO HAND OUT AT SHOWS AND IN WYOMING BUT PREDOMINATELY ON WEBSITE. 8 LANGUAGES, ENGLISH SPANISH ,JAPANESE, GERMAN CHINESE…. GREEAR: IS IT ON THE CURRENT WEBSITE OR IS IT IF WE BUILD OUT? SHOBER: WE DO NOT HAVE IT ON OUR CURRENT WEBSITE. GREEAR: SO IF WE DO THE WHOLE NEW PLATFORM, IS THAT A COMPONENT IN THAT. WHY DO WE NEED TO DO THIS NOW. SHOBER: WEBSITE IS TO HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO DO THE BUILD OUTS… ONE GIVES CAPABILITY TO SERVE THEM UP THROUGH THE WEBSITE, THE OTHER PROVIDES IT. BUYING URLS. GREEAR: TRIP TO TAWIAN. PRIORITIZE SHOBER: IF WE DO NOT DO ANYTHING WITH THE WEBSITE, WE COULD NOT PUT THIS ON. WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD THE COMPONENT OURSELF. TECHNOLOGY SIDE AND CONTENT DEVELOPMENT. THIS COULD HAPPEN IN A PRINT APPLICATION BUT NOT DIGITALLY. GREEAR: WEBSITE IS NOT DEVELOPED WITH FORESIGHT TO HAVE THIS? SHOBER: DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH ..TO BUILD IT IN. AND EXPENSIVE. 12/18/2014 2:43:22 PM HARSHMAN: SPENT A LOT ON INTERNATIONAL OFFICES. HOW DOES THIS TIE IN? SHOBER: NEED INTEGRATED MARKETING. TRADES. IN DEVELOPING MKTS, YOU WANT SOMEONE ON THE GROUND PUSHING YOUR PRODUCT. A LOT OF THIS IS FOR HERE WHEN PEOPLE ARE ON THE GROUND. HARSHMAN: WON’T SUPPLANT THE FOREIGN OFFICES? SHOBER: IT WILL NOT. DOCKSTADER: SHOULDER SEASON. AER WE SET UP TO HANDLE THE BUSINESS SHOBER: CHICKEN AND EGG, SUPPLY WILL FOLLOW DEMAND. HARSHMAN: NO MARK UP UNTIL NEW YEAR WITH THE NEW COMMITTEE. WRITTEN ON PIECES AND HOW IT FLOWS. BEBOUT: PERKINS PERKINS: 620,000 IN BUDGET LAST YEAR WITH FOOTNOTE TO BE DISTRIBUTED WITH RODEOS. HAVE TO HAVE CORRECTION TO DO THAT. HAVE TO FIX THAT. SHOBER: CLEAN UP OF THE LANGUAGE. COLLEGE RODEO ARE APPRECIATIVE OF THIS LEGISLATION. TWO ONGOING PIECES IS TO BUILD OUT THE DIGITAL CAMPAIGN IN CANADA, WOULD LIKE TO ENHANCE THAT. OTHER PIECE IS TAWAIN. 35000 TO OPEN A TRADE OFFICE, ADMITTED TO VISA TRADE PROGRAM, AFFLUENT MKT WITH APPETITE FOR OUR PRODUCT, OF THE 800,000. 235,000 IS A REQUEST FOR ON-GOING FUNDS FOR CANADA AND TAWAIN. HARSHMAN: APPRECIATE YOUR WORK. GROWTH OF AGENCY AND BOARD. WE WILL DO MINER’S HOSPITAL BEFORE BUSINESS COUNCIL. 12/18/2014 2:51:02 PM 014 MINER’S HOSPITAL BOARD YOUNG: $107,000 TO MAKE AWEC 1 FULL TIME AND 2 PART TIME POSITIONS INTO 1 FULL TIME AND 2 PART TIME POSITIONS WITH POTENTIAL BENEFITS. 085 WYOMING BUSINESS COUNCIL REESE: CONTRACTS NEGOTIATED AFTER START OF FISCAL YEAR, AND GERN INDICATED THAT COSTS HAD GONE UP WITH UW. $48,000 TO AUGMENT SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTER, $40,900 FOR MFG. CENTER, $17,400 TO PROCUREMENT CENTER, $11,100 TO RESEARCH, $31,000 TO BUSINESS CENTER, $6,600. ALL UW PROGRAMS. ROSS: ANNUAL CONTRACT? REESE: ANNUAL CONTRACTS, WITH THESE AMOUNTS ROLLING INTO STANDARD BUDGET. BEBOUT: $2.2 MILLION TO QUARY, $2 MILLION TO JACKSON AIRPORT, THAYNE MEDICAL CENTER, WORKFORCE TRAINING FACILITY….LARGE AMOUNTS AND WHY? REESE: GRANTS TO CITIES, COUNTIES JPB AND BUSINESSES. 015 ATTORNEY GENERAL’S OFFICE MICHAEL: PAGE 5, FOOTNOTES, ROLLING MONEY FORWARD INTO COLORADO RIVER COMPACT AND YELLOWSTONE RIVER COMPACT LITIGATIONS $535,000 FOR PRACTICAL SKILLS OUTBUILDING AT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ACADEMY. FUND TO RECEIVE FUNDS FROM BEING FORFEITED BY DRUG RELATED CRIMES FOR LIMITED PURPOSES, IE LAW ENFORCEMENT. $1.4 BALANCE, $535,000 BE USED FOR OUTBUILDING FROM FORFEITURE FUND. SKILLS TRAINING MOVING TO 60% OF TOTAL TRAINING BY CADETS. PRIOR, HELP FROM LOCAL HOTELS OR BUSINESSES. BUILDING IS A FABRICATED ONE WITH PARTITIONS, PRACTICAL TRAINING IN ONE BUILDING. HARRIS: DESIGN AFTER OREGON STATE PRACTICAL SKILLS ACADEMY. AVAILABILITY OF STATE FAIRGROUNDS LIMITED. BEBOUT: STEEL CONSTRUCTION? HARRIS: STEEL WITH TIN SHELL MICHAEL: YELLOWSTONE COMPACT LITIGATION, TRIAL FINISHED ALMOST ONE YEAR AGO. DRAFT REPORTS FROM SPECIAL MASTER HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND DUE SOON. $186,000 REMAINING, $100,000 SPECIAL MASTER INVOICE. WIND RIVER RESERVATION BOUNDARIES. EPA CONCEPT TRIBES GRANT AND CEDE ALL LAND EXCEPT LANDS SOUTH OF BIG RIVER TO US GOVERNMENT. HARSHMAN: COAL PORTS? MICHAEL: HEARING IN DECEMBER 2015. BURNS: WOLF? MICHAEL: FILED APPEAL ON DECISION TO RELIST. HARSHMAN: WILD HORSES? MICHAEL: HAD ROUNDUP. LEGISLATION ON FEDERAL LEVEL GIVING THE STATE SOME LEEWAY. LEGISLATIVE INTENT – KEEPING TRACK OF COMMITTEE REPORTS HARSHMAN: 900 SERIES. 12/18/2014 4:27:54 PM 12/18/2014 4:37:01 PM SESSION RESUMES DEPT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY – TODD PARFIT PARFIT: INTRODUCTIONS OF ADMINISTRATORS. CHANGES IN ADMINSITRATION. NANCY NUTTBROCK IS LEAVING THE AGENCY. PARFIT: POWER POINT HANDOUT. PAGE 4 OF BUDGET, OTHER ITEM IS FOR IT WORK. COORDINATION WITH CIO AND ETS OFFICE. TOTAL BUDGET REQUEST IS 1.3 M REPLACEMENT AIR QUALITY DIVISION, NEW FUND REQUEST IS FOR THE IT PROJECT. PARFIT: HNADOUT PAGE 3 – PAGE 8 OF BUDGET THIS IS PRIORITY #1. HELIUM..REMEDIATION. OFFICE OF SURFACE MINES DISCUSSION, INFORMED US AFTER THE SESSION LAST YEAR THAT WE WOULD NOT RECEIVE FUNDS; ENTITLED ONLY TO THE IN LIEU OF FUNDS. WATER COMMISSION AND GILLETE PIPELINE PROJECT. WE SENT LETTERS TO SEC. JEWEL THAT THE 21.2 M SHOULD BE RETURNED TO THE STATE, TO NO AVAIL. THE 3.1 EARMARKED FOR AIR QUALITY DIVISION HAS DROPPED TO 1.3 BECAUSE OF TIMING DISTRIBUTION, WOULD NOT HAVE FEDERAL FUNDS IN PLACE. WE SHIFTED 1.8 M FROM AML MONEY (FED FUNDS) RESIDED IN SOLID AND HAZARDOUS WASTE BUDGET, EARMARKED FOR ORPHAN SITE, SHIFTED THE 1.8 M OVER TO AIR QUALITY TO CARRY US OVER THROUGH THE FIRST BIENNIUM. WE DID NOT ASK FOR THE 1.8 m TO REPLACE THE FUNDS IN THIS REQUEST. WE WILL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION DURING THE FULL BIENNIUM REQUEST. BEBOUT: WAS THAT B-11? UZZELL: YOU GAVE US AN APPROPRIATION FOR THE FULL 1.8 M. WE JUST NOTIFIED THE AML PROGRAM THAT WE WERE GOING TO USE THAT MONEY FOR THIS INSTEAD OF THE OTHER. YOU HAD ALREADY GIVEN US THIS APPROPRIATION. PARFIT: HARSHMAN: WHERE IS MOST OF AIR QUALITY MONITORING OCCURRING? PARFIT: RELATED TO THE AIR QUALITY MONITORING. GREEN RIVER BASIS FOR OZONE. IT IS THROUGHOUT THE STATE. LARAMIE AND CONVERSE COUNTY BECAUSE OF OIL AND GAS DEVELOPMENT IN THOSE COUNTIES. BEBOUT: WITH EPA COMING OUT ON TAKING THE LEVELS DOWN, WILL WE AS A STATE SEE A LOT MORE EXPENSE FOR AIR QUALITY MONITORING STATIONS? PARFIT: EPA CAME OUT WITH A PROOSED RULE ON DEC 1ST TO MODIFY THE EXISTING OZONE REGULATION STD. SEEKING COMMENT ON CHANGE. READ IS BETWEEN 65 AND 70. EPA IS LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL MONITORING MEANING YEAR ROUND. OZONE IS ONLY ONE OF THE SIX STDS. NEW RULES ON THE ONE HOUR SO2 – SULFUR DIOXIDE. LOOKING AT MORE DESIGNATIONS THROUGH MODELING RATHER THAN MONITORING. BETTER TO HAVE REAL TIME DATA. BEBOUT: DO WE HAVE RECOURSE AGAINST THAT KIND OF DATA? PARFIT: OUR COMMENTS HAVE BEEN THAT REAL TIME DATA IS A BETTER WAY TO GO. HARSHMAN: PARFIT: PAGE 4 OF THE HANDOUT WHICH CORRESPONDS WITH PAGE 8 OF THE BUDGET – CONTINUATION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE AIR QUALITY DATA. TAKE IT TOWARDS COMPLETION. REQUEST LAST YEAR IN FOOTNOTE OF THE BUDGET BILL, AGENCY REPORT ON WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BECOME PAPERLESS. LSO FEEDBACK, MADE ADJUSTMENTS. 66 m IN 20 YEARS FROM EPA. 12.5m IN 3 TO 5 YEARS. 5.5 m IN THE NEXT 3-5 YEARS. FIRST PROCESS WE ARE AUTOMATING. CARRYOVER . 750,000 FROM PAST FUNDING TO COMPLETE IT PROJECT. YELLOW IS PROJECTS THAT WE EXPECT TO COME BACK AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. 12/18/2014 4:54:46 PM BEBOUT: PRICE TAG IN THE REPORT OF 12.6 m. HOW FAR DOES THAT GET US TOWARDS THE 55? PARFIT: THAT REPORT HAS BEEN MODIFIED TO REFLECT THE LOWER NUMBER. THAT REFLECTS PAGE 5 OF THE HANDOUT. THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS WE THINK WE CAN GET DONE IN THE NEXT 3 – 5 YEARS. OTHER PROJECTS NOT OF THE SAME LEVEL PRIORITY. SOME SUCCESS IN FINALIZEING SOME OF OUR PROJECTS. EX – REDOING WEBSITE. PARFIT: IT IS PRIORITY TWO, NOT THREE. IT IS A TYPO HARSHMAN: ANY QUESTIONS. BEBOUT: FULL DISCLOSURE I WORK FOR A COMPANY, AML BUSINESS. MITIGATION BUSINESS. PERKINS: MEETING WITH LOCAL CONSERVATION DISTRICT IN CASPER. IS THERE A PROCESS THAT DEQ CAN HELP US DO TO GET THE PLATTE DELISTED? BELOW SALINATION RATES FOR 5 OR 6 YEARS. PARFIT: I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE SPECIFICS BUT UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. IT CAN BE LISTED AS IMPAIRED ON LIST. I WILL HAVE KEVIN FREDERICK GIVE DETAIL. PROCESS TO DELIST. IT IS EASIER TO LIST STREAM THAN TO DELIST IT. HARSHMAN: THANK YOU.